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Poll of initial MMR orders, still in?


By John_in_NC

5 years ago



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“I ordered in the initial rush, and I am..”

  • Out 144 votes
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  • Still in 146 votes
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#251 5 years ago

An amp is a board, but sure... "just an amp". Our point is... there's a lot more than just a Beaglebone in there. And the Beaglebone is the only off the shelf part. Everything else is a new, unproven platform, with SMD components that make repair difficult for the average pin-hack.

It's irresponsible to post a picture of the Beaglebone and claim that it's the only board in there. If you want to talk about a more proven system that can also use a Beaglebone, try a P-ROC.

#252 5 years ago
Quoted from pezpunk:

it is absurd to me that people are acting like MMR's platform isn't a huge upgrade over the original. the WPC / WPC95 is far from flawless even by 1990s standards. burnt connectors, blown fuses, bad transistors or whatever happened all the time. the only advantage the original setup has is that the problems are well known and documented. that beaglebone setup in the backbox will have none of those issues -- virtualized hardware doesnt overheat. that beaglebone will run realiably for decades -- it is proven hardware, not something PPS invented. it's far more reliable tech than that wall of boards ever were, and will be far simpler and far cheaper to replace (i believe it retails for $45) even if it does have a problem.

I've never seen burnt connectors on any WPC era or later CPU board which is what the Beaglebone is replacing.

Like Odin said, you still have to drive the solenoids and leds (which do require less power than the original lamps). For power dissipation, components being more spread out is better, so I think the way the new system uses multiple power driver boards is a good thing.

The Beaglebone and power driver boards might not be too expensive to replace but I hope their LED lighting system is as robust as they expect because if an led goes out on the big board I expect that will be expensive to replace and a lot more work than replacing a bulb.

Still, the new electronics should be more reliable than the 20 year old originals. And, if some design flaws are discovered once the games are out, wouldn't you expect PPS/Chicago Gaming to take care of them?

#253 5 years ago

i have no doubt there will be issues. it's a brand new platform. but i also believe it's potentially a fundamentally superior design to the old WPC stuff in terms of maintenence, cost, and reliability. i guess we'll find out soon enough where the gremlins are.

#254 5 years ago

Superior ONLY when they work out the bugs. The way things are going, who really knows if PPS will be around long term? The market is soft and I don't know anyone willing to pay $8K for an AFM or MB. If that's the case, where are the replacement boards going to come from when problems arise?

At this point I'd rather have an original. And prices are pretty good on them unlike a year or two ago.

#255 5 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

This is where you are WRONG. The only part this replaces is the MPU. A fairly trouble free part unless the batteries leak. And that has already been resolved in a number of ways. It is about the size of a postage envelope.

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The beagle board replaces the cpu, dmd and sound boards so 3.

#256 5 years ago
Quoted from chessiv:

The beagle board replaces the cpu, dmd and sound boards so 3.

True. It looks like the beaglebone has also been installed on a WPC board. So if they wanted to, they could have gone that route. The real question is the durability and replacement cost of the driver and power boards at this point. Like I said, I like mine in the backbox to reduce heat under the playfield.

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#257 5 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

True. It looks like the beaglebone has also been installed on a WPC board. So if they wanted to, they could have gone that route. The real question is the durability of the driver and power boards at this point. Like I said, I like mine in the backbox to reduce heat under the playfield.
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I also like the boards in the back box so that they are better isolated from the constant vibration of the flippers and other solenoids firing. That can't be good for the solder joints. I think the rumble of the shaker is gentle compared to the sharp thwack of the flippers and pop bumbers. Maybe they have rubber grommets or something where the boards mount to the playfield.

#258 5 years ago
Quoted from Jvspin:

I also like the boards in the back box so that they are better isolated from the constant vibration of the flippers and other solenoids firing. That can't be good for the solder joints. I think the rumble of the shaker is gentle compared to the sharp thwack of the flippers and pop bumbers. Maybe they have rubber grommets or something where the boards mount to the playfield.

They are mounted around the trolls, that make a lot of clunking as they go up and down. Many of the solder joints I have to fix are on the existing light boards mounted under playfield.

#259 5 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

True. It looks like the beaglebone has also been installed on a WPC board. So if they wanted to, they could have gone that route. The real question is the durability and replacement cost of the driver and power boards at this point. Like I said, I like mine in the backbox to reduce heat under the playfield.

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I'd rather have electronics in the backbox too. That's the one thing I didn't like about pinball 2000 is the driver board at the bottom. I don't think they had much choice given the monitor and computer in the head. Time will prove if the new design is better or not. Probably much less expensive than the 4 boards (or 5?) in the old mm.

#260 5 years ago
Quoted from chessiv:

Time will prove if the new design is better or not.

The original MM was a workhorse on route. Some are still out there. It is hard to think that many of the new version will have to put up with the kind of stress that those dealt with. No one except maybe CG really knows how tough the new boards will be, but I'm sure they were designed to suit the purpose.

#261 5 years ago

Out on mine.

The next day when they announced that they were making a standard edition, I realized that the game would always be available, and there was no need to pre-order.

It was evident that I could wait two years, and if the game was great, I'd still be able to get it at the same cost, or below. (In the worst case, slightly above...but I wouldn't have to tie up my money for a year or more).

Announcing the Standard removed the necessity to get in early.

Pete

#262 5 years ago

Well I finally made the decision to abandon my MMRLE spot and it's all whysnow's fault! After he told me about Wooly and gave me this link

http://riotpinball.com/node/6

I couldn't hold out for MMR anymore with all these cool new pins coming out. I think I'm getting me some Wooly

#263 5 years ago
Quoted from pmWolf:

Out on mine.
The next day when they announced that they were making a standard edition, I realized that the game would always be available, and there was no need to pre-order.
It was evident that I could wait two years, and if the game was great, I'd still be able to get it at the same cost, or below. (In the worst case, slightly above...but I wouldn't have to tie up my money for a year or more).
Announcing the Standard removed the necessity to get in early.
Pete

Smart approach. If there was something I wanted more that was already available I would have done the same thing for the same reasons.

#264 5 years ago
Quoted from QuarterGrabber:

Well I finally made the decision to abandon my MMRLE spot and it's all whysnow's fault! After he told me about Wooly and gave me this link
http://riotpinball.com/node/6
I couldn't hold out for MMR anymore with all these cool new pins coming out. I think I'm getting me some Wooly

Great stuff!!!

Glad you are pushing pinball forward and in for WOOLY. Now you need to find someone else to get in also

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