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Poll: Least favorite cost-saving measure in pinball


By westofrome

11 months ago



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    “Least favorite cost-saving measure in pinball”

    • Fake knocker 72 votes
      23%
    • Virtual kickback 16 votes
      5%
    • Mono-targets 53 votes
      17%
    • Subway removal 84 votes
      27%
    • Other 18 votes
      6%
    • Snaps lockdown 9 votes
      3%
    • On/Off Switch in Head 55 votes
      18%

    (307 votes)

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    #1 11 months ago

    If you could reverse just one cost-saving pinball trend, which would it be?

    Leaving out support pegs as they have been vanquished. I believe poor cabinet corner brackets have been reversed as well?

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    #2 11 months ago

    Stern

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    #3 11 months ago

    SMT node boards.

    #4 11 months ago

    DAMMIT! Beat me by 3 minutes! Bastard!

    #6 11 months ago

    Snaps for lockdown bar
    Screws for securing backbox
    On/Off switch moved to the backbox
    Microfine wire harnesses
    Virtual Monkeys
    Wood screws instead of bolts and tnuts
    Zero innovation on hiding the wiring on playfields
    Spotlights
    Using plastic substrates instead of 3d sculpts(AC/DC cannon for example)
    Tiny lcd screens
    Topics limiting the response to a single item

    #7 11 months ago

    Buying a Pro.

    #8 11 months ago
    Quoted from fnosm:

    Topics limiting the response to a single item

    #9 11 months ago

    Added options for lockdown snaps and on/off switch in the head.

    #10 11 months ago

    Plastic aprons.

    #11 11 months ago

    Interesting response so far - I suppose it makes sense that the disappearing subway would be in the lead, as it has had the greatest impact on gameplay and playfield design/depth/variation.

    #12 11 months ago

    All plastic ball returns. A combo of plastic turns and wireforms like MM/MMR is the best IMHO.

    #13 11 months ago

    Virtual ball locks.

    #14 11 months ago

    More of a preference thing than a cost-saving trend (as both have existed for a long time, and both continue to exist), but non-physical ball-locks.

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    #15 11 months ago

    No one else HATES the on/off switch moved to the head?!

    #16 11 months ago

    Snaps for lockdown bar I can't stand them. Also don't like node boards, removal of subways, and physical ball locks. Also not a fan of the plastic aprons.

    #17 11 months ago
    Quoted from Tuna_Delight:

    No one else HATES the on/off switch moved to the head?!

    I definitely do, but I don't know that I hate it more than virtual locks lol

    #18 11 months ago

    If I allowed multiple picks everyone would pick pretty much everything, right?

    #19 11 months ago

    Leaving out the inside cab corner brackets.

    #20 11 months ago
    Quoted from KozMckPinball:

    Leaving out the inside cab corner brackets.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but decent brackets are back in there, right?

    #21 11 months ago

    Cheap ass playfield supports

    #22 11 months ago
    Quoted from fnosm:

    Cheap ass playfield supports

    This one does suck. Good thing they added it back in for all models and games since IMDN.

    #23 11 months ago
    Quoted from Eskaybee:

    This one does suck. Good thing they added it back in for all models and games since IMDN.

    People hated them and they changed back. Change is possible!

    #24 11 months ago
    Quoted from westofrome:

    If I allowed multiple picks everyone would pick pretty much everything, right?

    AKA Stern.

    #25 11 months ago

    Can we just combine this with all the Stern Club threads?

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    #26 11 months ago

    Lockdown snaps are an improvement imo

    #27 11 months ago
    Quoted from westofrome:

    Correct me if I'm wrong but decent brackets are back in there, right?

    On Sterns now, yes, although I cannot speak for all of the new machines..

    #28 11 months ago
    Quoted from zacaj:

    Lockdown snaps are an improvement imo

    Kinda agree with this one.

    #29 11 months ago

    The mono speakers in some Sega games are annoying.

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    #30 11 months ago

    The virtual elimination of drop targets

    #31 11 months ago

    Though completely aesthetic I also hate, H-A-T-E, these paper thin translites in place of printed backglasses, especially with crazy detailed art when ripples are present.

    Thinking GB may be the worst offender. That BG is so darn busy, but a few waves in the paper can make it look like a poster hung loosely on a kids wall.

    #32 11 months ago
    Quoted from Coolpinballdino:

    Snaps for lockdown bar I can't stand them. Also don't like nose boards removal of subways and physical ball locks.also not a fan of the plastic aprons.

    I have to differ with you on this one. I actually like the snaps better than the Williams style lock bar with the lever - they can be a pita.

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    #33 11 months ago

    That horrid "fake knocker" sound is an abomination. Especially having come from owning a TAF where the knocker was integrated so awesomely in a mode. I seriously thought machines were breaking the first few times I heard that noise on location. Could they have come up with a worse noise if they tried?

    #34 11 months ago
    Quoted from fnosm:

    Snaps for lockdown bar
    Screws for securing backbox
    On/Off switch moved to the backbox
    Microfine wire harnesses
    Virtual Monkeys
    Wood screws instead of bolts and tnuts
    Zero innovation on hiding the wiring on playfields
    Spotlights
    Using plastic substrates instead of 3d sculpts(AC/DC cannon for example)
    Tiny lcd screens
    Topics limiting the response to a single item

    Lockdown bar latches are more secure and firm.

    Screws for backbox also more secure and safer.

    I agree the power button is a bit of a pain in the ass.

    Stern thrives on their games being easy to maintain for pinball. So with that, there’s sacrifice. Before I had kids, I didn’t mind working on used older games that I had. Nowadays, I welcome their design innovations to keep me playing pinball longer rather than being under the hood tweaking. So by those standards, some things get sacrificed. But for a couple thousand more dollars we can buy a JJP game and be locked into doing maintenance + tweaking every other night. Good thing we have options. And yes, I was kidding a little, I love JJP games, I just like playing them more than tweaking them

    #35 11 months ago

    I voted for the removal of subways from games, but I also feel like that ones is the most understandable since there is the cost of the plastic, switches, VUK, chutes, etc.

    #36 11 months ago

    No manual or schematics included...

    #37 11 months ago

    The knocker seems like the lowest-hanging fruit in terms of issues/failure rate (low), cost (moderate) and opinion (everyone hates it, many hate it more than ANYTHING ELSE). At least, I hope they consider adding a knocker to the LE or Prem/LE options as a differentiator.

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    #38 11 months ago
    Quoted from iloveplywood:

    That horrid "fake knocker" sound is an abomination. Especially having come from owning a TAF where the knocker was integrated so awesomely in a mode. I seriously thought machines were breaking the first few times I heard that noise on location. Could they have come up with a worse noise if they tried?

    I really don't understand why Stern does not use a better sound for the fake knocker. I mean you could produce a callout or play a recorded sound of a real knocker. You could even customize the sound depending on theme for each game. Instead you have a god awful screech sound that anyone that does not know what it is turns in horror wondering what just died.

    #39 11 months ago

    Particle board

    #40 11 months ago

    It would be interesting to see the manufacturers true cost of each of the listed items. I imagine it would make you sick given what we are paying.

    That being said, I'm going mono-targets for the "win" for me. So. Damned. Awful.

    #41 11 months ago
    Quoted from fnosm:

    Virtual Monkeys

    band name i call it.

    #42 11 months ago
    Quoted from pinlawyer:

    The virtual elimination of drop targets

    The "mono target" is complete garbage.

    Stern's next cost saving measure: One Gigantic Pop Bumper! (instead of three) to go with the bull**** "mono target".
    ......And then one slingshot ......and then one flipper. Lol.

    #43 11 months ago
    Quoted from kklank:

    The "mono target" is complete garbage.
    Stern's next cost saving measure: One Gigantic Pop Bumper! (instead of three) to go with the bull**** "mono target".
    ......And then one slingshot ......and then one flipper. Lol.

    ......and then one flipper button relocated to the front of the coin door.
    The name of Stern's new release will be called "Dickslapper". Lol.

    #44 11 months ago

    How about a Magna Save where you have almost zero chance of using because the button is on the lockbar about 50 feet from your hand. You've got less than 1 second to decide to use it. I saw GOOD players missing it all night last night.

    #45 11 months ago

    Those partitioned DMDs in little 64 (?) square blocks instead of one smooth DMD. Yes, I can tell...

    #46 11 months ago
    Quoted from Atari_Daze:

    Fiberboard cabinets

    Seriously, Sterns new cabinets (I'm a Stern fanboy) scare the piss out of me when it comes to nudging and moving the pins around. Paranoid I'm going to see to a front corner split.

    #47 11 months ago

    Cost cutting on cabinet materials (using cheaper wood), placing power button in head of cabinet, zero or minimal cabinet corner support brackets. There's no excuse for these items at today's prices and Stern does all 3.

    For JJP it's no longer offering a high quality powder coat on their LE games. You now have to pay extra for a CE to get the same type of powder coat quality offered on WOZ ECLE and Hobbit LE. BS.

    The only cost cutting measure I have liked is Sterns's new lockdown bar design. The traditional Bally William's lockdown bar mech is just a pain in the ass at times. Securing a lockdown bar should be easy and Sterns new mech does just that.

    #48 11 months ago
    Quoted from PanzerFreak:

    For JJP it's no longer offering a high quality power coat on their LE games. You now have to pay extra for a CE to get the same type of power coat quality offered on WOZ ECLE and Hobbit LE. BS.

    I think it's called "powdercoat."

    I'm a little surprised JJP Doesn't use lollopop rails considering how fragile the cab decals are. Even Stern springs for those!!

    #49 11 months ago

    Poor quality plywood for playfields.

    Leads to lots of discussions on dimpling.

    #50 11 months ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    I think it's called "powdercoat."
    I'm a little surprised JJP Doesn't use lollopop rails considering how fragile the cab decals are. Even Stern springs for those!!

    Lol, damn auto correct. Power coat! New marketing term.

    Yeah agree, that would be nice and should come standard.

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