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POLL: Does anyone ever use an escrow service to buy/sell?

By jv2_pinball

7 months ago


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    “When buying out of state, do you pay in full and completely trust the seller, or use some method of buyer protection?”

    • I vet the seller to the best of my ability and if no red flags I will send payment in full and trust they send the game. 8 votes
      44%
    • I always use an escrow service or other neutral 3rd party to broker out of state transactions. 3 votes
      17%
    • I send a portion of the payment at time of agreement on a deal, and the rest when I receive the machine. 0 votes
    • Other (please elaborate in a post below what works for you) 7 votes
      39%

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    #1 7 months ago

    Hi folks,

    I've only transacted locally for pinball machines, cash on the glass, in the short time I've been in the hobby.

    I recently offered a seller to use Escrow.com to broker an out of state pinball transaction, but the seller was not open to it. They tell me that nobody in the Pinside community would ship a game without receiving payment in full first. This seems odd to me in this day and age with all the scammers out there, and I'm now genuinely curious if that's really the case, or do people use escrow services like Escrow.com often? Or just cash on the glass? With all the scams out there these days, is it really that far fetched for a buyer to want to protect themselves regardless of how legit the seller "seems" and how amazing their Pinside reviews are?

    For those that have made purchases out of state, do you really just send thousands of dollars to people you don't know and blindly trust that you will receive what you've paid for without any assurances or safeguards to protect yourself? Is there another safer alternative to an escrow service that I don't know about?

    Appreciate any discussion on this, thanks!

    #2 7 months ago

    Hi.

    When selling out-of-state or when a buyer is unable to see the game in person, for me it's escrow.com, split the transaction fee, & buyer makes shipping arrangements. Period.

    #3 7 months ago

    Didn’t someone come up with a pinball escrow website? Maybe it died quickly.

    Either way, even if it’s out of state, FaceTime and/or traveling to inspect and pickup for me. Furthest I’ve gone now is about 1000 miles, 15 hour drive. Was too rare to risk shipping at all

    #4 7 months ago

    I paid $1,200 on an em across the country earlier in the year. Pinside seller with a good reputation. Transaction went smoothly. But it wasn’t thousands.

    #5 7 months ago
    Quoted from nplg:

    Hi.
    When selling out-of-state or when a buyer is unable to see the game in person, for me it's escrow.com, split the transaction fee, & buyer makes shipping arrangements. Period.

    Right?! This makes sense to me, but the seller in my case just didn't agree.

    #6 7 months ago

    never, no need to. know who you are dealing with, reputation is everything.

    #7 7 months ago

    No.

    #8 7 months ago

    I bought out of State one time in 25 years. It was a while ago. It was a positive positive experience but I’ll never do it again. I’m looking for a specific game, I have patience to wait until something closer pops up.

    #9 7 months ago

    I would be the seller in reference. Dragdaily12 ( Chris )Yes I wouldn't ship a game before payment clears but definitely have a long term track record on pinside. I have bought traded or sold games with a ton of pinsiders. I personally have used Michelle B 100 plus times. No exaggerating. I gave you Michelle's contact info and she would gladly confirm dozens of games this year alone have came or shipped from me. The more risky situation is a new to pinside (less than a year) asking to go through a 3rd party who I don't know holding funds till a buyer I don't know confirms they got the game.

    #10 7 months ago

    I'm glad to offer as many references as needed. Or simply pm anyone who's left me feedback over the last 10 years. I get it scams happen. Buying games from a individual comes with a risk. The games I sell are accurately described and detailed pictures.

    #11 7 months ago

    https://pinside.com/pinball/community/pinsiders/dragdaily12/feedback

    The majority of pinheads use STI. Call Michelle or shoot her a email. If shes not trustworthy after the games we all have shipped with them, then buy in person I say. Anyone else who needs a game shipped please save her info. Amazing to work with.

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    #12 7 months ago

    In this case I would feel safe with the seller in question but I did have my brother use an escrow service on a non vetted buyer and it went smooth and wouldn't hesitate to do it myself as buyer or seller.

    #13 7 months ago

    Cash on glass or distro for me. Drove 3 hrs each way to buy in person from cointaker (wanted to save shipping fees and didn't mind the drive). I wouldn't be opposed to using a trusted escrow service. I personally wouldn't do a deal just sending that much cash and waiting to ship. Shit happens no matter someones reputation, then you have a mess to fight through. Been burned one too many times. Cash on glass, escrow service, or wait.

    #14 7 months ago

    Never can be too safe?

    #15 7 months ago

    I only deal in person.

    #16 7 months ago

    Sounds complicated. Maybe if it’s a super rare game that I absolutely could not find locally. But in general I will never buy a game long distance that I can’t inspect and pick up in person unless it’s NIB through a distro.

    #17 7 months ago

    Shipping with STI is absolutely hassle free. They literally simplify the whole process. You have similar tracking as any normal package you buy online. When the games at a hub by you they call set up a day and time. You can insure the game for whatever price you feel comfortable with. I guess some people want to go touch feel test games sure as do I. But wait for one to pop up local that might be years down the road to have someone beat you to it sucks. If I had that mindset I would have saved a ton of money tho lol. Merry Christmas guys.

    #18 6 months ago

    dragdaily12

    Quoted from dragdaily12:

    I would be the seller in reference. Dragdaily12 ( Chris )Yes I wouldn't ship a game before payment clears but definitely have a long term track record on pinside. I have bought traded or sold games with a ton of pinsiders. I personally have used Michelle B 100 plus times. No exaggerating. I gave you Michelle's contact info and she would gladly confirm dozens of games this year alone have came or shipped from me. The more risky situation is a new to pinside (less than a year) asking to go through a 3rd party who I don't know holding funds till a buyer I don't know confirms they got the game.

    Since you've come forward, I appreciate your perspective and I get it. I'm new in the hobby. I told you that during our conversations. We've all got to start somewhere. If me being new and wanting to use Escrow.com is suspect to you there's nothing I can do about that. In the end, Escrow.com is a legitimate service that any seller shouldn't have a problem using to offer transaction protections on both sides and ensure both parties are comfortable and protected. If you do your research into that company you will see they are legitimate and much safer than PayPal for example.

    Furthermore, I don't question your legitimacy as a seller, but at the end of the day, I simply wasn't comfortable with sending thousands of dollars to someone I don't know and who seems to be in a rush to close a deal. References from other people I also don't know only go so far for me. You had also told me you would be willing to use an intermediary/escrow service during our first phone conversation, but then changed your mind during our next convo, which was a little odd to me. Hopefully you understand where I'm coming from and I hope you don't take any offense to any of this as none is intended. This has been a learning opportunity for me.

    Nevertheless, to conclude this post and for any other newcomers to pinball that may stumble upon this, based on the feedback I have gathered here and on other Pinball forums, my main takeaway here is that most people choose cash on the glass in person deals instead of buying long distance. Take that as you will.

    I appreciate everyone's feedback here in helping a new hobbyist understand the ins and outs of buying and selling in the pinball world and what to expect.

    Happy Holidays to all!

    #19 6 months ago

    You miss understood in our first call. I would never agree to ship anything without payment. When you order anything online its paid for before it ships. I have alot more trust in this Pinside community than I do online retailers. And a huge track record of being a awesome seller here.

    As far as being in a hurry? I answered all your questions completely. Spoke on the phone talked you through what I knew about the game. Did a video call answered all the questions again. Never rushed or tried to close a deal lol. I said 2 guys you and another had requested quotes that day. Open and honest as always. You said you didn't want to miss out and asked if I would hold a game a few weeks till Christmas. I'm not apposed to Holding pins but I price my games to sell and if multiple people are interested it makes no sense to not let the first one who's ready to take it get it.

    If you aren't comfortable with paying someone who's sold 100s of pinballs first then that's fine. Buy local or get it from driving. I promise you will miss out of one of the best parts of this hobby though. Meeting all the awesome people I have bought and sold many of which I still talk and if in the area grab lunch or stop in to play some pins which has been crazy cool. I never had many close friends as a adult. School work life's changed alot of that. Since this hobby I have met some great people that are basically like a extended family.

    #20 6 months ago

    Also never 1 time have I seen any Pinsider claim they didn't receive a game or mod from another. I definitely look into who I'm dealing with first. Wanting to involve a outside company has never even been asked before. A few guys have asked to place a deposit first. And when Michelle's guys pick up the game the rest that day which is fine.

    2 weeks later
    #21 6 months ago

    Has a funny moment where I misread this thread title and thought for a second that it was asking whether people used escort services to pay for pins. I vote we make escort service funds delivery the new standard!

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