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POLL: CGC Remake #4.

By Zavadoza

5 years ago


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“Which CGC Remake do you want/think will be next? ”

  • Tales of the Arabian Nights 294 votes
    18%
  • Theatre of Magic 221 votes
    13%
  • Big Bang Bar 223 votes
    13%
  • Cactus Canyon 618 votes
    37%
  • White Water 167 votes
    10%
  • Other 135 votes
    8%

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#76 5 years ago
Quoted from snowvictim:

What's all this about the code for CC being incomplete? Would anyone mind bringing me out of the dark?

Williams pulled it from production early to put Pinball 2000 into production, so the CC's that were built went out with incomplete code.

#78 5 years ago
Quoted from greenhorn1:

I wonder if all the people hoping for BBB have actually played it. I don't think it's awful by any means but I certainly wouldn't consider it a great game. I really think its hype is driven by rarity (somewhat similar to CC) rather than being a game people actually want to play....and shell out $6-8k to buy. Or maybe others just like it a lot more than I do.

I've played it, it's awesome. People who own one like to say that it's only good cuz it's rare as they don't wanna see the value tumble. Nah, it was remade once because it's a cool game. It's just as good as any of the late 90's Williams games. Like MB, the "shallow code myth" is just that, a myth. BBB is just super fun, oozing personality, has great art and fun features and toys.

A CGC version would be awesome, as it would be better than the original and much cheaper.

#92 5 years ago
Quoted from Bublehead:

Dont be surprised if the next title isnt TAFrLE, with a VERY (ha ha, yeah, heard that one before) limited run. 1000 machines total. Priced at a $1k above current pricepoint. So classic at $7k, SE at $8K and LE at $9K. Why? Because people will pay 9k for a NIB Addams, especially if it comes blinged to the max like CGC have been doing. And that price point STILL beats a 10K pricetag for a rehabbed or reworked original, or even just a good clean HUO Addams. The market is holding right now for CGC... pinheads crave the ‘90’s Willy DMD era machines and TAF has been holding its value on the resale market. If they can sell 1000 AFMr, they can easily sell another 1000 TAF. My wife would greenlight a TAFrPLE or TAFrDLE or TAFrULE or any other exclusive flavor of Platinum, Diamond, Unobtainium or (as would seem appropriate) TAFrTVE, or as Gomez would say “Ah, Straight to the Vault!!!”

Restored MM was selling for $20k. CGC sold MMr for $8k

Restored AFM & MB were selling for $10-$15k. CGC sold the LE’s for $8k and the other editions CHEAPER.

There are FAR MORE TAF’s in existence than those other games, so it’s doubtful that’s a priority remake...but if they did, why would they raise the price? CGC so far is the anti-Stern. They haven’t raised prices each game. When the games are designed already, their development process has to be SO much cheaper than Stern. They’re probably doing very well selling the games at their current price structure while offering a striking “value” alternative to the competition.

#100 5 years ago
Quoted from Bublehead:

rarehero, you could be right, and may well be right but...
CGC’s rep at Expo was eager- no, let me put it a better way, he got a bit more agitated every time somebody would off hand just dismiss TAF as a viable remake, especially when the conversation was circling around which title would be the next remake. They have their eye on it... whether it is next or not. There are pinheads now who have found money and don't have a lot of time to give to their hobby other than playing pinball. You know there are ops and old farts on here taking those very same rich pinheads to the cleaners as they bottom feed on operator cast offs and rework them into some shiny refreshed turds (not lumping all ops or restorers in this, there are some really sweet remanufactured TAF’s out there)
Put a little time and effort in to polish 25 years of patina off a 25 year old machine and it will play like brand new... for a while. Then the gremlins start chewing on the wiring and all that money they thought they spent to give them a problem free colletors piece turns into even more money keeping it running.
Now they get the chance to buy a copy that is BETTER (in percieved options, maybe not quality, but time will tell if CGC’s quality will hold up) and cheeper than a reworked 25 year old machine. Why wouldnt they want a NIB TAF?
That 20k production number keeps popping up when this is discussed, yet no one knows for sure how many of that original 20k are still viable machines. And no way of knowing either except by price on an existing machine. Anyone seen a TAF project machine go for less than $4000?, because you add $2000 in parts and $2000 in labor and you could still sell it for the $8k you got in it and break even. $9000 and you make a $1000 and $10k you make $2k profit...
So yeah, my opinion is CGC is looking really hard at that market right now because the supply of project machines has fallen off, and people still want TAF in their game rooms and to be honest I bet there are operators that wouldn’t mind a couple of base models to put on route right now...

I’m not saying they won’t do it, I’m taking issue with your encouragement to raise the price. They haven’t done it yet, which is a good sign. When people on Pinside goad companies into selling for even more than the current insane prices, it’s a bizarre move. We’re the customers here - why would we encourage price hikes? Knock it off, yo.

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