I'm gonna guess Cirqus Voltaire.

Each game is getting new core features (like the Large Color display in AFMR) that will be incorporated into future releases, and game #3 will have additional features as well.

What were the new core features in MBr that will be incorporated into future releases? Was there anything noticeable? Or maybe it was just more subtle technology / platform updates.

I'm skeptical of CC being next. Why would they choose something that requires substantial software updates when easier choices are available? I don't even think they've shown they have the ability to do that kind of work. There were a lot of rumors MBr would have code updates, but that didn't happen.

Color display, I believe there was also some minor tweaking done to the light show code (e.g. frank’s Spotlight doesn’t appear to turn on until The table starts to lower)

RGB GI on MBR fancy editions, no?

I just can’t see the logic of CC over anything else on their proposed list of remakes. This just doesn’t make sense to me if they don’t do anything to the code, as changes to code bases on previous remakes has shown them to be minor, cosmetic, and specific and usually don’t alter the OG code base that much except the dots. If we get CC and not some CC+ or any CCC type enhancements, CGC is banking solely on rarity to sell this pin. As a player who has flipped more CC than I like to remember or admit, this machine has never gave me the adrenaline rush like some of it’s contemporary counterparts, i.e. B/W pins of the 90’s or just about any other pin on their remake list. If it is enhanced during CGC’s treatment to be above the ruleset of the current CC code, and is more than just a dot-lift like the first three, I am now interested in #4, but just a dot-lifted CC?, I will pass. Might order one, play it and sell it after I get credit towards the next “numbers matched” remake #5 just to keep my fanboy status up at CGC. I will even pay shipping.

BBB color display , LCD screen Topper could be crazy
With girls dancing!

Word is CV, but time will tell

I'm hoping they sneak their own game in next. Not a remake.

LTG : )

I'm hoping they do both. Remaking all the B/W A titles and start producing their own games.
I'll take a NIB TOM, TAF and SS any day.

Large color display was already in AFMr, so that's not a new one. Minor game-specific tweaks don't seem to fall into new core features that will be carried over into future releases either. But I guess there might be core platform improvements behind it.

That was the one I was wondering about too, couldn't remember if AFMr already had that.

Agreed. Kinda seemed like BS to me. They may have core code changes for themselves in order to maintain the games easier - but thats not player-facing stuff

CC is most likely next and they can get code finished. MB code was compete, update would have been nice but not necessary. Should not be a huge deal just like the home code update for CV.

Was CV even on the list? I can't see how they will fit a larger display under the backglass. That looks like one pain in the butt.

CC just seems like the logical choice since it fits in with MM, AFM and MB as one of the most sought after games. Most people have never had the chance to own one.

HaHa. Update Williams code. That's a big problem.

CV home code was done by Cameron back when. Don't know if he could have done it today.

Williams doesn't like people messing in their sandbox.

LTG : )

Don't get me wrong. I would like to see some Williams games get more code. Like TOM.

We've just never seen it possible. Williams is protective of their code.

LTG : )

Hunch is if CC is done or other game is blessed with new code, it'll be completely from scratch code and the original BW code will be discarded altogether. Expect this to add to cost of product. But in case of CC, for one, would really be worth it.

Rewrite a code in freewpc is a ton of work. It used to be done by skilled people who knows their tools by heart and use graphical soft which are not, I think, even available today.
It was several months job. Also, it was really limited in memory.

For the same work today, from scratch, it should take at least several weeks to mess with the code to get some skills, months to provide something and other months to fix problems and provide update.

If you compare this cost with changing the display and get new dmd animation in 256 x 64, i might be wrong but’s a lot cheaper and stable way to go for customers.

CGC’s business model is to capitalize on existing IP to build a company that can churn out games as fast as Stern. They are using these holy grail titles to build customer loyalty and experience for their workforce. Hopefully they are banking a bunch of money from their lowered overhead on IP assets that they will be able to expand their operation and start producing original machines. Since the catalog of grail shaped games is still pretty high, I don’t expect this business model to change much for now. That being said, CC is a miss in my book without code completion/augmentation. I think a grail shaped original unlicenced title from B/W or BBB is going to be next, and it is unfortunate CC falls into that mold, because of the nonlicensed titles available, it was the least amount of fun imo.

I am still team TAF... but TOM’s backglass is hard to stop looking at for some reason.

BBB would be great: Limited run and it should be a great success.
CC as it is is not deep enough.

Yea cv wld be more difficult , due to differences in cab, speaker panel, backglass and the display wld be tough due to space issues

If they just bring out CC with no completion it won't go well. The machine has to be completed to be a success IMHO. The rumor was that you will be able to play the original code and an enhanced completed version. They need to at least install the saloon doors and ad Bionic Bart. Continued has the BB mode as a series of called shots to load your rifle to shoot BB. It is very cool because those called shots increase in number and complexity. Of course one of the best Continued modes is Cowboys and Aliens! Very challenging with all of the AFM call outs and videos. Aliens popping up to shoot and saucer destruction videos!
This mode would be awesome with the super large display. Unfortunately Continued will not be an option on this one.

Saloon doors were removed in prototype phase because of cost and feel useless by the design team. I doubt it would come back but who knows.
Yes BB was planned but never implemented unfortunatlly.

I've also heard Cirqus Voltaire from some pretty good sources will be the next remake from CGC. I'd be ok with that! It's a beautiful pinball machine.

I’ve enjoyed reading this thread. The real question is when do you all think the next game will be revealed? Side note, I played CC in Las Vegas at the museum and after about 10 games, I had experienced it and moved on. This will not be a keeper in lost collections. Never played the extended code but I can’t imagine it being crazy amounts better. My 2 cents.

That’s a title I might consider too

if they did do a TAF, you think they might put the better locking mechanism for the playfield when pulled out?

I would expect CGC to give us a quality locking mechanism... I have waited 5 solid months (and still waiting on my day 1 ordered non matched MBrLE) for it to be anything short of “perfect”. Now if my MBrLE gets here, and is top quality, and perfect, then, yeah, expect nothing less. Currently, however, the delays on MB have tarnished their delivery expectations in my mind. The quality is there, from the prototypes I have played, but their execution and delivery have been less than stellar. Customer satsfaction is high on their priorities, and they respond to minor technical issues quickly, but you can’t claim to give 100% satisfaction if you can’t get the machines out the door. I was “promised”, “assured”, or “generaly made to think” that my machine would be delivered, on the outside, by January and yet March marches on... My apologies for letting my displeasure seep into this thread, but I went with CGC and MBrLE because I thought they had a good record of delivering machines now that they had 2 under their belt. Obviously three’s a charm did not apply with Monster Bash.

If they do CV, (to me) that means they had major issues with the coding of CC. Just Sayin

CV poses a challenge given the unique placement of DMD. They would have to relocate it to the backbox to have a larger screen on a remake.

No where to move it to tho bc of the backbox design... i don't believe cv will be remade ... and if it is it will be years from now. To many eaiser titles to do first

Agree, but I’d love access to new neon tubes.
Then again, that feature would probably be changed as well.

I’d likely be in on a CV, TOM, or TOTAN. CC only if they finish / enhance the code. I’m also really interested in an original title, as long as it has plenty Willams/Bally magic, exciting callouts, interesting toys, appealing/vibrant art package.

Did WB have designs in progress during/after CC that are available to PPS/CGC that have never been revealed? That would be a nice start, an original title with some of that WB DNA.

Could CGC do a standard CC and wink-wink leave room for the owner to install CCC? I don’t know what that would entail, but certainly the updated ROM could be placed on the sd card.

Nope CCC is a pc based program

This one is not a secret, but would be high on my list:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/theres-one-more-wizard-blocks

I like the western theme so CC for me. If they do nothing to the code, I would balk. TOAN or IJ if they are on the list.

If it’s really going to be CV I’m in trouble. CV is a must have for me but no space for an additional pin. I hope they make CC next leaving me some time to figure out the space problem...

CV, TOM or TAF would make me open my wallet. I've owned them all in the past and loved them and I would look forward to what CGC could do with remakes of them all (especially the sound on TAF).

CC, TOTAN or BBB would be a big "Meh" for me. I've played those machines quite a bit and they just don't do it for me. YMMV.

So, when do you think we hear an announcement? TPF ?

So with the crazy rumors, should we add Alien to the poll? I’d buy a nib alien from cgc.

The recent rash of TOM for sale might be a sign....!

I'm hoping for TBL

Or possibly CFTBL? Game is very simply made (similar to AFM) from a mechanical standpoint with not much going on. They have the universal monsters license(MBr)-and the game wasn’t massively produced. Also every one I’ve seen seems to be going for 5-6k+ with cab wear and play field wear among other issues(no thanks).. Although I’d buy one new at 5-6k!

I understand game #4 will be an original theme.

You “understand”? This confuses me- Did someone like, give you hand gestures, or an eye roll, or pantomimed something you had to try and translate into a meaningful thought, or was it more a “nod’s as good as a wink to a blind man, eh?” moment?

I am pulling you leg, a little, because I think you might be actually onto something that I felt recently talking with Ryan from CGC too. The vibe I was picking up was a “winter is coming and they cant wait to tell us” enthusiam when I said I hoped the next title from them was not CCr but an original title.

So, please, with sugar on top, spill your “understanding” guts already! We want the dead body (or bodies) of your source or it never happened.

This was stated on a podcast that I had listened to 2 or 3 weeks ago. I believe I had even read this from a Pinball Magazine email update, if my memory has not been infected with battery damage.

This still does not mean there will not be a remake #4, just will not be game #4.

lol Thank you for clearing that up. I think.

Any new news? It’s been silent for 48 days...

Remakes are better than originals. I will be getting a MBr soon.

Vote for TAF - guaranteed sell out. I would gladly pony up money to lock a spot. Yes, I know how many were made but people aren't flipping this game often and if they do it's an over priced hammered mess or an above average player also over priced.
Making CC - yawnfest
BBB - all novelty no real substance
CV - cool game - kind of fun but the "novelties" aka ring master and ball get annoying.

Shameless thread bump!