How do you truly remake Whitewater when the topper doesn't appear to be something that can be replicated? Whitewaters without working toppers sell for considerably less for a reason.

Even if they make a different topper to go with it, is Whitewater really a game at a price point where it would be worth while to do a remake?

I’m actually leaning towards new title as opposed to remake.

Well, I wasn't referring to how profitable or desirable a Whitewater remake would be...simply that it would not require any additional licensing like TZ, IJ or TAF would need.

On the other hand, there has been quite a bit of progress made on replacing the whitewater topper foil effect. There is a guy in Germany who has been working on it for quite a while (and has supposedly had some discussions with PPS regarding it). He has also been a bit cagey as far as his ultimate goals - he's said that he won't be allowed to sell it, but it would eventually be "available". I wouldn't be shocked if he is selling his design/system to PPS for a remake.

For the machines that don't need another license, I think Whitewater is as good a choice as any other. I don't believe TOM or TOTAN or FT are obviously better choices. And it wouldn't be hard for them to come up with another topper if they need to, they made new toppers for the other machines from scratch.

Personally, I hope they don't remake Whitewater, as I have a nice one with a great original topper, so I am unlikely to buy one, and would rather it not bring down the value of mine.

I hope TZ is somewhere in the queue.

That would be nice. I've felt that is the direction CGC should be going for a while now given Stern and JJP's quality issues. The best built and reliable game I have is a CGC MMr.

That has been in their plans for some time. No idea when. But eventually we'll be seeing new titles. Great times coming up.

LTG : )

How great would that be to get something from CGC? Avengers, Gnr and then... BBB!

From Beck Heck's interview, it is a CGC remake, then a CGC original, then his game.... sooo evil dead?

Want vs think are different answers for me unfortunately. Want TOTAN but think it will be CC.

ya TOTAN would be amazing. It was the game that got me into pinball and oddly I almost feel like dumping my line up for the classic 90's william's games

Also I’m very hype for the spooky/CGC collaboration. Gimme!!!

Totally agree, CGC needs to release the next title already. Loosing out on a lot of potential buyers right now.

I'm holding out to see what CGC next game is. Gonna wait through early next year. Some good games floating around that I'd like to get.

Since JJP just started shipping GnR, it's probably a good idea to wait a bit, let that die down...

My preference is that they announce closer to shipping, whenever that may be.

He gives his likeness to BTTF pinball, the BTTF animated series, to the latest BTTF video game...

...so I‘m pretty sure he‘s willing to SELL the rights to his likeness.

In addition:
That isn‘t Christopher Lloyd‘s character an the playfield anyway. It‘s his cousin Lester!

You guys think cgc can pump out games faster than jjp? I feel like they burned through these runs of mmr, and afmr. Did they ever elude to their output?

If I Ran the Circus (Anyone remember that old Dr. Suesse book?) at CGC, I would pump out all the non-licenced Pins to include at least one of the Jpop (CV,TOM,TotAN) and BBB before even going after CC uinless I had the rights to seriously modify the code. CC was rushed out the door by WMS to make way for Pin 2K and it shows. We have a CC in our pin league rotation and the wizards demolish this title every time it's included. After playing it for what seems like days, you are tired of one call out phrase that really gets old... "GOLD......MINE......MULTIBALL!!" This title may be rare, it may fetch a lot of money due to it being the last REAL Williams pinball machine, but if it had been in the middle of the '90s lineup, we would not be talking about it at right now. AFM, MB, and MM were great games and recreations were a good call seeing the lower numbers of machines actually built and low licencing fees. We would be a absolute lock for a TAFrLE, but so many of those OG TAF's are still around, so not sure a recreaation is a good investment of their dollars seeing the licencing costs that need to be overcome. I think CC might make a splash for CGC, but it might get sucked down to the bottom by the lacluster existing code, the hohum theme, and the fact so many other titles would be worth a recreation and or update. I liked the idea of TM:BOP 2.0, but DP's approach to that really derailed the story/theme and the flow and gameplay of the original was somewhat lost. Which is why Jackbot, to me, was really the OG recreation from Williams themselves, however tacking the casino theme onto the story was a huge stretch.... I thought the flow and gameplay of Pinbot was more or less maintained in Jackbot, much more so than BOP 2.0 kept her feel and flow of the game. If CGC could take an existing title and layout and come up with new art/dots/rules/toys and build a new breed of recreation---

The Continuation(TM)... Centaur Continued, Fathom Continued... Cactus Canyon Continued? Wait, what?!? NO! that has already been floated and shot down so... Lets hope IF CGC continues CC, they do it with as much fun and irreverence as the original CCC code. But I am waiting for TOMrLE...In 3DDD!!! I really love me some Magic Girl "Assets".

Yep, I am doing the same thing. Hopefully CGC announces within the next 3 months.

The space I had saved for the next CGC just went to a new Avengers LE. I nearly pulled the trigger on TMNT.... but I held out.

Who is Beck Heck and what is his game?

Ben Heckendorn. ( I think northvibe meant Ben Heck ) Works for Spooky. Americas Most Haunted and Rob Zombie's Spookshow International.

It was reported on Pinside awhile back that CGC, Ben, and Spooky had something going on.

LTG : )

If I recall on KMans podcast it was mentioned that Bens' game would be after the next CGC release ?

Only CGC knows for sure. Some remakes still in the works. And independent titles too.

This year is an exciting year for them. And next year will be even better.

LTG : )

By exciting, do you mean they will actually be bringing out a game this year? Getting pretty late in the day...

Alien....

I wish

I wish too. Would definitely be in on that one.

Alien or Indiana Jones remake. Either of those, it would be like CGC is printing money. Especially with another IJ movie on the way. Even if the movie sucks, the nostalgia factor will be in the air....I would sell a kidney for a CGC-made IJ!!!!

Next one might be a CCR. In addition to covid-19 that would explain why it has taken a bit longer time from the previous remake - there probably would also be then some version of the continued code on it by CGC.

This is what I was told from a distributor way back. Word then was they got the original software guy back to finish/add to the rules. At this point, who knows. Seems crazy that it's been this long since CGC has released a new game.

Whatever it is I wish they would just announce/release it so that we can all get to speculating / wishing / hoping the NEXT NEXT game is the one we are really waiting for. [Insert that game here ____]. Personally I'm a pass on CC or CCR. Fortunately for CGC others probably will buy it.

Me too.

I could use a new game about now.

LTG : )

I think sometimes we lose perspective that CGC has income streams off of non-pinball related items as well. That affords them the opportunity to supplement the R&D & Production phases and get things out right, instead of right now. I for one am grateful for that.

Maybe they should wait awhile longer....with EHOH and GNR recently out (2 great games). No one has any $$ left in this short period.

theatre of magic with new updates would be awesome!

I'm all in for any decent 90's B/W with the exception of CC. So it may be a while till I buy my second CGC title if CCr is on deck. It would be interesting to see a machine remake that goes beyond the standard CGC treatment, with the addition if new toys, ramps, rules on top of older titles. Sort of a Sword of Rage take on other titles, the same way SOR was a sequel to BK and BK2K. Centaur with modern ramps and rules and toys and animations would be an awesome remake.

To me, TOM is a better idea than CC. TOM has a great design and finished rules. With new DMD animation plus some extra (tiger wheel?) it could work well. I used to own a CC, sold it and the code feel really not finished. It get old pretty fast... so new DMD can’t help.

I have an opportunity to buy my former HEP Addams Family back, but if I buy it back and they remake TAF I'll be . A $6k NIB Classic Edition would suit me just fine and cost a way less. Some people doubt PPS can get the license, but Pinball Arcade was able to get it. And what better pin for them to remake? Seems risky to bet against them remaking it.

What do you guys think?

Buy your HEP Addams back.

LTG : )

LTG, what do you think, should I sell my original CC(C)?

Buy the HEP Addams if you think it would guarantee a TAF remake.

Ohhhhhh.... they are totally going to remake it In other news, I guess I'd be willing to take the the HEP TAF off their hands at a slightly discounted rate

LOL

No idea. I don't know if you like your game. I have no way of knowing if CC might get made as a remake.

I posted that NorCalRealtor should buy his Addams back because I don't think that will ever get remade. My own opinions.

LTG : )

Yes, sorry, I was just trying to fish for some information, but you're a wall, I know.

Can't blame you for trying.

This time I don't know. There are times I know and can't. This isn't one of them.

LTG : )

I have heard from a gentleman back east that PTC is the next game!

There is the spooky cgc heck game coming at some point, so it seems reasonable they'd make other original titles.

I have been following this thread since inception with the main focus/hope on BBB. I bought a NIB AFMr and loved it. I hear the "BBB is only good b/c it is rare" but I am not in that camp. I play it once a year if I go to the Ann Arbor show and love the colors, DMD animations, lights, shots, kickback, etc. I really want one but am not going to pay the cost of a current one unless I really strike it rich. Was initially super excited they put this on the list of a possible remakes but my hopes are slowly fading.