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POLL: CGC Remake #4.


By Zavadoza

1 year ago



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“Which CGC Remake do you want/think will be next? ”

  • Tales of the Arabian Nights 188 votes
    15%
  • Theatre of Magic 162 votes
    13%
  • Big Bang Bar 195 votes
    16%
  • Cactus Canyon 482 votes
    39%
  • White Water 105 votes
    8%
  • Other 111 votes
    9%

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#901 4 days ago

Well they lost my purchase. I was holding out for a while but I just ordered JP and AIQ. Wife was looking forward to CC as she really enjoyed playing it at the PHOF the last time we were there.

#902 4 days ago

I wish they took the rights to kingpin so it could have a shot at getting made in bulk. Having had a original it’s far more fun then cactus canyon. Having owned a cactus canyon as well, I hope they incorporated the prototype swinging saloon doors in front of Bart

#903 4 days ago

Addams family will never get remade... Christopher Lloyd does not give out his likeness. Which is why the last Addams movie was animated and fester looked nothing like him...Addams family is a no go don’t even bother hoping

#904 4 days ago

So TPF next year to announce the next remake? That’s ridiculous.

#905 4 days ago
Quoted from yuriijos:

So TPF next year to announce the next remake?

Who said that ?

LTG : )

#906 3 days ago

Typo by me. I heard they were going to show new game this year at the texas pinball , this last spring. Not next year. I don't know when now.

#907 3 days ago

I got to spend some time with CC last year, and while I liked a lot of it, I don't think it was in the same class as many of the other B/W classics.

The Bart bash toy was not particularly fun, and the whole train on a track thing seemed like an expensive mech that didn't really do anything (it looks like the ball should somehow go into the back of the train and then get carried along or something - but instead it's really just an expensive timer).

The spinning bowl thing didn't add much fun either. On the other hand, the pop-up drop targets were a lot of fun, and the mine was interesting.

The layout in general wasn't bad, but it also wasn't great - and I don't think it could be made into something great (regardless of whatever improved software could be added).

#908 3 days ago
Quoted from lllvjr:

Addams family will never get remade... Christopher Lloyd does not give out his likeness. Which is why the last Addams movie was animated and fester looked nothing like him...Addams family is a no go don’t even bother hoping

Does this mean no new BTTF pin too?

#909 3 days ago
Quoted from Hammerhead:

Does this mean no new BTTF pin too?

CGC can remake TAF if they want to.

#910 2 days ago
Quoted from pinballaddicted:

CGC can remake TAF if they want to.

Yes, but it's likely that they would have to renegotiate the license, and that would probably not include Lloyd's likeness. So they would probably have to do that weird altering of the likeness that they did for the digital versions.

Personally, I don't think having a "generic" Uncle Fester is that big a deal, but it might be a problem for some people.

#911 2 days ago

If I were to predict the next cgc remake(s), it would have to be TOTANbased on these factors.
1) Next highest non-licensed (invented/original) theme on the top 100 After MM, AFM, MB.
2) lower production under 4K units.
3) requires no tricky 3rd party licensing (like seeking licenses from studios or actors).
After that is has to be white water and cactus canyon as a 3 game offering after the big 3 (mm,
AFM, mb).
I did skip Elvira as the stern EHOH is hot.

#912 2 days ago
Quoted from brobra:

If I were to predict the next cgc remake(s), it would have to be Totem based on these factors.
1) Next highest non-licensed (invented/original) theme on the top 100 After MM, AFM, MB.
2) lower production under 4K units.
3) requires no tricky 3rd party licensing (like seeking licenses from studios or actors).
After that is has to be white water and cactus canyon as a 3 game offering after the big 3 (mm,
AFM, mb).
I did skip Elvira as the stern EHOH is hot.

TOTAN?

#913 2 days ago
Quoted from mbeardsley:

and that would probably not include Lloyd's likeness

They can use mine.

LTG : )
Disclaimer : Especially if it's PTC !

#914 2 days ago

If CGC wanted to remake TAF, couldn't they just use the playfields that are currently being manufactured under license by CPR and Mirco? Or are there other assets related to Christopher Lloyd in the game?

#916 2 days ago
Quoted from Nepi23:

If CGC wanted to remake TAF, couldn't they just use the playfields that are currently being manufactured under license by CPR and Mirco? Or are there other assets related to Christopher Lloyd in the game?

Uncle Fester is on the backglass as well, though it's a pretty small picture. They could probably easily modify it to not be Lloyd's image.

What is the deal with the new TAF playfields? Do they use the original image of Fester, or is it the modified one?

#917 2 days ago

Who wouldn't buy a brand new twilight zone?

#918 2 days ago
Quoted from seenev:

Who wouldn't buy a brand new twilight zone?

Well supposedly CGC does not want to do widebodies...and there are also complex licensing issues with TZ as well.

#919 2 days ago
Quoted from mbeardsley:

Uncle Fester is on the backglass as well, though it's a pretty small picture. They could probably easily modify it to not be Lloyd's image.
What is the deal with the new TAF playfields? Do they use the original image of Fester, or is it the modified one?

It's the original one. For Pinball Arcade they used a modified one. TAF backglasses are manufactured also today I think?

#920 2 days ago
Quoted from mbeardsley:

Well supposedly CGC does not want to do widebodies...and there are also complex licensing issues with TZ as well.

That's unfortunate. It's one of the all time greats and they're getting really expensive for old beat up machines.

#921 2 days ago
Quoted from seenev:

Who wouldn't buy a brand new twilight zone?

I agree on the licensing complications prohibiting TZ and TAF.
Plus both of those games aren’t hard to get. The build cost on both would be crazy.

#922 2 days ago

TOM before TOTAN IMHO.

#923 2 days ago

Not a bad bet. Opportunities on sound diversity, especially with the voice over call outs, lots of toys, and perhaps some better overall special
effects, lighting, and mechanics.
Definitely a game that can be produced better with some wow factor.

#924 2 days ago
Quoted from mbeardsley:

Yes, but it's likely that they would have to renegotiate the license, and that would probably not include Lloyd's likeness. So they would probably have to do that weird altering of the likeness that they did for the digital versions.
Personally, I don't think having a "generic" Uncle Fester is that big a deal, but it might be a problem for some people.

So how do CPR and Mirco make replacement new playfields that are exactly the same as the original?

#925 2 days ago
Quoted from pinballaddicted:

So how do CPR and Mirco make replacement new playfields that are exactly the same as the original?

I don't know the details, but I believe the licensing issues for "replacement parts" are different than those of new machines. It is possible that Williams had no time limit on the ability to produce/secure replacement parts but had a limited time window to sell actual machines.

#926 2 days ago
Quoted from mbeardsley:

I don't know the details, but I believe the licensing issues for "replacement parts" are different than those of new machines. It is possible that Williams had no time limit on the ability to produce/secure replacement parts but had a limited time window to sell actual machines.

So why would that not apply to a game if you made it the same?

CGC have said they could remake TAF if they wanted too.

#927 2 days ago
Quoted from pinballaddicted:

So why would that not apply to a game if you made it the same?
CGC have said they could remake TAF if they wanted too.

That's not the way licensing (usually) works. You normally license a property for a specific product (or perhaps product range) for a specified time period, like two years. And that may come with the ability to reproduce replacement parts "as needed" for some longer period (perhaps even indefinitely). That does NOT mean you have the rights to produce more "products" indefinitely.

This is how JJP was able to make a POTC machine...the license that Stern had for their POTC machine had ended. Stern may still be allowed to produce new POTC playfields as replacement parts if they wanted, but they couldn't sell new POTC machines.

Could CGC remake TAF "if they wanted to"? Sure, assuming that they can renegotiate the rights from Paramount (or whoever it is that owns the rights to the Addams Family movies at this point), just like they had to renegotiate the rights to the Universal Monsters for MBr.

#928 2 days ago

A related question (that I don't know the answer to) is did Planetary Pinball / CGC license the rights to the Williams catalog, or did they BUY the rights? And if they licensed them, for what time period was it? Do they have a limited window to produce new machines, or as the owner can they potentially license those rights out to other people?

#929 1 day ago
Quoted from mbeardsley:

A related question (that I don't know the answer to) is did Planetary Pinball / CGC license the rights to the Williams catalog, or did they BUY the rights? And if they licensed them, for what time period was it? Do they have a limited window to produce new machines, or as the owner can they potentially license those rights out to other people?

PP bought the rights and PP licenses the rights to others. That's the way I understand it to be.

#930 1 day ago
Quoted from mbeardsley:

A related question (that I don't know the answer to) is did Planetary Pinball / CGC license the rights to the Williams catalog, or did they BUY the rights? And if they licensed them, for what time period was it? Do they have a limited window to produce new machines, or as the owner can they potentially license those rights out to other people?

Is this what you are referring too? This is copied from the PPS website.

Q: Will PPS make games?
A: PPS has acquired the right to produce (with WEG approval) new pinball machines under the Bally mark and logo. We will explore options to bring a limited number of new or re-issued games to the market. In the short term, however, we will focus on increasing the number of replacement parts which are available to preserve the games which are out there.

http://www.planetarypinball.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=FAQS

#931 1 day ago
Quoted from LukyDuck:

Is this what you are referring too? This is copied from the PPS website.
Q: Will PPS make games?
A: PPS has acquired the right to produce (with WEG approval) new pinball machines under the Bally mark and logo. We will explore options to bring a limited number of new or re-issued games to the market. In the short term, however, we will focus on increasing the number of replacement parts which are available to preserve the games which are out there.
http://www.planetarypinball.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=FAQS

I swear i read the agreement on the PPS site in the past. I will try and find it again.

#932 1 day ago

There is this also from their site.

Q : Is Williams Electronics Games, Inc. involved in this?
A: Absolutely. Williams Electronics Games, Inc. (WEG) controls the rights to make pinball parts and games under the Williams and Bally trademarks, as well as the copyrights to all Williams and Bally (BLY) games and associated parts. WEG licensed the rights to make spare parts for all the existing Williams and Bally games, as well as the rights to manufacture new games under the Bally mark and logo to MPBA. These rights were transferred to PPS in October, 2010.
WEG continues to be the authority for approval of new WMS/BLY licensed parts and products, and PPS will work with WEG as its licensee. In addition, as with any licensee, PPS is obligated to notify WEG of any infringing activity that it becomes aware of.

#933 1 day ago

Planetary Pinball Supply - License Rights:
Please note that Planetary Pinball is the sole rights holder of trademark and copyright for Williams(tm) and Bally(tm) pinball machines, pinball parts, and game merchandise. We have worldwide perpetual exclusive license from Williams Electronics Gaming for the production of games and pinball parts.

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