Hi Mike,
can you go into a little detail about your Festool stuff? The machines look nice, but wow they are expensive.
My Landlord swears by the Track saw.
Bob
Hi Mike,
can you go into a little detail about your Festool stuff? The machines look nice, but wow they are expensive.
My Landlord swears by the Track saw.
Bob
Quoted from BobLangelius:Hi Mike,
can you go into a little detail about your Festool stuff? The machines look nice, but wow they are expensive.
My Landlord swears by the Track saw.
Bob
Hi Bob,
You’re right; Festool equipment certainly isn’t cheap However, keep in mind that Festool produces professional grade equipment designed for longevity and superior results. If you are a collector looking to restore one for two pinball machines then I’d recommend going with more budget conscious tools. However, if your hobby is restoring pinball machines, or you enjoy wood working projects, then you can’t go wrong with Festool.
If you are serious about looking into a Festool system, then I’d highly recommend you find a local dealer and checkout the hardware in person. In addition, there are tons of videos on YouTube where people demonstrate Festool equipment in action. For example, McCune has a video demonstrating an AFM decal sanding prep job – very cool.
Over the next few weeks/months, depending on how crazy my work schedule gets, I’ll be building 3 new cabinets: Centaur, Medusa and EBD. During that time I’ll do my best to document the entire process and provide equipment write-ups along the way. This will include track saws, sanders, routers, spraying equipment, etc. - everything you'd need to build a cabinet from scratch. Hopefully this will be detailed and provide some worthwhile info worth archiving here on PinSide
Mike,
Thanks for the info, And for this thread!
I'm very tempted. That tracksaw seems to be calling my name...
Bob
Finished up all of the cutting work for the 80s Bally cabinets today
Again, I'm using 3/4" poplar for the cabinets and back boxs:
These are 5 ply 4'x8' sheets from HD ($50/sheet). I'll need four 4'x8' sheets to build three complete cabinets and back boxes. In addition, I'll be using 1/2"x4'x8' sheets for the cabinet floors and rear back box panels.
Per request, here's some more info on the Festool System utilized for this project:
First, it's important to note that each Festool device is designed to work with a "Festool Dust Extractor."
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You'll have several options here, but personally I'd recommend either the CT 36 or CT 48. The only difference, besides the price of course, is the size/capacity of the extractor. Both the CT 36 and 48 are great, so you can't go wrong either way. One of the things I love the most about Festool equipment is the cleanliness. I can sand or cut wood without breathing in a ton of dust.
Again, the track saw we're using is a TS 75. Don't waste your time with the TCS 55, go with the Cadillac - trust me. The TS 75 has an impressive maximum 2-3/4” straight plunge depth and can cut up to 2-1/8" at 45 degrees, which comes in handy You can purchase tracks ranging form 32" up to 118" in length.
The track saw can be used in a variety of ways. For starters, it's great for making basic rough cuts:
You just place the track where you want to make a cut and used two Festool track clamps to secure the track in place:
For precision cuts, I use the MFT-3 multifuntional table system:
The only draw back here is the size of the cutting table itself. However, Festool does make a kit that will allow you to join two tables together - yes they like your money
The MFT-3 table is simple, but incredibly versatile. The extruded aluminum frame gives you the ability to attach a fence at any angle, making it possible to cut just about anything in any way imaginable:
The MFT-3 table also provides you the ability to attach your track to the table. The track then pivots at one end, so you can rotate it 90 degrees perpendicular to the table. This way you can easily move parts in and out of the cutting area, then lower the cutting track back into place.
Once you square up your fence and tack you'll be making perfect cuts every time:
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On a side note, don't cut your table in half Adjust the plunge depth for your saw accordingly:
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Did I mention that the track height is adjustable in relation to the MFT-3 table's surface? Yup, you can stack wood parts, square them up and cut them both at the same time.
Here's a cool gizmo:
This adjustable stop slides back and forth in the fence, giving you the ability to set the length for repetitive cuts. With the stop we were able to cut all of the back box sides for 3 cabinets in less than 5 minutes. More importantly, the cuts were repeatable and on the money.
Here's the EBD cabinet, ready for routing now
Quoted from PinballMikeD:Here's a cool gizmo:
This adjustable stop slides back and forth in the fence, giving you the ability to set the length for repetitive cuts. With the stop we were able to cut all of the back box sides for 3 cabinets in less than 5 minutes. More importantly, the cuts were repeatable and on the money.
now
I see a deep love and passion for fancy tools here. I also see a small production of cabinets on demand. ..... ? It would definitely help the hobby.
Yes
Quoted from Arcane:I see a deep love and passion for fancy tools here. I also see a small production of cabinets on demand. ..... ? It would definitely help the hobby.
Yes
One, two, three cabinets.... No big deal, but trying to reproduce cabinets for the general public in this fashion really doesn't make since. I'd have to CNC everything or the cabinets would cost a fortune. Even then I'd probably have to charge more than what most people would be willing to spend. It's a nice idea, but I really don't want my hobby to turn into a secondary job. If I did then I'd make more CFTBL LCD MODs
Taking a break from wood working this weekend
I decided to work on EBD and get it up and running.
I noticed that F4 (the 5amp fuse on the power module board) was blown. Took a look under the playfeild and found this:
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Luckily I had a space fuse holder. The EBD playfield fuse was being held in place via a flipper spring, which was wrapped around the remaining prong. The problem was that it was shorting out on the adjacent coil assembly bracket. I swapped out the fuse holder as well as the power board.
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At this point I was able to get the game to boot up. However, after performing the coil test I found this:
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The right sling shot coil was fried. I un-soldered the wires and ohmed it out. The solendoid should read something more like this:
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I swapped the coil and again replaced the 5amp fuse. Presto..... EBD is now up and running
At least I can now play the game while I'm building a new cabinet and back box.
Quoted from PinballMikeD:At least I can now play the game while I'm building a new cabinet and back box.
Its the little things in pinball that bring so much pleasure! Now you can take a break from all this hard work and play a game or two.
Quoted from Tbgolfen:Its the little things in pinball that bring so much pleasure! Now you can take a break from all this hard work and play a game or two.
Agreed
Quoted from PinballMikeD:At least I can now play the game while I'm building a new cabinet and back box.
"Shoot the E-I-G-H-T ball, corner pocket."
You know a project is progressing when it leads to other projects
Here's a cool pocket screw tool (you can pick one up at Lowes for around $100):
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A little glue and some pocket screws go a long way.....
Ok, so what the hell are we building? Yup, you guessed it.... A fence for our router table
Cabinet panels are big and clunky, making them difficult to handle when routing the corners. Therefore, we're building a large fence to ensure we can control the panels when making the cross grain cuts.
I'll be using the following locking miter router bit for the cabinet corner cuts :
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Once glued, this should give me the solid corners I want
More Festool toys, this time we're going to play with the OF 1400 router, which is attached to the CMS VL router table:
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Festool has two different options for router tables - standalone or an MFT3 table extension system. In this case we're using the MFT3 extension system.
So, how do you set up a router? Well, first you have to get the height of the bit setup correctly. Here's a nifty tool for that:
The three magnets make it easy to attach to the router bit.
The longer scale lines represent the center lines for the wood you're routing. The horizontal line is used to set the height of your bit while the vertical line is used to set the depth of your fence.
So, now we'll need to notch out a hole in our fence in order to accommodate the router bit.
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Finally, we've added a vacuum box to the rear of our fence in order to help with dust collection. The slide piece on top will be use to guide panels through the router.
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Now it's just a matter of squaring up the fence to the router table and experimenting with the bit height and fence depth in order to make the fine adjustments needed to have perfect corners. Unfortunately, this is a pain in the ass, but it's necessary to produce the quality cuts needed to have a square cabinet.
Here's a look at Festool's router guide fence system (very similar to the track saw setup used earlier in the thread):
It works great for cuts made with the grain:
Here's a look at the custom guide system we fabricated to handle cross grain cuts:
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Now, when we stand up panels perpendicular to the table, we'll have a solid means for guiding them through the router
Here are some test pieces used to setup the router:
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Put them together and you have a cabinet
Beautiful parts. However, will these drop targets mechanisms still work with such thickness added to the parts?
That will be one hell of a Medusa, for sure.
Yves
Quoted from Arcane:Beautiful parts. However, will these drop targets mechanisms still work with such thickness added to the parts?
It worked on these machines
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FYI - the powder only adds 2 mils per coat.
The key is using heat tape when needed, like on the coil stops:
Here's where we left an area for the grounding wire on the bottom of the transformer panel:
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I'll have to re-tap all the mounting holes and there will be some tweaking required, but the drops will work correctly once complete. If anything, I'd be more concerned with the zipper flipper mechanism, but that can always get brass plated with the rest of the part
Quoted from Captive_Ball:I like your color choice...should look fantastic with cabinet...as you mentioned. Kudos to you sir.
Quoted from jgentry:Looking real good!
Quoted from j_m_:you're quite the talented person. hats off
Thanks for the kind words.
Quoted from jgentry:I'll be waiting to pounce when you get tired of a couple of these
You already got a Medusa
Quoted from PinballMikeD:It worked on these machines FYI - the powder only adds 2 mils per coat.
Mike,
I know that. I was just concerned by that beautiful clear-coat that you can see shining everywhere....
Beautiful result. These pinball machines are masterpieces.
Yves
Quoted from Arcane:Mike,
I know that. I was just concerned by that beautiful clear-coat that you can see shining everywhere....
Beautiful result. These pinball machines are masterpieces.
Yves
I'll document what's required throughout the rebuild, but it shouldn't be too bad
"FYI - the powder only adds 2 mils per coat."
Mike,
Just a heads-up. I have seen Powder-coating add Considerably more than .002" Per side. It depends very much on how the parts are hung, How good the connection is, And how much powder is applied.
I have seen hack job powder-coating add .030" per side on the downhill edge. Not to mention the drips and blobs...
Keep up the good work. I am always looking forward to updates on this thread. Thanks for the Festool Info.
Bob
Quoted from BobLangelius:"
Just a heads-up. I have seen Powder-coating add Considerably more than .002" Per side. It depends very much on how the parts are hung, How good the connection is, And how much powder is applied.
Bob
No doubt I'll have a few parts reworked; it's hard to get 100+ pieces perfect the first time around. Typically I'm not a big fan of powder for trim pieces (rails, coin door, etc), but it's a nice custom touch for the coil assemblies
The Festool router table is nice, but here's an even better setup for precision work:
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The INCRA LS Positioner makes fine adjustments that the Festool fence can't. So, after some modifications, here's what our custom fence system looks like:
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Now we can easily adjust the fence depth, making 1/1000" adjustments
We also added some feather boards to our fence system to help control our material when cutting. Here's a look at the cross grain setup:
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I'm using a wood clamp to help secure the board squarely to the fence, attaching it to the track guide that runs along the top of the fence. Also, I'm using a backer board when cutting, this will ensure the router bit doesn't create any "blowout" while cutting.
Here's a good picture to illustrate a clean cross cut, notice that the exiting section of the board isn't blown out (hence the need for the backer board in the previous picture):
With the cross cuts completed, we can now setup our fence for conventional cutting work:
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Looks like our cuts turned out OK
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That's all for today.
Quoted from Captive_Ball:Way over my head, but the joint looks great and will certainly be solid.
It's not that complicated, probably just not explaining it very well. Hopefully it’s at least interesting to read
Quoted from PinballMikeD:It's not that complicated, probably just not explaining it very well. Hopefully it’s at least interesting to read
I think it is helpful and interesting. Your demonstrating for all of us that having the right tools is just as important as the skill to use them. What is overwhelming is accepting that building out a "proper" cabinet requires a proper woodshop and that for many of us is unrealistic (space, money, utility, etc).
But being unrealistic or overwhelming, does not detract from the usefulness of your posts. I can deduce down the idea of building a guide for a router as being essential to producing a better outcome.
Selfishly, keep posting! I love learning and being exposed to ideas and tools I have never considered. Thanks!
As is often stated in your threads, we can only hope to approximate your builds as your craftsmanship and attention to detail is awesome.
Quoted from PinballMikeD:Hopefully it’s at least interesting to read
Very much so...Please keep them coming.
Quoted from Tbgolfen:As is often stated in your threads, we can only hope to approximate your builds as your craftsmanship and attention to detail is awesome.
Much agreed!
Quoted from Tbgolfen:Your demonstrating for all of us that having the right tools is just as important as the skill to use them. What is overwhelming is accepting that building out a "proper" cabinet requires a proper woodshop and that for many of us is unrealistic (space, money, utility, etc).
Good tools make all the difference, no doubt about that. If you're only restoring one or two machines, then it really doesn't make since to purchase all this stuff; it would be far cheaper to purchase a few reproduction cabinets. Personally, I'd rather buy the tools than the pinball machines. I like my machines in a millions pieces
Quoted from Tbgolfen:As is often stated in your threads, we can only hope to approximate your builds as your craftsmanship and attention to detail is awesome.
I happen to like a certain guy's Frontier restoration just as much
It's time for some more routing work
Let's get started with the back box. Here's a look at the bottom panel:
No need for an elaborate jig, just clamp your wood directly to the back box.
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We're going to use a 1.75HP Porter Cable router with a following bit to cut out our new bottom panel. Set the router bit's depth, so the follower bearing rides along the surface of the cutout in the original back box as shown below:
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Now, dill a pilot hole and start routing.
Nothing to it
Use brad point drill bits to create pilot holes for the mounting bolt & tee nut locations:
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It's drill press time.
If your drill has a depth stop setting, use it. I like to set the depth, so only the brad point pushes through:
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Then I flip the board over and drill from the other side to complete the hole:
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This ensures you don't have a blowout where the drill bit exits, like this:
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You could use a backer board, but I prefer the method described above. Anyway, here's the finished panel:
The right side back box panel is a little more interesting. First, we need to drill out a hole for the lock. Then we'll route out an area for the lock's mounting plate as shown below:
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Here's where the Festool MFT table comes in handy
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With our work piece secured to the table and some scrap wood guides in place, we can now use a 1/4" router bit to cut out the area.
Here's a look at the finished cutting work:
Who doesn't love little wooden triangle shaped corner support braces? If you're not a fan of wooden triangles, then this post isn't for you
Before we can assemble the back boxes we'll need to make some corner braces. These guys were cut out of square poplar material using a band saw:
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The only problem is that they have some ugly blade marks that need to be address.
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So, it's time for another handy dandy jig
This jig gets clamped down to the work table using some Festool clamps.
Now it's time to start sanding, 100 grit should do the trick.
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Here's a good comparison after a little elbow grease is applied, Was it worth the extra work?
Alright it's time to start assembling the back boxes. First, I'll sand the inside face of every panel; the exterior faces will get sanded later in the process. Now's the time to get as much finishing work done on the interior as possible, just easier this way.
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Here's a look at the back panel:
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The vent holes were routed out using the same technique previously documented. Now I can sand out the vent holes, removing any remaining wood furs. Then I'll lightly file the edges of the vent holes.
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Time to start gluing.
Once the corner joints are glued, we'll use two ratchet straps to hole the back box together. Here's a look at one of the corners after everything has been squared up:
Not a bad joint indeed
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