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Please help Short Switch on The Shadow

By JeanPS71

4 years ago


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#30 4 years ago

LED 6 is lit in your pictures.

LED 5 -a little higher- will go ON when coindoor is closed

#34 4 years ago

It is a 40KHz pulsing LED. Taking Voltage from it will give no correct value.

#36 4 years ago

Yes, but that is depending on the camera. Newer ones can have IR-filter.

Check other -working- opto with camera to see if it shows IR-light on display.

The opto on mini-playfield is driven by a 24-opto-board under the playfield. Is its LED lit ? Are all 3 connectors in place ? Did you check it in switch test ?

#38 4 years ago

Could be a broken leg of the ir-LED on mini-playfield,.. or a leaking capacitor on the 24-optoboard.

Quoted from JeanPS71:

I tested the receiver with an ultrabrite mini flashlight.....that doesn't seem to work either.

That is because the receiver wants a 40KHz signal.

#41 4 years ago

Maybe the WHT-BLU wire got shorted with a power-line when it got loose from the standup target sw #56
This same wire goes to the 24"-opto-board and could have blown the optocoupler (U2) on this board.

#45 4 years ago
Quoted from JeanPS71:

.I changed the optocoupler on the board and it's up and running again.

Excellent !!

Quoted from JeanPS71:

20 years ago I thought I was going to build my own modular synth

That would have been my other hobby when there was no pinball : )

#48 4 years ago

Thanks Chris,

The Blue-White wire was from the beginning suspect for causing the troubles in the sw-matrix.
Lucky the 24" opto board has an opto-coupler so no further damage on this board.

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#54 4 years ago
Quoted from onlydjz:

changed U14, U16,U18, U20 but the row short is still here in the switch matrix

Nice picture you have there.

Quoted from bssbllr:

Quick question does the shadow use the wpc-s board not the wpc-89.

It looks like this is about "hurricane" so the picture suites the correct board now.

What stands out immediately on the display with sw-matrix is that not only the rows 1,2,6,7 are closed, but also direct switch D1 and D2.

Are D1 and D2 still active when J205 is unplugged ? If so, I would agree by bssbllr to give the ASIC a gentle push into socket.

And with machine OFF, check all inputs and outputs of the LM339's for a short to GND with multimeter.
LM339 inputs in that great picture are in CYAN color, outputs are in PINK

#56 4 years ago
Quoted from bssbllr:

How you knew that’s amazing


I grew up with WPC
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#61 4 years ago

I think the LM339's lost continity with some signals/supply.
Measure continuity for all 5V, GND and data signals on the LM339 chips with the picture you used in post #49

#64 4 years ago

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/wpc-89-cpu-board-info#post-3570794

Go to this post and scroll down to the animation on the bottom of this post. The voltages found in this animation are valid for all switch inputs (J205/J208/J209) as long you are feeding the inputs with GND.

#66 4 years ago

Take your multimeter and start measuring the voltages at the outputs of all lm339s. That is pin 1,2,13,14. Then you know at least in what direction to search.

#69 4 years ago

The fact that you have multiple rows being LOW without the lm339's installed, makes me think that the 10K pull-up resistors are not making contact with the outputs or 5V.

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again:

Quoted from zaza:

Measure continuity for all 5V, GND and data signals ..............

#71 4 years ago
Quoted from onlydjz:

5V can be found at 2/13/14 pin at U18, pin1 is 3.3V
U19 all of 4 outs are 5V.

That is partly correct.

Quoted from onlydjz:

U18, pin1 is 3.3V

U18-1 is floating or input at U18-8 is not pulled HIGH or U18-6 is not 5V

For the other ROWs, next stop will be the inputs of U13 . For direct sw. the same for U15.
U13 and U15 pin 2, 4, 6, 8, 11, 13, 15, 17 should be 5 Volt. (on bench with no connectors on inputs)

If not,then the board misses traces or pull-up resistors.

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