why does it matter? if they remake it, it will cost more than most used TZs sell for anyway...

remake it update it put it in as many locations as possible so new generations have the chance to play not just old guys in a basement.

Any good games are fair game for remakes, IMHO.

Nice brand new fresh game is a great reason to remake a classic. How will others owning it affect your fun? As for Medieval Madness, I don't consider it common with such an expensive price for its remake. Your investment is safe.

there are bigger things in life to worry about

I heard they were going to but because you said please, they won't now.

They made a shit ton of tz I doubt it's on any short list to be remade.
One pin wonder just got in the hobby and wants to guard his "investment".. Some advice: if your plan is to make money in this hobby by flipping games, you're better off flipping cars..

Maybe, but it doesn't matter anyway. The license was rumored to be too costly to pursue, and the bom to build one nowadays would be in the stratosphere.

They can't even remake and deliver all MMr's in a 2 year span... I wouldn't worry about a TZ or any other remake at this point.

Finished a high end not too long ago. You got that right.

Did I miss something? Who said TZ was being remade or are we just stirring the pot? TZ remake would likely be too costly anyways, not financially realistic.

Just stirring the pot - I think.

Anyway, I don't see this being one of the feasible remakes due to licensing. It's like Monster Bash or Scared Stiff from that perspective.

TZ remade would be well over 10k if remade. TZ is one of the most complicated games with a huge amount of expensive unique mechs to itself. Not possible for it to be remade really. This question has been asked before. Do a google search.

Yeah, it would probably be $15,000 at todays "LE" prices with it's huge bill of materials.

This reads to me as "please don't remake as I think it will reduce the value of mine"

You won't believe the number of MM owners who constantly bash MMR because it affects the value of their precious games.

You should have invested in a hardbody. No worries about that one being remade and it is impossible for its price to drop any lower.

And the number of MMr owners who constantly remind owners of the original of this... goes both ways.

Yeah, but a $7000 Pro would be affordable, if you don't mind playing without optional extras like the Powerfield, the gumball machine and the upper flippers.

Thanks for proving my point Indypin!

Please don't remake any of my games. It may not affect how they play or how much fun I have on them, but it will do something to them. I'm not sure how and I'm not sure what though.

Dont hate ya Crash, just don't get why pinheads bash other pinheads because we happened to spend the money on original MMs back in the day. I didn't buy it as an investment, I bought it because it looked like a fun pin to play. To this day, I never regretted spending the money on it. But after MMR was announced, a lot of pinheads went around, waving their hands back and forth saying "ha ha"' you guys lost your money!!! IMO, I didn't lose nothing because the money I spent on my original MM is the same money new owners of MMR is spending now. Haters going to hate I guess.

Well, gotta go. Going to bash some BIBLE owners because I got an ACDC premium for a lot less money with the same features. Same principle, right?

Oh wait, I better not do that because the pro owners will then bash me. Man, this cycle may never end!

TZ would be a really stupid game to remake. It did poor on route back in the day and that is unlikely to change. Many parts in the game and would take lots of effort to remake which means added cost. The market for and 8000 TZr is pretty limited, esp since you can still find very nice originals for 5000 or under.

Then what were you trying to do?

TZ is not rare by any stretch of the imagination.

15,235 produced, well rarity is already out the window when you purchased it.

IMHO, as a TZ owner, I would welcome it. I couldn't care less about my game's 'worth' or 'value' or 'rarity'. (My game's already somewhat 'rare', being an early sample.. But to me, it's *my* game.. I wouldn't care if they reproduced TZ with the artwork differences..)

Basically, means new supplies of parts..!

The only people that knock Hardbody are the people that have not played it. I just traded my TZ away, Hardbody is still here. Being hard.

Why does it matter? Cost? Exclusiveness? TZ is not rare or that expensive. Why even waste a minute worrying about it. If it does happen, it will be a long, long time from now.

As a new person in this hobby, this is the wrong way to start out if you want it to be enjoyable moving forward. Just buy the games you want and can afford, play them, fix them, mod them, enjoy them. When the day comes that you want to sell it, it will sell for what the market bears. If they remade it and its less then you purchased it for, so be it. Just think of all the time you enjoyed that pin and that's what you received for your investment. As others have stated, TZ is not one to worry about a remake of anyway.

Well said.

I do not buy a machine and worry about the future. I buy a machine that I want to get, and play at the moment. I would also like my family and friends to get some enjoyment from them as well. If I machine that I bought decreases in value for whatever reason, it does not take away the countless hours of enjoyment that I get by working on, and playing my games.

I'm excited for the T2r...... ............Joey

Rick says there are plans for 10 other games. I doubt any of the wide bodies are on the list. I think the odds of TZ getting reproduced any time in the next 10 years or so is about as close to zero as you can get.

Part of me would like to see TZ get remade and be a success to open up a new generation of players to the innovation and gameplay that the original offered. Perhaps it would spur more original ideas from the current generation of offerings.

Part of me thinks that the same mistake that Pat made with TZ originally (high cost and complexity in spite of the innovation) would have the same negative consequences it did upon the original release - costs went up and reliability when down and accelerated pins demise on route.

Part of me want's all the above to happen... some people just want to watch the world burn.

*I'm going home tonight and hugging my TZ. I buy games to play them and not resell or make a profit.

So fresh into the hobby and already worried about your "investment".

JJP is already sort of remaking TZ.

What's with remake fever? We've had Stern re-run one game (same game twice now) and MMR is taking forever. Remakes and VEs aren't shaking the roots of the world but they're the most discussed non-existent games.

You tell them Taygeta, Hardbody is going nowhere!

God I wish my girlfriend would let me get Hardbody. There's a super nice one for $700 that's been for sale for weeks in GA if it hasn't sold. I can understand why WCS's theme holds it down in the B-list in terms of pricing, but Hardbody's theme is awesome and it's practically in the EM range of prices.

Maybe you can sell her on it if you make an alternate translite with only male lifters.

The only losers in this hobby are guys going into it for the sole purpose of making money off of it and not for the love of the game. And I agree that there has been a lot of MMR/MM bashing that has gone both ways (Oh god did I actually agree with Teekee?) and hopefully that shit stops.

And pink...and moaning.

Still on the lookout for a $500 Hardbody since its apparently so terrible.

Remake them all for all I care.....I just like to play.

Slap some TZ bitmapped Photoshop graphics on unsold WWEs and call it a day.

I do agree with sentiment that JJP's products are the siblings of the TZ legacy. Stern's games are also.

JJP takes the spirit of what Pat's team did with TZ and has expanded on the concept of "what if" and is pushing what a pin can potentially be.

Stern takes the lessons learned from the excess of what TZ became and has figured a way to make pinball feasible in 2015.

Both come from the same TZ fork in the industry.

There's nothing wrong in either concept. It all comes down to execution and price point. Argument and debate can be made on how successfully the concepts of both come to fruition and the value contained in either approach.