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Playmatic/Conquest 200/Outer Hole kicker

By Raff

3 years ago


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#1 3 years ago

The outer hole kicker keeps kicking does not stop tried everything can't get it to stop is there a switch or switches I should be looking at i can't find a relay for it I'm stuck help..
Raff

#2 3 years ago
Quoted from Raff:

The outer hole kicker keeps kicking does not stop

I don't see any holes to kick out of in this game.

#3 3 years ago

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Raff

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#4 3 years ago
Quoted from Raff:

it's called the ball return.

Usually something like ball kicker, but I can't find it, or anything similar, on the schematic. Any rate, did you check that the trough sw. is gapped correctly?

#5 3 years ago

Hi Raff, currieddog +
see the JPG, bottom - is it the "balls return" Coil ? Kicking when the motor is turning and the Y-Relay is pulling ? The Y-Relay does not stop pulling ? See upper right corner in my JPG - stuff is missing. Raff - currieddog - do You happen to have a complete schematics ? Please post a picture of "missing stuff" - so I can complete my schematics. Greetings Rolf

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#6 3 years ago
Quoted from currieddog:

Any rate, did you check that the trough sw. is gapped correctly?

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First thing I checked was the trough switch they are good.
Hi Rolf

https://www.ipdb.org/files/1672/Playmatic_1976_New_World_Schematic_Diagram_continuous.pdf
Raff

#7 3 years ago
Quoted from rolf_martin_062:

is it the "balls return" Coil ? Kicking when the motor is turning and the Y-Relay is pulling

Yes to both.
Raff

#8 3 years ago

Hi Raff
thanks for the Link You posted in Post-6 - but "New World" is not "Conquest 200". See the JPG - I added stuff from New World in the upper right corner - a Switch-Motor-6C opens and makes the Y-Relay to quit pulling --- but Conquest 200 does NOT have an Motor-Cam-6 ... Look about in the middle of th e JPG - a short wire runs from "Coil on Y-Relay" to "Switch mounted on the Y-Relay" - THIS is the Self-Hold-Switch of the Relay --- on the other Blade of this Switch starts a wire - wire-color-YE-BLK (?). Look on the Motor-Switches for a wire with this color - maybe on Switch-Motor-5B ? Greetings Rolf

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#9 3 years ago

Thanks Rolf I will check the switchs and report back to you.
Raff

#10 3 years ago

Hi Rolf there is no small wire on the Y relay coil going to a switch on the conquest 200 schematics it's only on the new world schematics.
Raff

#11 3 years ago

Hi Raff
schematics are not "exploded view" drawings --- they are drawn abstract, looking beautyful. Look in Your pin at the Coil on Y-Relay - on one side of the Coil is wire (most likely color "RD" - red) and on the other side of the coil is a short wire running to a switch on the Relay (the Self-Hold-Switch). On this switch on the other side is a wire - maybe color-YE-BLK, yellow and black. Look on the switches on the Score-Motor for this color (I assume YE-BLK) - I first would look at Motor-Cam named "5" (outmost mounted) - on Switch "second from the bottom". Maybe You take a picture of Y-Relay in Your pin and show it (?). Greetings Rolf

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#12 3 years ago

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Hi Rolf there is only three wires connected to the coil and none of them are connected to any of the switchs at the Y relay.
Raff

#13 3 years ago

I think the switchs on the score reels might be out of ajsument does anyone know the sequence for the three switchs on the score reel like at 0 then 1-8 and 9
Example Are the switchs all opened when the score reel
is at 0 or are is the top closed and middle and bottom open ???. Any advice is better than none thanks.
Raff.
Ps_to Rolf there is no red wires on any of the relays
Going back to the switchs I did see anthore post about the same game where you posted and yes I could see the red wires but this game no maybe the guy I bought it off took them off.
Raff

#14 3 years ago
Quoted from Raff:

does anyone know the sequence for the three switchs on the score reel like at 0 then 1-8 and 9

Some are missing on the schematic's blank spot, but if it's like other games, all should be open when on 0, all should be closed when on 9, and 2 should be closed when on 0-8.

#15 3 years ago

Thanks Howard found a video on YouTube
On a New World machine the guy on the video shows
When the switchs are supposed to open and close
I was in luck on that note they are all in the right place now ,but I am starting to think
My trouble on this machine is the ball count unit
I think maybe the person before me took the ball count apart and put it back wrong, please correct me if I am wrong but on this game the first ball is 5 then 4,3,2 and 1 then game over.
Raff

#16 3 years ago
Quoted from Raff:

Thanks Howard found a video on YouTube
On a New World machine the guy on the video shows
When the switchs are supposed to open and close
I was in luck on that note they are all in the right place now ,but I am starting to think
My trouble on this machine is the ball count unit
I think maybe the person before me took the ball count apart and put it back wrong, please correct me if I am wrong but on this game the first ball is 5 then 4,3,2 and 1 then game over.
Raff

Raff - I have this machine in 100% working order as well as the schematics. I can't help you "Fix" the problem because I don't really work on EM's, but if you need pictures or feedback let me know.

#17 3 years ago

Post written not knowing about Post-16 ...

Hi Raff
here https://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=557&picno=15054&zoom=1 we see in the Backglass "Balls to Play" - this tells us "a new game starts on Ball-5 - then for the next Ball it steps down to Ball-4 etc.".

My JPG "shows" the missing corner --- we might be able to reconstruct / redraw the lines for wires - but definitely not switches and theirs text.
On behalf of Y-Relay - on the second JPG in Your post-12 I see "TWO wires-red to solder-lup on Coil" - actually it is ONE-Wire-red hopping (daisy-chained) from one coil to next coil to next coil etc. On the other solderlug on the coil - wire-color-maybe-white-red ? - have a close look to all Normally-Open-Switches mounted on the Y-Relay - do You find this color-maybe-white-red also on a mounted Switch? Greetings Rolf

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#18 3 years ago

Hi @djreddog
please show us the missing upper right corner of the schematics - maybe just a picture with the camera on Your mobile phone --- I then can turn around - drawing lines in MS-Paint so the quality of Your picture does not matter much - as long as it readable. Greetings Rolf

#19 3 years ago
Quoted from rolf_martin_062:

On the other solderlug on the coil - wire-color-maybe-white-red ? - have a close look to all Normally-Open-Switches mounted on the Y-Relay -

Yes found the other wire going from the solderlug to the switch on the Y_relay coil
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Raff

#20 3 years ago

Hi Raff
good - You found the wire on the SWITCH on Y-Relay. The other blade on that Switch has soldered-on a wire of color???. Now look in the upper left corner of JPG in Post-11 - a wire (not so short) runs from solderlug on coil to switch mounted on the relay --- on the other solderlug / blade on that switch runs a wire of color??? (the one You see in YOUR PIN). In that upper left corner of the JPG the text to the wire is YE-BLK. Then read Post-8 --- look on the Score-Motor. Maybe You have (by now) the schematic "missing corner" and can look-up WHAT Switch on the Score-Motor to inspect - truely opening when the motor turns, actuates the switches there. Greetings Rolf

#21 3 years ago

I found that the player unit was out by around 5 steps so I loosened the 2 small grub screws and put it back where it supposed to be pressed the start button the C Relay pulled in but nothing happened to the Y relay but I manually activated the Y relay and the game came back to life and played a whole game without any issues so the problem is getting that Y Relay to pull in at the start of the game.
And thanks Rolf and others for helping nearly there.
Raff

#22 3 years ago

Hi Raff
great - You made progress. I hope You have marked the position of Player-Unit BEFORE loosen the grub screws, changing position. Maybe it was faulty - but it is / would be good to know "the way it was when I (You) got the pin".
I am irritated - I thought the problem was "Y-Relay does not quit pulling - stays pulling forever" - my writing about this - last in Post-20. To be up to date - please write a post "actual problem(s) is/are ...". Greetings Rolf

#23 3 years ago

Hi Rolf the only problem left now is at the start of
A game the Y relay is not activating that's the only problem left
If I had the start up sequence that would help.
Raff

#24 3 years ago

Hi Raff
look at the JPG - when You (wear rubber gloves and) press the armature on Y-Relay and let go - and the Y-Relay STAYS on its own PULLING for a while: "stuff marked red" functions - the Self-Hold-Circuitry functions. When You start a new game, manipulate a bit BUT You can then play through the balls to finally get to Game-Over: "stuff marked green functions".
The wiring I have "marked blue" I believe is used when it comes (in the end of starting a new game) to kicking out the very first ball to be played. I do not really understand the used words / expressions in the schematics --- I must brood - but here in Switzerland (south of Germany) it is just after hour 22:00 - time for me to go to sleep. Till tomorrow. Greetings Rolf

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#25 3 years ago

Hi Raff
please write about (Your post-21) "... and the game came back to live and played a whole game ...". This sentence I took for (see JPG in post-24) assumption "marked red stuff functions, marked green stuff functions" - do I assume right ?
Looking at "marked blue stuff, wiring" JPG in post-24, on the left: Wire-YE-RD (the one You have found on the switch on Y-Relay) runs to switch on Bonus-Unit, the other solderlug of that Switch has soldered-on wire-BLK-RD. Look on the Bonus-Unit for this switch (with the wire-colors). When You start a new game and then it it comes to the fault - is this switch truely closed ?
Wire-BLK-RD runs from Switch on Bonus-Unit to a Switch on R-Control-Reset-Unit-Relay - when it comes to the fault - is R-Relay PULLING and its Switch truely closed, clean ? Greetings Rolf

#26 3 years ago

Machine fixed
I cleaned the single switch at the bonus unit because the machine wasn't giving the bonus that fixed it then
Had anthore look at the switchs on the score reels and noticed the top switch on the 10,000 reel was supposed to be closed but looked opened so I cleaned the switch
And closed it tighter and started a game and yep it worked reels reset, the relays pulled in ball kicked out and it was game on ball 5 then 4,3,2,1 Game over so far working good.
Big thanks to Rolf and Djreddog and Howard for helping
Raff

#27 3 years ago

Fix one problem get anthore one.
The coil on the spinner unit is locked on once the start button is pushed and the coil on the match unit in the back box locks on too .
Hey Djreddog can you post a picture of your spin unit at the coil that's under the playfield bottom right, just need a photo of how it is wired up to the coil.
Raff

#28 3 years ago
Quoted from Raff:

Fix one problem get anthore one.
The coil on the spinner unit is locked on once the start button is pushed and the coil on the match unit in the back box locks on too .
Hey Djreddog can you post a picture of your spin unit at the coil that's under the playfield bottom right, just need a photo of how it is wired up to the coil.
Raff

Headed to work now. I will tonight when I get home, after 6pm est.

#29 3 years ago
Quoted from Raff:

Fix one problem get anthore one.
The coil on the spinner unit is locked on once the start button is pushed and the coil on the match unit in the back box locks on too .
Hey Djreddog can you post a picture of your spin unit at the coil that's under the playfield bottom right, just need a photo of how it is wired up to the coil.
Raff

Spin unit = the spinner?

#30 3 years ago

Lift the playfield iit s on the bottom right side .
Raff

#31 3 years ago

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I need a picture of the wires at the coil lugs thanks
Djreddog
Raff

#32 3 years ago

Let me know if you different angles.

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#33 3 years ago

Here’s a few more.

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#34 3 years ago

Thanks Djreddog
Raff

#35 3 years ago

Let’s us know how it goes.

#36 3 years ago

Does anyone know what the Ohms are for a Playmatic coil AC-1202
Raff

#37 3 years ago
Quoted from djreddog:

Let’s us know how it goes.

I believe I found why the spinner coil was locking on all the time because one of the 1202 relay coils in the match unit is no good when testing the Ohms on that relay it read around 27.00ohms the same relays were around 6.2 ohms so I disconnected the suspect bad relay then powered the machine up started a game and the coil at the spinner unit was not locked on anymore so I put down to a bad relay at the match unit. With that relay 1202 disconnected would that cause the the 2 spinners on the playfield to stop giving score.
Raff

1 week later
#38 3 years ago

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#39 3 years ago

See if any of these help.

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#40 3 years ago

Thanks Djreddog
It's looks like the last lug at the end.
Raff

#41 3 years ago

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I was wrong about the coils at the match unit they are good the only problems left on this machine is the coil at the spinner unit locks up when a game is started and no score at the left spinner and right spinner I put some photos up maybe someone has rewired it wrong.
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Raff

#42 3 years ago

Hey Djreddog
Sorry mate have anthore wire off at the ball count unit
Can you help out with some photos at the coil lugs
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#43 3 years ago

Here you go

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#44 3 years ago

Any luck?

#45 3 years ago

Thanks Djreddog
Wire is back on at ball count unit
Only problem left is the coil locking on at the spinner unit I have tried everything I don't know what else to do.
If anyone has any idea let me know.
Raff

3 weeks later
#46 3 years ago

FYI - if anyone needs the schematic for this game, the correct one is now uploaded to IPDB

https://www.ipdb.org/files/557/Playmatic_1976_Conquest_200_Schematic_Diagram_English_continuous.pdf

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