Even if it is not visible it does devalue the pin IMO. Usually you want to fix wear if it is too bad before installing the cliffy protectors. It would not prevent me from buying it but I would point it out and likely reduce my offer a bit. The playfield is one of the most important things to me when looking at buying a pin the cab fade never really bothers me.

Im with you TDA. The playfield is the most important to me and cabinet fade is probably the least. You cant see the sides when they are lined up anyway. But any broken piece, plain view or not, knaws at me until I cant stand it anymore and fix it.

I agree with the Dude, playfield condition is paramount and I don't much care about the cabinet art if the playfield is good. Any damage to it reduces the value, but obviously some more than others - a bit of wear a Cliffy covers up is fine with me, I accept that as normal now for machines that have had a hard working life, but I'd pay slightly more for one without that damage. Insert wear puts me right off any purchase, I'm a little more forgiving about touchups in invisible areas.

I just like when people put a cliffy on with out fixing the worn out hole before installing the protector. I see a ton of that practice going on to sell a game !

The cliffy with be wasted and bent to crap no time ! Cliffy do not fix the damage PF ever! They only cover up worn off art work and will prevent future use ! If I see a cliffy on any game I automatically assume it is a high mileage game .

Jim

Average machines have average wear. These are amusement devices that got abused and neglected for years. They are not museum pieces so if you go buy a machine for its average value, it will probably have an average amount of wear. Some of us land great deals, but pretty much any machine will have wear if you do a full tear down.

Even if a machine is properly maintained some designs lend to wear. Scoops close to the flippers tend to take a beating more so than ones on the upper half of the pf. At any rate it only affects the value if the wear is excessive for that particular type of machine.

In regards to cliffys some of us put them on their machines regardless of condition. It prevents wear, but also looks nice and adds value to the machine.

That being said I do not care if a machine has wear that is covered by cliffys as long as it was done right. Whoever put one on my newest acquisition used putty, but did not file it correctly so the cliffy is bent. I will eventually take it out, file it flat, and install a new cliffy. If I ever do let this particular machine go the buyer will not complain that it has wear. If they do, they can take a hike.

An averaged-priced game with Cliffy's (showing no wear outside the Cliffy) would be no big deal--and would not reduce the value.

But obviously, high dollar games would have Mantis protectors vs. Cliffy's--or they'd have the hyper-thin Blackline Cliffy's with little to zero wear prior to installation; and photos prior to the installation.

I don't care if you disagree with your one time observation !! I have seen many times on many games !

Jim

LOL You are a big baller with your big A title collection aren't you !

Wowwwwwwwwww....
It sounds like everyone could use a little late night snack.

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Waffles anyone???

All this over cliffy protectors ... , lets play some pinball!

Nimble - a completely random picture always lightens the mood around here

Really ? You took my real advice and turned into junk with your one time no play game that you sold and have zero idea on what it looks like now ,right ?

Who's the troll? You are just pissed because I think your CV is nowhere near the value of a AFM !

Get over yourself already !

Nice one NimblePin!

I am talking about the troll comment. My info on the cliffy wasn't intended or directed at you ,it was info for people who might not know . You dissed on good info and I am sure cliffy would agree with me if ask !

I am not a tool but I do like the band ! Any other names you would like to call me ? I can take it !

Jim

wow

Then don't start it next time ! My post was to educate not to irritate !

I am sure you are a great guy and sometimes text can come across as harsh . Sorry if I rubbed you the wrong way ! After all we are both pinheads .

Jim