It didnt do it before I waxed it.

I remember your thread on this issue, didn't new rubbers fix the problem?

That is a classic sign of the wrong rubber (too large diameter ring) or old rubber.

Williams would not tell you to wax a playfield so that the game would go out of service.

It eventually got better but I already had new rubbers on it.The slings on that thing are strong.Maybe I got wax on the rubbers but I dont think so.

Changing out the pinballs in the game often will help prevent pf wear.

Probably the wrong rubber.

Oftentimes a vendor that puts the rubber kits together will not have an odd size (lets say the 2-3/8") so they will put a 2-1/2" in the kit.

This will be too loose.

Also, make sure you have the correct star posts around your slings - over the years operators may have put in anything they had on the truck.

You are so right.

I examine the balls every time I have the glass off for nicks.

I replace them every year, or before and after any expo where I put a game in.

That must be it cause I know lots of people wax them and dont have the problems I have.

If this was RGP, I might agree. Here on Pinside, there is an abundance of noobs.

Stern doesn't recommend wax. That's the games I'm talking about. Don't wax your brand new Stern. I haven't seen any recommendation in my WMS games for wax. I'll look again.

Again, there isn't many folks here who play in tournaments here. This is pinside. Not RGP2. My Ripley's is being used in the tournament at CAX this weekend. I didn't wax it and I've had nothing but compliments on the game. I've been bringing games to the CAX tournament for years and I think the only one I ever waxed was a tired old Taxi.

I don't think Simple Green would be a problem, but it's not the best choice for the playfield (although I do use it for plastics). I use ZEP citrus degreaser for the playfield. It will clean the playfield and remove old wax. Some people use Alcohol or Naptha for the same reason. In any case spray the cleaner onto your towel not onto the playfield. Wipe it dry when you're done.

Brasso, or anything like that, works fine for metal habitrails or you can use Nevr-Dull (Walmart sells it), which also works better than anything I've found on gun metal blue ramp flaps.

I have the WH2O manual right now on my desk and on page 1-38 it states: Playfield Wax or any Carnauba based wax....

That is how WMS intended their games to play. Fast and slick. Get used to it.

So you think that the noobs are buying $7000 brand new Sterns?

Week after next, I'm going to ask Steve Ritchie personally if he designed AC/DC to have a waxed playfield.

What does everyone here think his answer will be? LOL

This is the stuff I use. The Collinite marine wax listed above is also excellent.
This XXX from Chemical Guys is 47% pure carnauba and one of the longest lasting waxes I've tried.
It also applies and comes off way better than any junk I've bought from a big box store.

http://www.chemicalguys.com/Nr_1_Grade_Yellow_Carnauba_Automotive_Paste_Wax_p/wac_301.htm

If I've just clearcoated a playfield, or on a brand new game, I also apply Chemical Guys Top Coat Sealant and then I layer 2-3 layers of the XXX wax over top of that. This stuff actually bonds to the clear and gives you maximum protection. No help with divots though you gotta let that clearcoat cure to minimize that type of damage.

As for making the game play differently. I just think it makes the game play like new
You certainly want your ball to roll over the playfield and not glide, but that's usually gone in 10-15 games. A couple of coats of this stuff should last you a lot longer than that.

Absolutely. I see threads on it all the time.

Absolutely... rich noobs, but noobs nonetheless
This hobby is becoming more and more elitist and that's bringing in a whole other kind of enthusiast/collector who's got money but not the skills or experience to maintain or repair a pin. That equals $7000 NIB.

So do I, but I just don't picture them being the majority, but maybe they are.

Sure I didn't mean that.

No offense taken!

If you would rather not have new money coming in to the industry... well nvm, us noobs are addicted and aren't going anywhere

Will a heavy degreaser like a good-b-gone product wreck a play surface?

Really, there is no need for such a heavy cleaner.

Some Novus #1 is good to just do a quick wipe down. Spray it on a lint free cotton cloth (not directly on the playfield) and wipe. Make sure you clean the in and out lanes.

Any dirt or grit left will accelerate playfield wear.

Are you going to ask if there's a difference in his opinion between routed games and low use HUO games?

Be sure to tell him phish says hi (we used to be neighbors). Ask him how I saved his ass during Spidey. It's a funny story.

On the advice of the guy who sold me his CFTBL, I only use Gemini CP-100. It was designed by a chemist to clean and polish pinball playfields. I just wish Terry at PBL would pick it up. Marco sells it.

No wax. My pins are not on location, not exposed to sunlight, don't need wax.

No, of course not.

I'm only going to ask if he designed AC/DC to be played with a waxed playfield.

Our questions have been answered:

Q:

Steve, Do you recommend waxing the playfields on new Sterns like AC/DC? The Stern site say just to use Novus 2, but nothing about finishing up with wax. My instinct says "Of course, wax that playfield!" , but what says the master? Thank you very much, Vadeem

A:

Wax it with a good carnauba car wax. It must be done carefully. Don't get the wax down in holes or on parts you don't want to wax. It works very well and will help keep your playfield nice. Take care and enjoy!

Steve

Lol, yes and a bunch of them : o

This stuff has been used for years..........

Mill Wax

http://www.pinballheaven.co.uk/shop/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=wax&osCsid=5aca1db67d31f7c18f5f25ae720bd755&x=0&y=0

I do it between 400-500 games. That's about 3-4 months worth at my house.

Rubber every year. It degrades just from being exposed to oxygen and ozone. Rubber is cheap - do it.

Balls every year, but inspect them every time you have glass off. Any scratches nicks or chips and they all get replaced. I always replace balls before and after any expos - you get a lot of plays over those 4 days! Balls are cheap ($1.50 for the super polished) do it.

Cleaning any time you have the glass off, home use every 3 months. I know it's work, but be sure to clean and wax your in and out lanes - you don't want to wear through the paint in these locations. Pay extra attention to where a ball drops from a ramp or out of a hole. Extra wax or even a Mylar spot or Cliffy.

in addition to what Tommi_Gunn stated above, I always perform a cursory check of the flipper rubbers when you start up my machine. flipper rubbers that are getting dirty fast are an indication that [abrasive] dirt particles are sitting on your playfield.

it's not only a good idea to change out the flipper rubbers, but check your pinballs for chips and cuts and give your playfield a good wipeout down with novus 1 (or what have you).