If a player's pin = aiming + (control or flow) + planning then other games would only require flailing. I'd say that a player's pin also needs to be particularly unforgiving of mistakes, i.e. brutal. Given this, I wouldn't classify WH20 or TZ as player's pins. Would add IM and probably Metallica to the list though.

To a certain extent ALL machines require planning, aiming and ball control i feel. Out of the 5 machines i currently own i would say STTNG is the one that stands out in this category. JD for all it's fun and speed is probably more in the flailing area (especially playing the Super Game option), BOP doesn't have a huge amount of shots to make (don't get me wrong, i still LOVE it), The Getaway is probably closer to STTNG than the others with RFM just behind it.

I've never heard "players game" used this way - that term is usually used to describe condition, meaning aesthetically poor but well playing.

Have to disagree about JD being flailing. There is really not much to be gained by just smacking balls around in that game. I've seen most people try the game do that, and not much happens for them. To play the game well requires that you hit the crime scenes to get extra balls, and to hit the small loop which takes a lot of practice and skill to get the timing right. When the only crime scene left is on the small loop a person just flailing at balls is very unlikely to ever get it and reset the crime scenes. The game is all about racking up crime scenes and if you can't hit all those shots consistently you are going nowhere.

You can smack the balls around in any game, especially one with big multiballs, but to get big scores and long games requires a lot of skill in JD. I definitely agree with Dracula, Twilight Zone, and The Shadow.

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Eh?
-mof

Wouldn't it be easier to discuss those that don't?