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Pinsound- TZ multiple mixes?

By mamemaster

5 years ago


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#1 5 years ago

Hey there- I just got my Pinsound for TZ, and was wondering if I can load up the three mixes I want at the same time on the USB stick- will the machine will unzip and install by itself all 3?

Or do I need to do them 1 by 1 ? i.e.- install 1, then go to 2 then finally 3?

Anyone have any experience with that?

Thanks in advance.

#2 5 years ago

I have 5 or 6 mixes on my TZ pinsound card. When I tried loading more than 1 zip at time it only uncompressed one of them. The next time I turned the machine on it did the other.

A couple mixes I loaded on as the uncompressed wav files which then instantly load if you know how to do it that way.

#3 5 years ago

got it- sounds like I can just do it 3 times then...thanks!

#4 5 years ago
Quoted from AndHart120:

I have 5 or 6 mixes on my TZ pinsound card. When I tried loading more than 1 zip at time it only uncompressed one of them. The next time I turned the machine on it did the other.
A couple mixes I loaded on as the uncompressed wav files which then instantly load if you know how to do it that way.

Were these mixes you did yourself? I seem to recall only 3 or 4 posted to the Pinsound boards. Or am I mistaken?

#5 5 years ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

Were these mixes you did yourself? I seem to recall only 3 or 4 posted to the Pinsound boards. Or am I mistaken?

There are a couple I messed around with just to try out some stuff for fun.

1. Original
2. Granner
3. Horror Show
4. Kitzrow Mix
5. Granner w/ Golden Earring
6. Granner w/ Swords of Fury themes

#6 5 years ago

I really fancy trying one of these boards. I may try it in the Doctor Who first. How are you guys finding them? better to hear from the horses mouth as it were - no facial comparisons intended.

#7 5 years ago

The board itself is awesome - the designers obviously put a lot of time into simplifying as much as possible for the lay user (I.e. If you aren't used to editing sound files)

The sound quality is great, and is grestly enhanced by a speaker upgrade. The doctor who mixes I have heard are BRILLIANT. ONce I finally get one that's the first change I am making. Right now I only have a pinsound in my TZ so that I can use the original Granner DCS mix. I like it a lot. I do wish there were better mixes, though. The one the_wool posted for the creature recently is really really good

My point is the board is great but the overall effect really depends on the mix you have at hand.

#8 5 years ago

Once the Pinsound board is installed can the volume still be controlled using the coin door buttons?

#9 5 years ago
Quoted from marspinball:

Once the Pinsound board is installed can the volume still be controlled using the coin door buttons?

There may be a mod for this like there is for the WoZ, but the default installation is that you control the volume through the inner door buttons, same as any other W/B machine

#10 5 years ago

Frankly it seems like these were built around the TZ Granner mix. But with that said- they did just connect with Planetary Pinball with permissions to update all Williams/Bally machines officially.

I'm hopeful more high quality mixes are coming eventually.

Between this and the color DMD these are some amazing upgrades to a 20 + year old machine modernizing them quite a bit.

#11 5 years ago

Did you also upgrade the speakers?

Curious to do this upgrade sooner than later.

#12 5 years ago
Quoted from arcadenerd925:

Did you also upgrade the speakers?
Curious to do this upgrade sooner than later.

I did. The factory sub is pretty much worthless after you install pinsound. This sound board is powerful enough to run an 8-inch subwoofer maybe more.... I think with the 2.1 stereo connection you can run a cross-over on the sub and only push low frenquency to the sub and mids/high to the backbox. I really like the fact you can increase the treble and bass on the board itself. Pinsound is awesome! If you have an external sub hooked up it probably doesn't matter much.

#13 5 years ago
Quoted from Bwilson:

I did. The factory sub is pretty much worthless after you install pinsound. This sound board is powerful enough to run an 8-inch subwoofer maybe more.... I think with the 2.1 stereo connection you can run a cross-over on the sub and only push low frenquency to the sub and mids/high to the backbox. I really like the fact you can increase the treble and bass on the board itself. Pinsound is awesome! If you have an external sub hooked up it probably doesn't matter much.

PinSound is also offering a *really* good set of coaxial speakers and woofer as replacements to the original set - I just ordered some for my TZ (which I am now thinking about selling... WTF is wrong with me), I have not heard them yet but they are - from a technical standpoint - superior to the Flipper Fidelity and Pinball Pro speakers. The main selling point with those is the better wiring and crossover to the sub, separating the backbox and cabinet by frequency. The PinSound speakers can offer true balanced stereo sound and have a dedicated midrange and tweeter in the backbox, which should greatly improve the quality.

Now if somebody could just get a Rod Serling impressionist to re-record the callouts...

#14 5 years ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

PinSound is also offering a *really* good set of coaxial speakers and woofer as replacements to the original set - I just ordered some for my TZ

We are looking forward to hearing from you and your feedback about our new speakers kits

Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

Now if somebody could just get a Rod Serling impressionist to re-record the callouts...

That would be amazing! If you know someone who can do this, let me know!

Quoted from marspinball:

Once the Pinsound board is installed can the volume still be controlled using the coin door buttons?

Yes of course. Actually, there are 2 levels of settings: volume from the usual coin door buttons and also onto the PinSound board, with the equalizers.

#15 5 years ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

Now if somebody could just get a Rod Serling impressionist to re-record the callouts...

Can't find originals? Maybe youtube?

#16 5 years ago

Hrmmmm, maybe a gofundme to hire a voice actor to do the call outs? plausible maybe, haha. I bet it wouldnt cost too much.

https://www.voices.com/
https://voicebunny.com/
http://voice123.com/

#17 5 years ago
Quoted from arcadenerd925:

Hrmmmm, maybe a gofundme to hire a voice actor to do the call outs? plausible maybe, haha. I bet it wouldnt cost too much.
https://www.voices.com/
https://voicebunny.com/
http://voice123.com/

I sort of meant that as a joke - I'm a professional voice actor and I do a pretty damn good Rod - just for fun, but still... I'm no Mark Silverman but maybe I'll give a couple of call outs a try , I've been meaning to do that for a while

#18 5 years ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

I sort of meant that as a joke - I'm a professional voice actor and I do a pretty damn good Rod - just for fun, but still... I'm no Mark Silverman but maybe I'll give a couple of call outs a try , I've been meaning to do that for a while

Let us hear it!!!!

#19 5 years ago

Are the Rod Serling callouts missing from the HD Chris Granner mix?

#20 5 years ago
Quoted from marspinball:

Are the Rod Serling callouts missing from the HD Chris Granner mix?

They are there - but the callouts are noticeably poor quality; in other words they are still 8-bit resolution where the Pinsound can do CD quality sound. Imagine if you were watching twilight zone and the music and effects sound good, but every time Rod Serling said anything, he said it from behind a closed door, under a blanket, with a sore throat and whilst a vacuum was running.

There is a CFTBL mix posted by pinside member the_wool in which he had someone re-record the callouts. The New callouts change the way the callouts are spoken which I didn't love, but the overall quality is astounding.

Give me a couple of days to wrap some stuff up; I have some song demos I need to finish but I will give it a shot

#21 5 years ago

Yeah I would be interested to hear, why not give it a shot!

#22 5 years ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

The board itself is awesome - the designers obviously put a lot of time into simplifying as much as possible for the lay user (I.e. If you aren't used to editing sound files)
The sound quality is great, and is grestly enhanced by a speaker upgrade. The doctor who mixes I have heard are BRILLIANT. ONce I finally get one that's the first change I am making. Right now I only have a pinsound in my TZ so that I can use the original Granner DCS mix. I like it a lot. I do wish there were better mixes, though. The one the_wool posted for the creature recently is really really good
My point is the board is great but the overall effect really depends on the mix you have at hand.

I 100% agree with this- the installation is so easy it's stupid- and it's one of the most professionally designed/packed etc mods I've ever seen.

It instantly modernizes the machine....really pretty amazing work.

#23 5 years ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

They are there - but the callouts are noticeably poor quality; in other words they are still 8-bit resolution where the Pinsound can do CD quality sound. Imagine if you were watching twilight zone and the music and effects sound good, but every time Rod Serling said anything, he said it from behind a closed door, under a blanket, with a sore throat and whilst a vacuum was running.
There is a CFTBL mix posted by pinside member the_wool in which he had someone re-record the callouts. The New callouts change the way the callouts are spoken which I didn't love, but the overall quality is astounding.
Give me a couple of days to wrap some stuff up; I have some song demos I need to finish but I will give it a shot

Had some gigs I had to do, may get to this tomorrow - if not, it will be this weekend! finally have a free weekend

#24 5 years ago

I have the Pinsound board ready for my TZ. Before installing I decided to upgrade the original speakers. I see Pinsound now carries upgraded speakers. Was going to originally order a set from flipper fidelity. Has anyone done a comparison between the two.

Also still deciding on which mix to use. Since I have had my TZ for 21 years I'm opting for the most original version.

#25 5 years ago
Quoted from marspinball:

I have the Pinsound board ready for my TZ. Before installing I decided to upgrade the original speakers. I see Pinsound now carries upgraded speakers. Was going to originally order a set from flipper fidelity. Has anyone done a comparison between the two.
Also still deciding on which mix to use. Since I have had my TZ for 21 years I'm opting for the most original version.

Do the DCS (Granner) version. The sound quality is much much better.

I have FF in my monster bash and installing the Pinsound speakers in my doctor Who tonight. It won't be a perfect comparison, but from a technical standpoint, the Pinsound speakers are way way higher quality. The FF speakers sound great but much of this is because of the crossover and their ability to balance the treble in the back box with the cabinet's bass. I expect the Pinsound speakers to be a huge difference.

Will do a more scientific test (I.e. Using the same game) tomorrow

2 years later
#26 3 years ago

Has anyone ripped new call outs from original source show material in higher quality for Pinsound?

#27 3 years ago
Quoted from Bos98:

Has anyone ripped new call outs from original source show material in higher quality for Pinsound?

yep

#28 3 years ago

What mix are they in?

I downloaded 5 and they are all original call outs of low quality.

Thanks!

#29 3 years ago
Quoted from Bos98:

What mix are they in?
I downloaded 5 and they are all original call outs of low quality.
Thanks!

I think the ones available on the PinSound forums are all just the originals. I made a custom mix with callouts from the show, new recordings and new music clips pulled from the show (1st and 5th seasons). Haven't released it - maybe in a month or so! I've just not had the time to finish and get all the volumes set right

1 month later
#30 2 years ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

I think the ones available on the PinSound forums are all just the originals. I made a custom mix with callouts from the show, new recordings and new music clips pulled from the show (1st and 5th seasons). Haven't released it - maybe in a month or so! I've just not had the time to finish and get all the volumes set right

Hi, any update on this? Very interested in the DCS with Golden Earing and especially if better Rod Serling callouts are included!

Appreciate your time on this to help the community!

#31 2 years ago

That’s cool! I’d like to try that out as well. I did my own mix using the Golden Earring song as well as a lot of other familiar songs. I used parts of the Granner mix as well as one of the other mixes that was available. I really like how it turned out!

#32 2 years ago

What would these callouts have originally been recorded onto? Presumably they must have existed as a high quality master somewhere on tape or whatever?

Granted no one is going to be able to turn 8-bit mono output from the WPC boards into anything resembling CD quality clarity, but if there is a master somewhere and PPS have access to it?.....

#33 2 years ago
Quoted from awesome1:

Hi, any update on this? Very interested in the DCS with Golden Earing and especially if better Rod Serling callouts are included!
Appreciate your time on this to help the community!

Haven't touched it in a year now - I should just upload it so someone else can finish the tweaks!

#34 2 years ago
Quoted from Durzel:

What would these callouts have originally been recorded onto? Presumably they must have existed as a high quality master somewhere on tape or whatever?
Granted no one is going to be able to turn 8-bit mono output from the WPC boards into anything resembling CD quality clarity, but if there is a master somewhere and PPS have access to it?.....

There's definitely no way to improve the low-fidelity callouts that exist on the game, so you're right: the original source would be needed. I doubt those are available anywhere though. Chris Granner pulled the DCS music from a DAT he had found, but there's no mention of the sessions that Tim Kitzrow recorded his call outs

#35 2 years ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

Haven't touched it in a year now - I should just upload it so someone else can finish the tweaks!

I am down to help. Made a few mixes myself.

1 month later
#36 2 years ago

I am looking for the Chris Granner DCS version mixed with the golden earing song for my pinsound board. Who may help me, please?

1 week later
#37 2 years ago

I’m new to this topic but I’m about to buy PS+ and speakers. Isn’t it true that you can modify the Granner mix yourself by adding an MP3 (or whatever) of Golden Earring?

Edit: you’d have to break it up into chunks and you’d miss out on a good portion of the Granner music. So I’d be against this in my own machine. Having listened to the original DCS music that was released 4 years ago I’m so excited to have learned about this!

#38 2 years ago
Quoted from AndHart120:

That’s cool! I’d like to try that out as well. I did my own mix using the Golden Earring song as well as a lot of other familiar songs. I used parts of the Granner mix as well as one of the other mixes that was available. I really like how it turned out!

Please make available for download. I'd be happy to give it a try!

1 month later
#39 2 years ago

Finally got my Pinsound delivered from backorder and wired my aftermarket speakers for the true Stereo 2.1...

Anyone have any custom mixes (prefer Granner with Golden Earring and improved Rod Serling callouts... that would be awesome!) that aren't on the Pinsound page that you could share for us to try?

Thank you!

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