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Pinsound: LOTR Wool Movie Mix


By thewool

1 year ago



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#151 5 months ago
Quoted from November:

Still a lot work to do but...

Wow, sounds great!!!!

LOTR is my next Pinsound pin.

two questions

1) are you going to post your Mix when done?

2) what speakers are you using?

thx
Sully

#152 5 months ago

Its the wool mix with some changes.
I would like To share when its done, but i made a huge changes of volume/gain , so i dont really know how it Will sound on an other machine...

I use the pinsound speakers kit

#153 5 months ago
Quoted from November:

Its the wool mix with some changes.
I would like To share when its done, but i made a huge changes of volume/gain , so i dont really know how it Will sound on an other machine...
I use the pinsound speakers kit

Indeed, I'd love to test your volume/gain changes. Please post it when you are ready.

#154 5 months ago

Slightly ot but is there a mix with the original pinball sounds and music, just updated from the movie soundtrack? In other words, I want it to sound “like” my original lotr but upgraded quality, etc.

Wool mix is amazing btw. Sometimes I just want the original sounds but better quality.

#155 5 months ago
Quoted from November:

Received my pinsound kit yesterday and install all the stuff.
It works pretty good, the main problem is the volume balance between some of songs and the FX.
All the originals sounds are very low volume compared to te rest.
The shelob mission music is very high volume for example.
Can somebody confirm that is a problem only with the pinsound PLUS ?
Thanks

FYI, I had the same issue, but there is a sound effects adjustment for the machine itself and I lowered it and it sounds better. Not perfect, but definitely better.

#156 5 months ago
Quoted from Rensh:

Can tell you from personal experience that the Wool mix with latest Pinsound firmware on a Pinsound plus has sound when the ball is still in shooterlane. This for first and more balls.

That’s weird, I have everything installed and still nothing. Works fine on all the other mixes, so it’s not a wire or anything with my machine. Huh, no idea not a biggie. Out of curiosity, what’s the sound effect used?

#157 5 months ago
Quoted from FlipsMcgee:

That’s weird, I have everything installed and still nothing. Works fine on all the other mixes, so it’s not a wire or anything with my machine. Huh, no idea not a biggie. Out of curiosity, what’s the sound effect used?

Main theme sound. Just like you get when first switch is hit. We had the same issue till last firmware update.

#158 4 months ago

Try the hawknole LOTR remix too. It’s great!!

#159 4 months ago
Quoted from Jimmyhonda:

Try the hawknole LOTR remix too. It’s great!!

Any video of it and where it can be downloaded?

#160 4 months ago
Quoted from Rensh:

Any video of it and where it can be downloaded?

http://bfy.tw/Lv1D

#162 4 months ago

Hi all,

For those of you in my boat, who want to experience the Wool mix (and other mixes that are posted) but are having issues due to the pinsound+ (2.0) board, and its LOUD OVERPOWERING music, I have some interesting information.

Here are my specifics...

I just received and installed my Pinsound+ card, as well as the Pinsound speakers (2 small, and the sub). I used the stereo kit, and all went well with my installation.

I could only find 2 options in the game settings that affect volume, and have these set to the following (please let me know if I missed any other setting that could effect this):

37 Bkground Music - I have this set to 1(min) (though I did try changing to 15 (max), and it didn't affect things to much, only a subtle difference either way).
26 Allow Volume Effects - I have this set to 0 (off)

I have the latest firmware installed in the pinsound+ card, as well as in my LOTR LE (it shipped with the latest firmware).

I will paste the complete Pinsound+ self diagnostic at the end.

I played a game, and heard what I am used to with the WOOL mix. It sounds amazing until you start some modes, or get some music going. The easiest thing to test on is TWO TOWERS MB. When I start that MB, the music gets loud pretty quick. I start making jackpots, but the gimli callouts (jackpot1, jackpot 2, etc, etc) are almost inaudible. Other times when you hear no sound FX are in gandalf/saruman, shelob, and lots of other modes and multiballs (though Shelob and G/S are really bad).

My guess is that the music is gain is way too loud, in relation to all the other sounds of the game, and it just overpowers the FX callouts.

During the above game, I used the PSREC (pinsound recording feature) and loaded it up to review it.

Interestingly enough, the mix when I listen back to it in software is GREAT. During the TT multiball, for example, I can hear Gimli just fine with his Jackpot calls. The music no longer drowns out the sound FX, and it is a much better experience.

This one test, to me (correct me if I am wrong) seems to be proof that something not right with the Pinsound+ (2.0) boards, and their mixing when music is going. I have no problem changing gains to my personal liking, but this is something else entirely.

To make sure that the WOOL mix was not an anomaly, I also tried the HAWKNOLE mix, with the same test. Again, the same result. The music drowns out the sound FX, but it sounds fine when i re-listed to the game through Pinsound Software.

I am hoping that this can get looked at by Pinsound, and hopefully a firmware fix can be created. Otherwise, I do not see how I can accurately tune the mix using software, if it is going to sound completely different after loading.

Pinsound, if you are listening, let me know if you would like me to get video of the above (for both playback, and the game audio itself, so that you can see what I am talking about. I have no issues doing so, and can post youtube links here, or send you files, etc.

Lastly, I wanted to thank WOOL and HAWKNOLE, and everyone that has shared their time in creating these mixes. It is so worth the upgrade $$$, assuming I can get this issue figured out. Hopefully we can get this resolved, and there will be a bunch more orders for Pinsound 2.0 boards!

Thanks for reading!

Chris

-= PinSound Self Diagnosis =-

HARDWARE MODEL
------------------
PLUS

HARDWARE REVISION
------------------
2.3

HPS EXTERNAL VOLUME
------------------
100%

INTERNAL FIRMWARE REVISION
------------------
0072

PINSOUND FIRMWARE VERSION
------------------
18.12.3

POTENTIOMETERS
------------------
EQ SUB BASS 52%
EQ BASS 51%
EQ MEDIUM 51%
EQ TREBLE 49%
SUB BOOSTER 54%
HEADPHONES STATION GAIN 50%

POWER SUPPLIES
------------------
5V MEASURED: 4944mV (expected range: 4700mV - 5100mV)
[lowest 5V measured: 4877mV / highest 5V measured: 4981mV]

AMPLIFIER VOLTAGE MEASURED: 11778mV (expected range: 11000mV - 26000mV)
[lowest amplifier voltage measured: 11700mV / highest amplification voltage measured: 12624mV]

SERIAL NUMBER
------------------
164522ff1b0911

SOUND PACKAGES
------------------
Lord_Of_The_Rings_Original
LOTR_hawknole
The Wool v1 (active)

SYSTEM
------------------
WHITESTAR

USB DEVICES
------------------
Bus 003 Device 002: ID 13fe:4100 Kingston Technology Company Inc. Flash drive

1 week later
#163 4 months ago

I just ordered Pinsound for my LOTR, and will report back what happens with mine when installed.

Quoted from micro:

Hi all,
For those of you in my boat, who want to experience the Wool mix (and other mixes that are posted) but are having issues due to the pinsound+ (2.0) board, and its LOUD OVERPOWERING music, I have some interesting information.
Here are my specifics...
I just received and installed my Pinsound+ card, as well as the Pinsound speakers (2 small, and the sub). I used the stereo kit, and all went well with my installation.
I could only find 2 options in the game settings that affect volume, and have these set to the following (please let me know if I missed any other setting that could effect this):
37 Bkground Music - I have this set to 1(min) (though I did try changing to 15 (max), and it didn't affect things to much, only a subtle difference either way).
26 Allow Volume Effects - I have this set to 0 (off)
I have the latest firmware installed in the pinsound+ card, as well as in my LOTR LE (it shipped with the latest firmware).
I will paste the complete Pinsound+ self diagnostic at the end.
I played a game, and heard what I am used to with the WOOL mix. It sounds amazing until you start some modes, or get some music going. The easiest thing to test on is TWO TOWERS MB. When I start that MB, the music gets loud pretty quick. I start making jackpots, but the gimli callouts (jackpot1, jackpot 2, etc, etc) are almost inaudible. Other times when you hear no sound FX are in gandalf/saruman, shelob, and lots of other modes and multiballs (though Shelob and G/S are really bad).

USB DEVICES

2 weeks later
#164 3 months ago

So, installed a new Pinsound+ card. I also replaced the backbox speakers and have a powered subwoofer attached (tried both using line out and by jumpering from the cabinet speaker). Running the Wool Movie Mix. Pinsound told me that the line out is the preferred method for the subwoofer.

So far I am having all sorts of volume issues, as in many of the voices, sound effects, etc. are much louder than the other effects. I have added gain.txt to problem areas to either increase or lower the particular effect's volume. What I have found is that the cabinet speaker (even when I remove the subwoofer) is much louder than the backbox speakers, in relative terms. Even if I reduce the subwoofer boost dial to almost zero, it is still louder. In my Getaway, the same subwoofer dial is around 45%, compared to under 10% for LOTR.

What would cause the cabinet sound to be so much louder than the cabinet speakers? Is this a Pinsound card issue, or a mixing issue?

Quoted from jedi42:

I just ordered Pinsound for my LOTR, and will report back what happens with mine when installed.

#165 3 months ago
Quoted from jedi42:

So, installed a new Pinsound+ card. I also replaced the backbox speakers and have a powered subwoofer attached (tried both using line out and by jumpering from the cabinet speaker). Running the Wool Movie Mix. Pinsound told me that the line out is the preferred method for the subwoofer.
So far I am having all sorts of volume issues, as in many of the voices, sound effects, etc. are much louder than the other effects. I have added gain.txt to problem areas to either increase or lower the particular effect's volume. What I have found is that the cabinet speaker (even when I remove the subwoofer) is much louder than the backbox speakers, in relative terms. Even if I reduce the subwoofer boost dial to almost zero, it is still louder. In my Getaway, the same subwoofer dial is around 45%, compared to under 10% for LOTR.
What would cause the cabinet sound to be so much louder than the cabinet speakers? Is this a Pinsound card issue, or a mixing issue?

So your powered subwoofer is to powerful? Have you tried using the speaker inputs instead of the line inputs on the subwoofer? I guess a powered subwoofer is normally around 100-150w of power, while the pinsound card outputs about 10-15w, so the good old multiply watt X10 to get a perceived doubling of loudness is right I suppose.

And is the speaker in the cabinet 2, 4, 6 or 8 ohm? That makes a lot of difference in output

#166 3 months ago

Sorry, no the issue is the cabinet speaker. The subwoofer I can adjust on the unit itself. The cabinet speaker is stock, I think 4 ohms, but I may be misrememberingg that.

Quoted from Hazzard:

So your powered subwoofer is to powerful? Have you tried using the speaker inputs instead of the line inputs on the subwoofer? I guess a powered subwoofer is normally around 100-150w of power, while the pinsound card outputs about 10-15w, so the good old multiply watt X10 to get a perceived doubling of loudness is right I suppose.
And is the speaker in the cabinet 2, 4, 6 or 8 ohm? That makes a lot of difference in output

#167 3 months ago
Quoted from jedi42:

Sorry, no the issue is the cabinet speaker. The subwoofer I can adjust on the unit itself. The cabinet speaker is stock, I think 4 ohms, but I may be misrememberingg that.

I would try switching your woofers, and see if the problem changes.

#168 3 months ago

There have been many sound clip balance issues listed by people for different reasons. I have held off for years buying a Pinsound board because of it. I took the plunge in December based on conversations I had with Hawkhole about the work he did with the Pinsound+ to adjust the sound file levels individually. Aside from just one or two little things that I noticed being a louder than the others, I feel he absolutely nailed it. All I did was install the board, the sound file and boot it up with no changes to any settings and all volumes at the mid point. I already had both the full FF speaker kit as well as an external subwoofer added to the game.

I would try the other mixes and see what you get out of it.

#169 3 months ago

So, an update, and question if others have had the following issue. What I have found is that when I boot LOTR, the sound level is not always the same. When I listen to the startup Pinsound chime, sometimes it is at normal level, other times it is way louder. To make sure I wasn't imagining it, I measures the level with a phone app, and on the times it is louder it is over 10 dB louder than normal and on volume level 1 it is too loud.

I also switched out the Pinsound card with one from another machine and same thing happens. Never had this occur on my Getaway.

Waiting for an answer back from Pinsound, but wondered if anyone has seen this before.

Quoted from Jarbyjibbo:

There have been many sound clip balance issues listed by people for different reasons. I have held off for years buying a Pinsound board because of it. I took the plunge in December based on conversations I had with Hawkhole about the work he did with the Pinsound+ to adjust the sound file levels individually. Aside from just one or two little things that I noticed being a louder than the others, I feel he absolutely nailed it. All I did was install the board, the sound file and boot it up with no changes to any settings and all volumes at the mid point. I already had both the full FF speaker kit as well as an external subwoofer added to the game.
I would try the other mixes and see what you get out of it.

3 months later
#170 3 days ago

I was about to buy a pinsound+ card until I saw this. Have these volume issues been resolved in the wool mix? What about hawknole?

#171 3 days ago

Not in mine dude sorry.

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