Who cares if he's sending you threats? There's nothing he can do about it. You're working on it for yourself. Block him, and continue doing what makes you happy.

Thanks for all your updates on what sounds like an fantastic project...

Classic.

Don't say it's so. Don't give in to threats that cannot be backed up.

Agreed he's full of shit...you're in Europe he couldn't touch you even if he wanted to. Also for future reference if you're working on a mod of any Bally Williams stuff put it up on an anonymous file sharing service and ask for bitcoin donations.

I'm scared. I have PPS intellectual property linked up in my collection right now! Should I remove the games from my list just in case?

What I find funny is that the party that is claiming the rights knows that they wouldn't even be able to redistribute the reworked sound files anyway as those right wouldn't be included in the original license agreement with Bally/Williams to Lucasfilm.

The pinball community is small enough that we don't need to carve up fiefdoms inside the hobby. If the work of fellow enthusiasts make a 20 year old machine have new value and thus potentially increase the demand for the machine to a new generation and thus opening up continued revenue on maintaining support for that originally purchased IP... you'd think that would be a thing that the IP owner would want to encourage.

All I know is that the Pinsound tech has breathed new life into these old machines. That should be a good thing for everyone to celebrate and benefit from.

It will be interesting when the MMR colorization hits the torrents.

I really hate hearing this news as I was seriously thinking about buying a Pinsound Board for my IJ.

Hopefully something can be worked out. Indiana Jones is my favorite pin, and the first three films are my favorite films of all time.

Don't throw in the towel, don't give into hate...

Regardless of what is going I just wanted to post and say the work you did on IJ is incredible.

I just got my Pinsound and started to convert my GnR - no where near as big of a challenge but I now understand on a very small scale the work you did.

My hat's off to you sir. Amazing job. You are a very talented sound person. I'm buying a Pinsound for my IJ because you did this soundtrack.

Sounds like Rick is taking the joy out of pinball for his own $$$ interest. He seems to be trying to bust balls everywhere. People will stop creating great things for pinball if this continues.
GREED
Does he have us all by the balls?

Thank you Endprodukt for trying to make pinball better for the community!

It falls under fair use laws anyway. Rick, don't be a jerk. You know it does. Ask the Supreme Court. I own the pin and the blu Rays so I own the sounds in it for myself. Check the law.

Hard to imagine what kind of case he has when Endprodukt wasn't charging any money for it. It was a hobbyist improving a product and sharing it with friends for free. I would think that would be a slam dunk in court.

I can see his argument in court now...

Rick: Uhh, your honor. Endprodukt made my product better and as a result I sold more replacement parts. Can you please stop him from infringing on my IP?
Judge: GTFO of here before I smack my gavel upside your head.

Lol. Well, go man go. Best wishes.

Well damn, I get all excited to hear the IJ version of the pinsound and came here to find out that rick was here.

Fair Use US Laws only apply to those in the US. You can do as you wish, don't let him trick you.

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Imagine how wonderful life would be if copyright would be limited to 5 years.

So glad that these copyrights were bought from Gene allowing someone to ruin -save- the hobby for us.

Not defending Rick's actions by any stretch of the imagination but,

I recall Wayne being similarly aggressive on protecting IP. Wonder if this is part of Williams' contract? That would suck.

Just discovered this thread. Read through it thinking I'm about to order a Pinsound board. Then.........

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Top.. Men..

FYI - Rick had a tantrum and deactivated his pinside account yesterday.

Where was the tantrum?

Well, this particular tantrum started about here:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/announce-whitewater-foil-topper-decal-reproduction/page/15#post-2977264

You should see the size of my ears... It would make sense...

Strange things are happening in the pinworld. For some reason PPS (Rick) got bashed because he could not help it that someone sold crappy (or none) WW toppers under the PPS license. Of course he was limited in what he could do. If Disney new all the crappy Star wars items get around now, I wonder if they check. So I support him on that.
But on the other hand PPS was real fast on IP infringement when Endproduct used sounds for the IJ. Wonder if the sounds used are included in the IP from Williams? Sounds would be from the film owner or even Lucas Art? As Endprodukt took them from the movie. Also using pictures, sounds etc for own purposes is ok, as long as you are not making money with it. So the Mix from Endprodukt offered for free to the community via the pinsound forum, would fall into this category, PPS was wrong on that one. Or am i missing something here?
So it's hard to tell from this forum if PPS is right or wrong........

No...that made perfect sense. And why many couldn't understand why Rick was being so unreasonable.

Rick's reasonableness is irrelevant. If you're not breaking any laws in your country just do what you want and ignore him.

The really odd thing about the whole PPS situation is that having an improved audio experience for Indy Pin Adventure does nothing but increase the demand for a game that would then need parts and supplies that they do have the license for and are selling products of.

Most would think that would be something they would encourage.

My guess is that Rick isn't getting a cut of pinsound boards. Without quality re-orchestrations, pinsound doesn't sell very many boards.

I'm all for Rick defending his IP when appropriate - but I think he should back off of this one. The re-orchestrations are being shared for *FREE* and the author of the re-orchestration is not associated with pinsound.

Agreed on all points. Endprodukt and others are just improving the pinball ecosystem and that helps everyone. And they're doing a lot of awesome work for free.

Are you willing to share your lifeswork with other IJ fans now we hope we convinced you that 'a certain person who's name we can not say and is out of here' was talking Bullsh...?

You know there freedom of speech applies here. You can *say* anything you want.

The only things I'd want done would be pinball specific quotes. Like "shoot the right ramp" or stuff like that. Or possibly redo the ones in the game that have background noise or volume levels. I still think one of the best quotes in the movie is, "It's not the years, honey, it's the mileage". But he kinda mumbles that one so it doesn't get the props it deserves. Apparently Harrison ford wrote that line impromptu.

Oh, and I'd definitely redo "collect everything"

Amazing impersonations!

We never found out who actually did that quote - but I agree, it sounds a bit lacking for the importance of the upcoming task (ie 1 billion points). I think it'd be cool for Sallah to do that one - I wonder if AJ does Sallah as well?

Wow. That impersonator is the real deal!!!

"Beelzeboob is an idiot!"

There's obviously top men working on this.

Yes...but what worries me is how they say goodbye in Germany.