Pinsound Board Reviews? Anyone?

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Pinsound Board Reviews? Anyone?


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#1 4 years ago

The first batch of Pinsound cards sold out in October, and another round is set to ship in February. After hearing the great work Endprodukt has been doing with Indiana Jones, I'm excited to put one of these in when I get it back from a restoration. I think they've done reorchestrations for TZ and WH2O (correct me if I'm wrong), and there has to be quite a few people with these in their machines since they sold out their first batch.

Can anybody please post their thoughts about the product--the pros and cons--so that people know what they're getting into? It's a pricey mod, but from the outside looking in, looks to be well worth it.

#2 4 years ago

I just pre-ordered mine, I'm going to put it in my Judge Dredd. Once I get mine and have some time to play around with it, I'll give my thoughts on it.

The entire concept just really appeals to me. It's taking one of the coolest features of the new boards, like P-ROC, and applying it to existing games in a relatively simple manner...what's not to love?! I have a blown amp for my cab speaker on my JD, so I plan to put in the PS board and fix the amp on my factory board while it's out. Hopefully the money I make from selling the factory board will help offset the cost of the PS board. The price point is what I think will turn many people away from such an awesome product (awesome sounding, anyways, since I haven't tried it yet ).

#3 4 years ago

I'm interested in hearing more about these as well...does anyone know if they have a multiple purchase discount?
Dan

#4 4 years ago

I will do wh2o next. It has not been done. My reorchestration will include rerecorded original wet willy by Warren Davis himself.

I've done t2 (reorchestrated and OST) and Indy is almost done.

The Pinsound board is absolutely amazing and Timothee and Nicolas are constantly updating the firmware. Awesome features to expect in the future that I can't talk about too much.

#5 4 years ago

Just gotta jump in I reckon. I've been in on the feb run for a while. Tommy is about to get The Who original songs treatment. OMG I'm giddy.

..and then Stu's gonna do a playfield.. aaarrggghh I can't stand it!!!!

#6 4 years ago

A quick review:

I bought two pinsound cards from their website:
http://www.pinsound.org/

One for my DESW:

And one for my T2:

You receive the board, some adapters, an installation guide and a USB stick.

Installation is pretty straightforward.
Just make sure that you place the connectors and the flat cables right.
Here are some pictures of my DESW installation.
Old card
New card
New card

The audio remixes are downloaded here:
http://pinsound-community.org/

Place the zip file in an folder named "audio" on the USB stick and the card will unpack and convert the files if needed. This takes a bit of time but only happens once.

On the pinsound website there's also a nice tool to modify the audio packs.

So what is the difference?
Full stereo audio
Built in amplifier
Adjustment of bass/treble/balance for cab and backbox audio
Headphone/Line out
Possibility for multiple audio tracks

The multiple track feature is nice. You just add more packs to the audio folder and turn the volume to zero to swap between them. This means you can swap the original sound and the remixes on the fly.

You can change everything. Music tracks, call outs, whatever. Compared to pinballbrowser there's no limit regarding track length and sound quality.

And the support is great. If I have had any questions or suggestions for improvement I have had an answer back in a few days.

So I highly recommend the upgrade. As more people buys the card and more talented audio people starts working on new tracks it will only get better.

Regards
Finn

#7 4 years ago

This looks awesome. IJ has a ton of potential!

#8 4 years ago

Go to the IJ club, there is a preview.

#9 4 years ago

Looks like this is coming to TPF in March. Can't wait to check it out.

#10 4 years ago
Quoted from Endprodukt:

Go to the IJ club, there is a preview.

IJ club? Looked on Pinsound, couldn't get mp3's to work on iPhone.

#11 4 years ago

There is no preview of my Reorchestration on Pinsound.

Well, go here and scroll down

http://pinsound-community.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=9#entry112

#12 4 years ago

Thanks for all the good feedbacks.
Just wanted to add that the very same board is compatible with System11, WPC-89, WPC-DCS, WPC-95 and DataEast.

Check out few previews:

Don’t hesitate to stop at the PinSound booth at the Texas Pinball Festival 2015, at least 3 pinball machines equipped with PinSound will be on demo there!

1 week later
#13 4 years ago
Quoted from PinSound:

Thanks for all the good feedbacks.
Just wanted to add that the very same board is compatible with System11, WPC-89, WPC-DCS, WPC-95 and DataEast.
Check out few previews:
» YouTube video
Don’t hesitate to stop at the PinSound booth at the Texas Pinball Festival 2015, at least 3 pinball machines equipped with PinSound will be on demo there!

Any idea as to when round two of boards will be shipped?

#14 4 years ago

We should receive the second batch in about 10/15 days.
Once the boards are tested, we can ship them

#15 4 years ago
Quoted from indigocc:

The multiple track feature is nice. You just add more packs to the audio folder and turn the volume to zero to swap between them. This means you can swap the original sound and the remixes on the fly.

So technically you could put the funny roms and standard on a STTNG and have them on the game without having to flip chips?!

Interrrrresting...

#16 4 years ago

Love that there's not just a solution that is universal for many eras and brands, but customization as well. Will be interesting to see what people do with these as more get in the hands of people.

#17 4 years ago
Quoted from dmacy:

Love that there's not just a solution that is universal for many eras and brands, but customization as well. Will be interesting to see what people do with these as more get in the hands of people.

I'm hoping to give my JM a really sweet techno edge...fingers crossed!

#18 4 years ago

I've been thinking of getting once since October, but still having second thoughts -

First, does the board come with the sound package you ordered it for? Because trying to make your own from *standard* ROMs seems oddly incomplete. Some examples -
1. How do you create waves that only part loop? (Example - original ROM musics with 'intros'. Like WCS's drumbeat leading into main music.) You can't loop PART of a wave file/MP3.
2. Stripping them from M3 / 'Bridge' seems very poor, since it won't move past a music that loops unless you manually tell it to - this would require then having an audio software package on your system to edit the sound file down to a perfect loop.
3. The 'lists' file that they give you to download is missing a LOT of games. (Apparently, of all the games I've looked at, only WCS was in there. No JY or RS..)
4. Folder names - there's some horribly misspelled folders in the 'folder zip' files available for games. Most recently I was looking at JY, and saw 'player_on_is_a_soft_nudge'. Seriously, what's a soft nudge? It's "Player one is top notch". For all four players this is there like that. (And that's just one example of many).

Edit to add: No mention on any of the speaker upgrades whether the amp is expecting 4ohm or 8ohm speakers.

So not being able to easily change between games for STOCK sounds - based on what has to be done above - has put me off on getting one for now.

#19 4 years ago
Quoted from PinSound:

We should receive the second batch in about 10/15 days.
Once the boards are tested, we can ship them

Great!! I ordered one earlier this week...looking forward to installing in my T2 with the updated soundtrack.

#20 4 years ago
Quoted from Coyote:

1. How do you create waves that only part loop? (Example - original ROM musics with 'intros'. Like WCS's drumbeat leading into main music.) You can't loop PART of a wave file/MP3.

Sure, can you point a short video of this feature on your original machine?

Quoted from Coyote:

2. Stripping them from M3 / 'Bridge' seems very poor, since it won't move past a music that loops unless you manually tell it to - this would require then having an audio software package on your system to edit the sound file down to a perfect loop.

I invite you to have a look on the user created original and remix packages on the community forum, you will see that somes users already made this work.

Quoted from Coyote:

3. The 'lists' file that they give you to download is missing a LOT of games. (Apparently, of all the games I've looked at, only WCS was in there. No JY or RS..)

Only 7 machines are uncomplete (naming not complete) but it will be available shortly.

Quoted from Coyote:

4. Folder names - there's some horribly misspelled folders in the 'folder zip' files available for games. Most recently I was looking at JY, and saw 'player_on_is_a_soft_nudge'. Seriously, what's a soft nudge? It's "Player one is top notch". For all four players this is there like that. (And that's just one example of many).

The naming of the sounds was made 2 years ago by the community (not everyone is native english) , we would be very pleased if you shared with us your correction (to do so, simply send us the fixed zip containing the sound structure).

Quoted from Coyote:

Edit to add: No mention on any of the speaker upgrades whether the amp is expecting 4ohm or 8ohm speakers.
So not being able to easily change between games for STOCK sounds - based on what has to be done above - has put me off on getting one for now.

The board works with 4 and 8 ohm speakers, we add this to the documentation.
Furthermore, we recently added an accessory to get full stereo 2.1 on a WPC machine, either with stock speaker of upgraded one.

I confirm you that you can very easily switch from stock to remixed sounds during the game.

#21 4 years ago
Quoted from PinSound:

Sure, can you point a short video of this feature on your original machine?

Actually, I can't, since the only game I have is TZ, and it has none of these. However, a known example is WCS - at ball shoot, it plays address 0x3, which is named "Intro + Norm Main". There's a short intro, and then the main music starts playing - when it loops, it jumps back to not the beginning of the whole sound, but the beginning of Main. (i.e. It doesn't repeat the 'Intro' part.)

Quoted from PinSound:

I invite you to have a look on the user created original and remix packages on the community forum, you will see that somes users already made this work.

Only 7 machines are uncomplete (naming not complete) but it will be available shortly.

The naming of the sounds was made 2 years ago by the community (not everyone is native english) , we would be very pleased if you shared with us your correction (to do so, simply send us the fixed zip containing the sound structure).

Ah, okay - this is good to hear then, it would explain some of the things I've seen.

Before I send in any corrections, is there any reason to names folders with two keys? (i.e. in JunkYard, there's "000245-sameas-000243-laser_shutdown", as well as some others. Not sure if this is in error, or if this is something special the PinSound board does with it.)

Quoted from PinSound:

The board works with 4 and 8 ohm speakers, we add this to the documentation.

Okay, fantastic.

#22 4 years ago

Just wondering are the boards for DE or WPC games physically the same? For example if I buy one for TZ can I later put it in my DE SW?

#23 4 years ago
Quoted from Jgaltr56:

Just wondering are the boards for DE or WPC games physically the same? For example if I buy one for TZ can I later put it in my DE SW?

Yes, there is only one board: you simply use different connectors/holes for different machines.
It's the point, you can give a try with your TZ, IJ, T2 then switch to your SW, and later on to your Diner.
Have a look here: http://www.pinsound.org/mechanical-installation/

#24 4 years ago
Quoted from PinSound:

Yes, there is only one board: you simply use different connectors/holes for different machines.
It's the point, you can give a try with your TZ, IJ, T2 then switch to your SW, and later on to your Diner.
Have a look here: http://www.pinsound.org/mechanical-installation/

Awesome! Just ordered

#25 4 years ago
Quoted from Coyote:

Before I send in any corrections, is there any reason to names folders with two keys? (i.e. in junkyard, there's "000245-sameas-000243-laser_shutdown", as well as some others. Not sure if this is in error, or if this is something special the PinSound board does with it.)

Only the first number is important before the first dash (-).
In this very peculiar case, it's to inform the user that the sound at 245 is the same as 243, but theses 2 sounds need to be present on their respective folders.

1 week later
#26 4 years ago

Looks like the price on these just went up...glad I got my order in when I did!

#27 4 years ago

Um...looks like the price went down $60. Glad I'm still going to order...

#28 4 years ago

It's back down?...yesterday they were ~378, weird.

#30 4 years ago

Your killing me...I own both T2 and IJ, which game should I install my Pinsound in?

#31 4 years ago

Uhm... Both?

#32 4 years ago

Bravo man!!! I will be adding this to my WH20 and hopefully IJ. I am hoping CFTBL is the next machine on your list.

#33 4 years ago

If you buy me the CFTBL it would be but actually... I have no interest in doing machines I don't own. Too much work that no one could pay. Sorry. If I ever get that machine...I'll do it for sure as the soundtrack would be a lot of fun. Actually you could use a lot of the original music from that era.

#34 4 years ago

So, where does the original audio track for the game come from? Are they all pre-loaded on the Pinsound board?

#35 4 years ago
Quoted from Endprodukt:

If you buy me the CFTBL it would be but actually... I have no interest in doing machines I don't own...

Someone buy (or loan) Endprodukt a CFTBL.

Seriously, I understand we can make our own files. But I bet most people will buy a pinsound board ONLY if they honestly believe their machine will be supported with new audio files. CFTBL would be a fantastic game with upgraded audio!

BTW Endprodukt, thanks for working the IJ reorchestration. Your time and effort is appreciated.

#36 4 years ago

I can't even imagine the amount of work he put into IJ. Personally, I wouldn't do it myself. WAY too much time to do such a thing. So I think it's going to be a niche product for people who have machines where the files have been done for them. And I'm really glad IJ is one of them!

#37 4 years ago

It's the same with color dmd. The difference is that you can actually do something yourself with the pinsound board.

#38 4 years ago
Quoted from beelzeboob:

Um...looks like the price went down $60. Glad I'm still going to order...

Currently showing $339 on pinsound.org. But that's next to a struck-through $399, so not clear if this is the new price, or a temporary sale and the price will return to $399 at some point.

#39 4 years ago

The euro is down, maybe the new price reflects a change is the exchange rate.

#40 4 years ago
Quoted from Toucanf16:

The euro is down, maybe the new price reflects a change is the exchange rate.

I'm heading to Holland in March, so I'll hope that trend continues!

#41 4 years ago

I'm getting ready to pull the trigger and order 12 of these boards (good price with promotion [devaluated euro now?])

Great email comminication so far. They answer emails in quickey. Hope I get in on the February shipping!

#42 4 years ago

Hey! Leave some for the rest of us!!!

#43 4 years ago

Hi all.

I just published a big article and review abut the new version of the PinSound board (which should be available any day now) just a few minutes ago, with details of support for other hardware (like shaker motors) as well news about playing the original DCS version of the Twilight Zone music which was abandoned shortly before production.

If you're interested it's at: http://pavlovpinball.com/pinsound-review-a-sound-upgrade-that-transforms-your-pin/

Cheers,

Paul - Editor, pavlovpinball.com

#44 4 years ago

Paul, Great review..and has made me more excited to receive the Pinsound board I recently ordered. This product is gaining momentum...can't wait to get mine.
I've decided to put it in my T2, then purchase another (when I can afford it) in IJ.

#45 4 years ago

Thanks Aradedl.

Until you get the second one you can always put the mixes for both machines on one USB stick, and then just swap the PinSound board from one machine to the other and change mixes the appropriate machine.

#46 4 years ago

I installed it in my T2 and it's a world of difference better! Liked it so much that I just placed an order for my Getaway.

#47 4 years ago

Keep in mind that there is no reorchestration for hs2 yet.

Pavlov pinball reviewed the pinsound board and I'm also part of the interview. Check it out
http://pavlovpinball.com/pinsound-review-a-sound-upgrade-that-transforms-your-pin/

#48 4 years ago

I was an early adopter of the Pinsound board and got it awhile ago. I still have not installed it yet. I originally was going to put it in my pimped out Judge Dredd but now I have a new Twilight Zone and think I may put it in that instead. Can't decide yet.

#49 4 years ago
Quoted from PinRob:

I was an early adopter of the Pinsound board and got it awhile ago. I still have not installed it yet. I originally was going to put it in my pimped out Judge Dredd but now I have a new Twilight Zone and think I may put it in that instead. Can't decide yet.

TZ with the the new Granner DCS Soundfiles would be my choice.

#50 4 years ago

Does the t2 sound file support the profanity Roms when Arnold saids f you asshole?

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