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Pinside update November 2015


By robin

4 years ago



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    #1 4 years ago

    Wow, I can't believe it's been 5 months since the last update (the mobile (responsive) Pinside re-design). Pinside has become a lot more mobile and the analytics (site visitor statistics) show for it: mobile visits have gone up 20%. Job accomplished!

    Today a new update is being launched that has been 5 months in the making. Well okay, not really 5 months. There was some -much needed- holiday time too, plus I underwent some back surgery. No big deal, but it had me out of the running for a while.

    In other news, my brother Martijn has joined me to work on Pinside full time - helping me get my thoughts and ideas in order. He's the guy with a scrum background (that's a good thing!):

    Left: future plans, Center: Currently working on, Right: Finished/testing stuff.

    Martijn also helps out with brainstorming, coding, and managing financial aspects of Pinside (the company - yes Pinside is now a company!).

    Generally, we get along pretty well.

    robin-martijn-in-healthy-discussion.jpg

    Anyways, that was just a little background. Let's look at what this update brings us!

    BUG FIXES - BUG FIXES and more BUG FIXES
    Yes, lots of bugs were reported and many more were squashed! Not all, but we're doing our best making Pinside as bug free as possible.

    UI IMPROVEMENTS
    Lots of tweaks everywhere. Did you note that there are 6 new banner background images? Some of my favorite games have been included, can you spot which ones?

    MISSION STATEMENT
    Pinball is growing and so is Pinside. More people on Pinside is awesome but can sometimes also cause some problems. We try to accommodate as many of you as possible but all of it should fit the bigger picture that I have in mind. So what is that? Well, a friend of mine asked me recently if Pinside had a mission statement. A what? After giving it some thought, I came up with this:

    "Spreading pinball, connecting pinheads worldwide!".

    Yes, that's it. That's basically what I have been trying to do with Pinside from the start: Bring pinball fans around the globe together and try to spread the pinball virus. Convince more people to get a pinball machine and enjoy the silver ball game.

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    #2 4 years ago

    THE PINSIDE BASEMENT
    So with that said, if our mission is to spread pinball, why are we allowing all the off-topic banter? Shouldn't we get rid of it if we're a pinball website? Many people dislike all the off-topic, non-pinball stuff on a pinball forum. But there are also those who would like Pinside to be a haven of free speech, no boundaries whatsoever. Naturally that's not going to happen (after all, we are a moderated website). But what if we could offer a fun place to joke around with Pinside buddies without worrying about derailing the main forum?

    The Basement.png

    This is where we open the doors to a brand new section on Pinside: The Pinside basement. In it, there's some more room for off topic talk, but it also has two even lower levels: The SlamTilt Zone and the Pinsider Deathmatch room where topics self-destruct one week after opening. Topics in the basement are "passively moderated" and will not show up in the forum frontpage nor will they be indexed by Google.

    The basement consists of several sub-forums:

    Off Topic Bar (The generally off topic section);
    The Funhouse (fun stuff that is not necessarily related to pinball);
    Hobbies without flippers (talk about your other hobbies);
    Sights and sounds (talk about movies, music and other multimedia);
    Serious section (talk about serious stuff that is unrelated to the pinball hobby);
    Slam TILT Zone (a.k.a. "ranting room": a place to be negative when you need an outlet - topics self-destruct after a week);
    Pinsider Death-match (Sub-forum to ‘fight’ one on one with another Pinsider - topics self-destruct after a week);
    Popcorn Zone (sub-forum to move topics containing too much drama to);

    The_basement_has_a_spooky_quality_to_it.png

    So the purpose of the basement is to give off-topic content its own place on Pinside. The frontpage will be reserved for pinball related topics (which is after all Pinside’s main focus). Because of the passive moderation The Basement gives people more leeway in discussing sensitive topics in a more adult tone, while shielding this content from people who are sensitive to this kind of thing. The idea being that people can choose to either visit or avoid the basement and dig in or stay safely ‘above the ground’ where this kind of behaviour is actively moderated and therefore not tolerated. Also, the basement serves as a place where derailed topics can be moved to.

    Hopefully the basement will make Pinside a more diverse place by accommodating both the ‘always be considerate’- and the ‘free speech above all’-minded Pinsiders.

    #3 4 years ago

    UPDATED PINSIDE RULES
    The Pinside rules needed an update badly! The original dated back to 2007.

    We noticed a lot of people found the current Community Rules confusing or inconsistent. Also people pointed out some omissions from the rules to us. Because we noted that with the constant growth of the forum the Community Rules have become an important asset in steering people’s behaviour in a positive way, we hope that by having them completely rewritten by a professional text writer will have a positive influence on the forum general mood and add to the professionalism of Pinside as a whole. And the more clear-cut the rules are, the easier it is for Pinside staff to moderate by pointing out violations in a constructive way.

    THE INDUSTRY
    There's some extra focus on something I would like to put an end to: Presumptuous bashing of people or companies in the pinball industry. Therefore, I would like to put extra focus on two new rules:

    Don't make speculative claims without fact - Speculation and opinions are fun to share and discuss, but avoid stating speculation as fact. Any claims of fact or allegations made on the forum must be supported by evidence and/or a trustworthy source. Moderators reserve the right to modify or remove claims of fact that lack proper supporting evidence.

    and

    Be Respectful Towards the Industry - Just as we want our members to be respectful to one another, we also want the same courtesy extended to the companies and hard-working people of the pinball industry. Pinside welcomes discussion and opinions – even criticism, if warranted – pertaining to a company’s work or product, but attacking, insulting, or targeting companies and/or specific individuals in the industry is forbidden.

    That doesn't mean criticism is not allowed. On the contrary, this IS a discussion forum. But please be considerate of what you post and, more importantly, how you phrase it.

    RULES CARD
    We also summarized the rules in the form of a rules card which is now shown below the posting "reply" box.

    pinside-rules-card-big.jpg

    LEGAL DOCS
    We constructed a number of legal documents to make Pinside’s business more transparent. Fun reads like our privacy policy and terms and conditions. Check out the updated help section.

    #4 4 years ago

    SELLER INSIGHTS / STATS.
    The Pinside Market is our second most popular section on the site. But who's selling what? Who can you trust? How trustworthy is that guy whose Twilight Zone you would like to buy? We already added buyer feedback, and now we're adding "seller insights" to give you a better idea who to deal with. Easier than plowing through one's past for sale topics, right?

    Here are my own market stats:
    Robins_market_stats.png

    To summarize, the Seller Insights feature was created to give potential buyers more information about a seller by displaying all statistics that belong to the sales conducted by a Pinsider in the past. the buyer has a chance to better judge the experience level and trustworthiness of the seller.

    FORUM STATISTICS
    We then decided to extend this idea of statistics in the forum section as well.

    Each Pinsider’s forum activity page has been moved into their community profile section. The forum statistics is a new addition on that page.

    For example, check out pmWolf's forums statistics!

    pmWolf's statistics

    #5 4 years ago

    MONEY MONEY MONEY
    Remember that crappy song from the nineties? "It's about the money, ladiedadie dum dum!"

    Well it's not that bad, but since all this work on Pinside has now replaced our daytime jobs, we're gonna have to consider generating some income. The donations go a long way to offset our monthly costs (server and hosting costs, office rent etc) but now we need to think about feeding ourselves (and our families) too.

    We though long and hard what would be a good place to "monetize" Pinside and we think the Marketplace makes the most sense. After all, that's where money is already, uhm, the main currency.

    We started by adding some cool paid promotional options for marketplace ads (all optional choices). But, more importantly, we are now charging a mandatory value fee if you successfully sell your game through Pinside. What? Well, it's fairly simple. If you put a game in the Pinside market place you will be informed of its price tier (which is based on past sales prices). Each price tier has an associated sales fee. Again, you only pay this if you sell your game.

    Junk yard tier.png
    Let's take a Junk Yard for example. This is a tier 3 game with a current average value of $3200. If you successfully sell this game through Pinside, we ask a value fee of $15. If you're a supporting Pinsider (red heart) you only pay 75% of that fee.

    The payment is requested when you end your ad and indicate your game as sold:

    Sales fee.png

    So what's to stop you from simply saying: "not sold" on each of your ads? Well, your conscience for a start! But marking everything as unsold has other disadvantage: no buyer feedback, bad selling stats and maybe most importantly: if the Pinside robot suspects you of cheating, he might kick you out of our market place. Haha, no stopping him, he hates cunning cheap skates

    MANDATORY SALES PRICE
    By popular demand, we have decided that now all market place ads should carry an asking price. We have therefore removed all price options and replaced them with a simple price form. Unsure about your asking price? You can look up your game in the Marketplace archive or simply hit the "suggest price" button to have Pinside come up with an average price of past years sales records.

    Price is now mandatory.png

    #6 4 years ago


    FORUM IMPROVEMENTS
    We thought about it long and hard. It was not an easy choice. But thumbs down had to go. So they are scrapped, gone, finito.

    Does that mean we're turning into Facebook. Nooo! We replaced thumbs down with a more objective way of rating posts: Pinside Post Quality rating system.

    POST QUALITY RATINGS
    Simply put, this is a tool to objectively (and anonymously) rate posts you see on Pinside, based on the quality of their contents. When enough votes are received, the median vote is displayed for that post.

    Our future plans are to offer filtering based on post score. This would allow you to quickly view all relevant or even starred posts in a huge topic, get up to speed and separate the wheat from the Pinside chaff.

    THUMBS UP HAVE MOVED DOWN
    Yeah, that reads like a weird title. Don't worry, thumbs up are still there (they just moved to the bottom of posts). So you can still subjectively tell the world that you agree with a post.

    This has been scrapped. Check this post.

    MODERATION NOTICES
    We have simplified the moderation notice text under a post. The public remarks are gone and replaced with a simple 'pm' sent.

    MODERATOR DISCLAIMER
    We have added a disclaimer to the bottom of posts made by site staff. We want them to be able to participate on Pinside like anyone else (hey, mods have opinions too!) but also make it clear that they're not necessarily always expressing the views of Pinside.com.

    #7 4 years ago

    TL;DR
    Pinside remains awesome!

    #8 4 years ago

    Nice work guys. Not sure how I feel about having to pay after you successfully sell stuff (I would have just suggested "premium" advertisements, I think we already had those too though) and I'm not sure how the community will take it (probably not well) but good work after all. I just think having more premium options for users to pay for is a great middle ground, but I think once all of the options are "pay" in a previously free community is when it will start to drive people away. The new rating system seems kinda cool.

    Even though it was a heavily debated thing I'm surprised to see the "deathmatch" area, almost going from zero tolerance to... full tolerance, in an instant. It's one thing to keep the people happy but make sure it doesn't get too out of hand as well.

    Thanks for all you do for the site guys.

    #9 4 years ago

    Looks great! I think that it's a great idea and very fair to charge for successful sales.
    Many sites charge for all ads, and you have taken the high road and are trusting us with the honor system.

    Nice job and thanks for keeping Pinside awesome!

    #10 4 years ago

    It must be a great website. I'm on it every day, usually several times a day. HOW you can just keep making it even more great?! Thanks and great work, an asset to all pinball.

    #11 4 years ago

    Thrilled to be a part of the next phase of evolution!

    #12 4 years ago

    how do we get threads move from the basement back to the main forum?

    for example https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/can-a-scanjet-4670-work-on-windows-81#post-2777327

    is a thread directly pertinent to pinball since the scanjet 4670 is the main portable flat scanner used in pinball restoration work.

    #13 4 years ago

    Great job Robin! I think this is one of the best updates yet.

    #14 4 years ago
    Quoted from Whysnow:

    how do we get threads move from the basement back to the main forum?

    You can always make a request to a moderator to have a thread moved, via a PM or by starting a moderator feedback thread. However, in this case I don't think a move is really warranted because the topic itself has nothing to do with pinball restoratio: it is about fixing a printer issue on Window 8.1.

    #15 4 years ago

    Great work. Thanks for keeping this one of the greatest website on the Internet.

    #16 4 years ago

    how is Pinside hosted? If you own the server how much CPU/RAM/Disk does it have and what is the load? I am just wondering what it takes computer wise to host a site such as this. Thanks.

    #17 4 years ago

    Great job Robin and Staff.

    #18 4 years ago

    This thread should be in the basement...it's not pinball related...!!!... ...Thank you for a great place to hang out with like minded peps..............Joey

    #19 4 years ago

    Nice work, Robin. Congrats on taking Pinside "full time".

    #20 4 years ago
    Quoted from robin:

    topic itself has nothing to do with pinball restoratio: it is about fixing a printer issue on Window 8.1.

    it is actually about getting a pinball restoration tool to work on windows 8.1. The scanner is commonly used by restoration guys to scan items and make reproduction one offs (plastics, waterslides, etc...)

    I was just thinking it may be good to have a way to easily flag these sorts of threads as on topic instead of off topic?

    #21 4 years ago

    is there a way to set my user preferences to have all forums intergrated into my view of the front page?

    I like the mix of seeing all topics and previously did not exclude any categories form my view.
    It appears the only way to see 'basement' topics is to specifically go to the basement?

    #22 4 years ago

    Just wondering if there was ever a thought to give us the option to have it the way it was before the update...(a box to check if you wanted to include the basement threads in with the main site)...???.............Joey

    #23 4 years ago

    @ Whysnow....Lol.....we think alike...!!!........Joey

    #24 4 years ago

    What's the protocol if I list a game for sale here and elsewhere (my local Craigslist, etc.) and it sells via one of the other markets?

    This happens to me more often than not, for whatever reason.

    #25 4 years ago

    Pretty sure you only pay if it sells here..............Joey

    #26 4 years ago

    Robin,
    Thanks for the update. Hope your back surgery went well. My wife just went through two of them in the last year. Keep up the good work and enjoy the holidays.

    #27 4 years ago

    Wonderful! Thanks for the Hard Work!

    Looks like I am going to get stuck in the Basement!

    #28 4 years ago

    Love the updates.

    Question... is there anyway to remove the large banners and the huge Basement banner from the mobile version? Those are taking up over a screen of real estate that has to be scrolled past every time you load the forum page. Or maybe I am missing a checkbox?

    #29 4 years ago

    Thanks for the hard work! I really appreciate it.

    faz

    #30 4 years ago

    Wow!!! That reply window is HUGE!!

    #31 4 years ago

    Give credit where credit is do Pinsiders asked for change and they got them. Not many places seem to listen to the demand of masses, not Pinside.

    #32 4 years ago

    robin,

    When I write a reply to a pinside basement thread, where I'm the OP, the reply is on white background with light gray text. Can't really see it.
    But, if I reload page, it renders as readable (revised colors).

    Cheers

    #33 4 years ago

    I'm missing the thumbs up/down counter in the upper right corner. I also prefer the dark background you use for the basement. Anyway to make it an option to be that color for the entire site? And a lot of bugs, at least on my iPhone.

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    #34 4 years ago
    Quoted from robin:

    After giving it some thought, I came up with this:
    "Spreading pinball, connecting pinheads worldwide!".
    Yes, that's it. That's basically what I have been trying to do with Pinside from the start: Bring pinball fans around the globe together and try to spread the pinball virus. Convince more people to get a pinball machine and enjoy the silver ball game.

    Sounds good to me Most mission statements I've read are so wordy and lofty that they don't make any sense, but this one is very clear.

    Quoted from robin:

    The frontpage will be reserved for pinball related topics (which is after all Pinside’s main focus). Because of the passive moderation The Basement gives people more leeway in discussing sensitive topics in a more adult tone, while shielding this content from people who are sensitive to this kind of thing. The idea being that people can choose to either visit or avoid the basement and dig in or stay safely ‘above the ground’ where this kind of behaviour is actively moderated and therefore not tolerated. Also, the basement serves as a place where derailed topics can be moved to.
    Hopefully the basement will make Pinside a more diverse place by accommodating both the ‘always be considerate’- and the ‘free speech above all’-minded Pinsiders.

    Interesting idea. However, OT posts frequently do have pinball-related discussions that don't always fit into other forums (discussions on tools, video arcade games, virtual pinball, electronics components, pinball software, discussions on operating on-location, etc). Personally, I would prefer to see those on the front page, but I'm ok with all the other new basement fourms being hidden.

    Quoted from robin:

    MONEY MONEY MONEY
    Remember that crappy song from the nineties? "It's about the money, ladiedadie dum dum!"
    » YouTube video
    Well it's not that bad, but since all this work on Pinside has now replaced our daytime jobs, we're gonna have to consider generating some income. The donations go a long way to offset our monthly costs (server and hosting costs, office rent etc) but now we need to think about feeding ourselves (and our families) too.
    We though long and hard what would be a good place to "monetize" Pinside and we think the Marketplace makes the most sense. After all, that's where money is already, uhm, the main currency.
    We started by adding some cool paid promotional options for marketplace ads (all optional choices). But, more importantly, we are now charging a mandatory value fee if you successfully sell your game through Pinside. What? Well, it's fairly simple. If you put a game in the Pinside market place you will be informed of its price tier (which is based on past sales prices). Each price tier has an associated sales fee. Again, you only pay this if you sell your game.
    Junk yard tier.png
    Let's take a Junk Yard for example. This is a tier 3 game with a current average value of $3200. If you successfully sell this game through Pinside, we ask a value fee of $15. If you're a supporting Pinsider (red heart) you only pay 75% of that fee.
    The payment is requested when you end your ad and indicate your game as sold:
    Sales fee.png
    So what's to stop you from simply saying: "not sold" on each of your ads? Well, your conscience for a start! But marking everything as unsold has other disadvantage: no buyer feedback, bad selling stats and maybe most importantly: if the Pinside robot suspects you of cheating, he might kick you out of our market place. Haha, no stopping him, he hates cunning cheap skates
    MANDATORY SALES PRICE
    By popular demand, we have decided that now all market place ads should carry an asking price. We have therefore removed all price options and replaced them with a simple price form. Unsure about your asking price? You can look up your game in the Marketplace archive or simply hit the "suggest price" button to have Pinside come up with an average price of past years sales records.
    Price is now mandatory.png

    Were voluntary contributions not working?

    Ah yes, so the new pinside tax.

    I realize you want to bring in some revenue, but any time money changes hands, it seems like everyone else has their hand out. Like with paypal, I'm guessing folks will start tacking on the additional fee in their ad. So instead of $3200, it could end up being $3215 to "cover the pinside tax".

    Additionally, I noticed that a fee is required for starting a forum topic as well. Personally, I think this is a bad idea, especially when there is a new poster with a questionable (or possibly scammy) ad. It's helpful for others if someone brings up the fact that it doesn't pass the sniff test. Charging a fee is a barrier to entry there. I think creating a forum thread should be free and by default. Yes, it helps the seller advertise. But--it also helps potential buyers quite a bit. For example, in one FS thread, I recall someone stating that a game was complete, but someone else pointed out that a part was missing--not everyone would have caught that, and the seller probably wasn't even aware that the part was missing.

    Now that you're charging a fee, the expectations for a "perfect" bug-free experience will probably increase. Whereas before, a certain about of bugs/errors/missing features were tolerated. For example, I see that images with a vertical aspect ratio are still squashed when you click on the thumbnails. Additionally, you still appear to have no control over what order that images appear in an ad. To me, those are fairly significant bugs and not acceptable if you're forcing a fee to be charged.

    Quoted from robin:

    FORUM IMPROVEMENTS
    We thought about it long and hard. It was not an easy choice. But thumbs down had to go. So they are scrapped, gone, finito.
    thumbs-down.jpg
    Does that mean we're turning into Facebook. Nooo! We replaced thumbs down with a more objective way of rating posts: Pinside Post Quality rating system.
    POST QUALITY RATINGS
    Simply put, this is a tool to objectively (and anonymously) rate posts you see on Pinside, based on the quality of their contents. When enough votes are received, the median vote is displayed for that post.
    post-rating.jpg
    Our future plans are to offer filtering based on post score. This would allow you to quickly view all relevant or even starred posts in a huge topic, get up to speed and separate the wheat from the Pinside chaff.

    I always liked seeing who liked certain posts. It gave idea on what tips/ideas held more water than others. For example, if there was a post about a particular repair technique, it was helpful to see that repair guys or electronics experts liked it--or didn't.

    Quoted from robin:

    THUMBS UP HAVE MOVED DOWN
    Yeah, that reads like a weird title. Don't worry, thumbs up are still there (they just moved to the bottom of posts). So you can still subjectively tell the world that you agree with a post.

    I always thought downvoting had its uses. For example, if someone was providing bad advice (intentional or otherwise), folks could see that there was something wrong with that post if it had a thumbs down. For example, if someone suggested a repair that would actually cause damage, it is useful to know that immediately on that post that there is an issue with it. Or, if someone was expressing a rumor or unpopular opinion, it was helpful to see downvotes on those as well.

    Quoted from robin:

    MODERATOR DISCLAIMER
    We have added a disclaimer to the bottom of posts made by site staff. We want them to be able to participate on Pinside like anyone else (hey, mods have opinions too!) but also make it clear that they're not necessarily always expressing the views of Pinside.com.

    Good idea. However, it might be a better idea to have a one-line disclaimer, rather than multiple lines so it doesn't take up as much space. In a few posts, I've seen this disclaimer take up more space than the actual content of the moderator's post. (Edit: I'm not sure if this has changed already, or it just looks different between mobile and desktop).

    #35 4 years ago
    Quoted from Whysnow:

    is there a way to set my user preferences to have all forums intergrated into my view of the front page?
    I like the mix of seeing all topics and previously did not exclude any categories form my view.
    It appears the only way to see 'basement' topics is to specifically go to the basement?

    Quoted from Breaking_Dad:

    Just wondering if there was ever a thought to give us the option to have it the way it was before the update...(a box to check if you wanted to include the basement threads in with the main site)...???.............Joey

    Off course we thought about this, guys. You can change this in your forum settings (Hiding content from view).

    #36 4 years ago
    Quoted from Martijn:

    Off course we thought about this, guys. You can change this in your forum settings (Hiding content from view).

    Ah, great

    It wasn't immediately apparent that it was an available option.

    pinside_settings.jpg

    #37 4 years ago
    Quoted from stevevt:

    What's the protocol if I list a game for sale here and elsewhere (my local Craigslist, etc.) and it sells via one of the other markets?
    This happens to me more often than not, for whatever reason.

    Quoted from Breaking_Dad:

    Pretty sure you only pay if it sells here..............Joey

    Yup, when ending your sales ad unsuccessfully you are asked why the ad didn't succeed. Here you can specify that you sold your machine using another marketplace.

    #38 4 years ago
    Quoted from ChadH:

    Love the updates.
    Question... is there anyway to remove the large banners and the huge Basement banner from the mobile version? Those are taking up over a screen of real estate that has to be scrolled past every time you load the forum page. Or maybe I am missing a checkbox?

    Thanks for the update, we somehow missed this. We will disable the banners for now and fix it later.

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    #39 4 years ago
    Quoted from ForceFlow:

    Ah yes, so the new pinside tax.
    I realize you want to bring in some revenue, but any time money changes hands, it seems like everyone else has their hand out. Like with paypal, I'm guessing folks will start tacking on the additional fee in their ad. So instead of $3200, it could end up being $3215 to "cover the pinside tax".
    Additionally, I noticed that a fee is required for starting a forum topic as well. Personally, I think this is a bad idea, especially when there is a new poster with a questionable (or possibly scammy) ad. It's helpful for others if someone brings up the fact that it doesn't pass the sniff test. Charging a fee is a barrier to entry there. I think creating a forum thread should be free and by default. Yes, it helps the seller advertise. But--it also helps potential buyers quite a bit. For example, in one FS thread, I recall someone stating that a game was complete, but someone else pointed out that a part was missing--not everyone would have caught that, and the seller probably wasn't even aware that the part was missing.
    Now that you're charging a fee, the expectations for a "perfect" bug-free experience will probably increase. Whereas before, a certain about of bugs/errors/missing features were tolerated. For example, I see that images with a vertical aspect ratio are still squashed when you click on the thumbnails. Additionally, you still appear to have no control over what order that images appear in an ad. To me, those are fairly significant bugs and not acceptable if you're forcing a fee to be charged.

    Wow, big swing and a miss for Pinside. I agree with all of what you have written above. A fee for selling a machine? Just bring in advertising in the marketplace and be done with it if you have turned this place into your day job. There is far more revenue in advertising (especially with the traffic here) then there is on selling fees for machines. Pinside has long been the place where people come to sell "higher than market", selling fees on top of that only make that problem worse.

    #40 4 years ago

    Are just game ads incurring fees or does this apply to other products?

    #41 4 years ago
    Quoted from ForceFlow:

    I always liked seeing who liked certain posts. It gave idea on what tips/ideas held more water than others.

    Thumbs up still exists. It's now at the bottom left.

    #42 4 years ago
    Quoted from ralphwiggum:

    Wow, big swing and a miss for Pinside. I agree with all of what you have written above. A fee for selling a machine? Just bring in advertising in the marketplace and be done with it if you have turned this place into your day job. There is far more revenue in advertising (especially with the traffic here) then there is on selling fees for machines. Pinside has long been the place where people come to sell "higher than market", selling fees on top of that only make that problem worse.

    I agree. Seems like advertising in the market area is a better way to generate revenue than charging selling fees. IN my mind it only seems appropriate that if industry should also be charged to advert here. I have no problems seeing ads on the sidebars in the marketplace and guessing that would bring in more revenue?

    Granted when I sell on pinside I also am happy to make a dontaion.

    #43 4 years ago
    Quoted from ForceFlow:

    Ah, great
    It wasn't immediately apparent that it was an available option.

    pinside_settings.jpg

    where do I find this page for my settings?

    #44 4 years ago
    Quoted from Whysnow:

    Granted when I sell on pinside I also am happy to make a dontaion

    My donation to Pinside is bringing games into the marketplace that sell for hundreds less than similar titles listed for sale..... If I am going to get socked with a fee to sell, I will just bring the prices up to what others are selling at, and then give Pinside it's cut...... LOL

    #45 4 years ago

    I don't buy or sell machines, so I don't have a preference on the new fees. However, if there is indeed a fee for forum topics now, are they just for machines? I sell parts on this site quite often and always sell things quickly and easily because of the forum threads. I have also donated money and hundreds of hours of my time to this site.

    #46 4 years ago
    Quoted from Whysnow:

    where do I find this page for my settings?

    The settings tab/button near the top of the page.

    #47 4 years ago

    There is no fee for normal forum topics. Only for topics linked to an ad in the marketplace.

    #48 4 years ago
    Quoted from Crash:

    I don't buy or sell machines, so I don't have a preference on the new fees. However, if there is indeed a fee for forum topics now, are they just for machines? I sell parts on this site quite often and always sell things quickly and easily because of the forum threads. I have also donated money and hundreds of hours of my time to this site.

    A $2 fee for forum topics for any for-sale ads. However, it looks like the fee is dropped for folks who have donated. But, I still see the fee as a problem/barrier, which I wrote about earlier.

    #49 4 years ago
    Quoted from ForceFlow:

    The settings tab/button near the top of the page.

    thanks

    #50 4 years ago

    Just wanted to say,well done,Robin!! as a newbe to the hobby,this site is in a class of its own!!!And its completely right to collect a very small fee for a sale on our site!! This just makes cents,and folks who object,don't understand money,again,thanks for the best pin site in the world!!!

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