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Pinside Top Pinball Machines


By wolfemaaan

4 months ago



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    Topic poll

    “Is Pinsides Top 20 Accurate?”

    • Yup. It’s on point 11 votes
      15%
    • Not even close 22 votes
      30%
    • Who cares, ratings are overrated 41 votes
      55%

    (74 votes)

    #1 4 months ago

    Is the top list here accurate with machines from 30 years ago competing with new machines that have 30 votes?

    There’s this kid around the corner that rips up a guitar. He’s been playing for 2 years. Should he be in the same list as Jimmy Hendrix for greatest guitar player of all time after 2 years?

    What say you

    #2 4 months ago

    Jim Brown is the greatest college football player ever, and he played 64 years ago.

    #3 4 months ago
    Quoted from NY2Colorado:

    Jim Brown is the greatest college football player ever, and he played 64 years ago.

    Yeah how would you feel about him being in the same list as Jared Goff? Being from LA, I like the guy but not in the conversation as Jim Brown. Maybe in 10 20 years

    #4 4 months ago

    Very good question.
    I would suggest to split up the "Top 100" not only between SS and EM but also between DMD plus maybe Electronics from 1985 to 1990 AND ALSO to create another list for Electronics before 1990 or 1985.
    The DMD machines should have at least 50 ratings instead of 15 before they get into the list.
    15 votes for the "older" machines should be OK.
    The EM-List requires only 5 votings which seems a bit funny but on the other hand there are very few ratings anyway so it's difficult.

    #5 4 months ago

    hmmm, I’ll guess you’ll get either many or few responses - theme matters, it has to be fun, pinside ranking is worthless, new games have much deeper rules and older games are too shallow, newer games have no humor and no magic, build quality, repairability....

    or we can talk about Hendrix - nobody playing guitar for two years can touch him - but most of the folks in the pinball industry today have been doing it for much longer than two years.

    #6 4 months ago

    I would like to see a secondary list for new releases that gets merged into the primary list after a 5 year wait.

    #7 4 months ago
    Quoted from jp1985:

    I would like to see a secondary list for new releases that gets merged into the primary list after a 5 year wait.

    great idea, but maybe less of a wait?

    2 years?

    #8 4 months ago

    It also depends on if we are looking at this as a "Hall of Fame" or a "Best 100 Machines" list.

    Maybe Hall of Fame could be ALL machines, across all platforms (EM/early SS/DMD/modern)? And hall of fame machines must be released at least 5 years ago.

    Top 100 can be more volatile and include new releases....but maybe some kind of mathematical formula which makes up for the fact that the older machines have so many more ratings?

    #9 4 months ago

    Agree that longevity should factor in. And really the remakes should not be listed as separate games - they are basically identical in build, and certainly in rules.

    Perhaps a gentle weighting based on the age of the game

    #10 4 months ago
    Quoted from Mardi-Gras-Man:

    Very good question.
    I would suggest to split up the "Top 100" not only between SS and EM but also between DMD plus maybe Electronics from 1985 to 1990 AND ALSO to create another list for Electronics before 1990 or 1985.
    The DMD machines should have at least 50 ratings instead of 15 before they get into the list.
    15 votes for the "older" machines should be OK.
    The EM-List requires only 5 votings which seems a bit funny but on the other hand there are very few ratings anyway so it's difficult.

    Good points. How about different categories, so we compare apples to apples?

    I'm no expert, but I'm thinking:

    1. EM (is wood rail worth mentioning? I have no idea)
    2. Early SS (1977-1985)
    3. Late SS (sys 11 etc) 1986-1990
    4. DMD (1991-1999)
    5. Early Modern (2000-2012) - up until WoZ
    6. Contemporary Modern (2013-present)

    #11 4 months ago

    This is there already...goto custom and enter what you want?

    So for me the true top 100 is 1979-2004 Bally Williams Stern Gottleib for example.

    The top 100 as it sits is really the popular 100 I think.

    #12 4 months ago
    Quoted from Pinballer67:

    great idea, but maybe less of a wait?
    2 years?

    Sure, I think that works if 2 years is long enough to get a decent amount of reviews and have the initial hype of the machine wear off.

    #13 4 months ago

    Go to the top 100

    Click on various tab

    Click on list by decade.

    https://pinside.com/pinball/top-100/various/decade

    #14 4 months ago

    Nobody wants to sort. The sorting out of machines that have less than 200 ratings and 2 years old should should be automatic

    That would add some weight and value to the list. Otherwise why don’t I just sort my personal machine list because that’s the best of all time, right?

    #15 4 months ago
    Quoted from Pinballer67:

    Good points. How about different categories, so we compare apples to apples?
    I'm no expert, but I'm thinking:
    1. EM (is wood rail worth mentioning? I have no idea)
    2. Early SS (1977-1985)
    3. Late SS (sys 11 etc) 1986-1990
    4. DMD (1991-1999)
    5. Early Modern (2000-2012) - up until WoZ
    6. Contemporary Modern (2013-present)

    I made up a quick spreadsheet.

    Removed games with less than 500 machines
    Removed novelty machines
    Removed machines with less than 15 ratings
    Categorized Sega with Data East.
    Only made the list with Bally, Capcom, Data East, Gottlieb, Stern, and Williams
    I made it for fun.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kVwUSGx8CVXBxI2ceKUG32wr4EhavZTn/view?usp=sharing

    #16 4 months ago
    Quoted from mr9865:

    I made up a quick spreadsheet.
    Removed games with less than 500 machines
    Removed novelty machines
    Removed machines with less than 15 ratings
    Categorized Sega with Data East.
    Only made the list with Bally, Capcom, Data East, Gottlieb, Stern, and Williams
    I made it for fun.
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/14sBWzM3A_bhEPm68p2etoBofLwxMlgKb/view?usp=sharing

    Great work.

    #17 4 months ago

    Ironic this came up (again) because I was just looking at it yesterday.....there's actually only one machine that doesn't have multiple releases, over 1000 reviews at the top.....TZ (also the IPDB #1).....played it tonight, and it's easy to remember how well this machine stacks up to all the new shineys.

    The top 100 is amusing to look at, but in no way reflects actually ranking, longevity and staying power of the game. Just my take, but a game should at least have several hundred votes to even make the list.

    (also played my Spidey tonight, and completely blows my mind how fun some of these "not so shiney" games stack up to the latest)

    #18 4 months ago
    Quoted from Pinballer67:

    great idea, but maybe less of a wait?
    2 years?

    It took how long to get GoT, GB, BM66 code finished? 2 years is not long enough.

    #19 4 months ago
    Quoted from mr9865:

    I made up a quick spreadsheet.
    Removed games with less than 500 machines
    Removed novelty machines
    Removed machines with less than 15 ratings
    Categorized Sega with Data East.
    Only made the list with Bally, Capcom, Data East, Gottlieb, Stern, and Williams
    I made it for fun.
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/14sBWzM3A_bhEPm68p2etoBofLwxMlgKb/view?usp=sharing

    Pinside should adopt your sheet as the official top pins list. Those actually look legit

    #20 4 months ago
    Quoted from mr9865:

    Removed games with less than 500 machines

    You can create these kind of lists using the custom functions in the ranking, can’t you? What I’ve always thought would be nice is to be able to eliminate what I consider to be the bogus rankings - any rating above x or below y

    #21 4 months ago
    Quoted from wolfemaaan:

    Pinside should adopt your sheet as the official top pins list. Those actually look legit

    I agree, that looks fantastic!

    MODERATORS!! Go have a meeting, make this happen!

    #22 4 months ago

    A lot of reviews reflect games with incomplete code. Especially ghostbusters has greatly improved but it is a long list. Batman 66 was barely a game. Even AC/DC has received polish that changed the game.

    #23 4 months ago

    While we're at it I wouldn't mind seeing a change to the Bang/Buck list either. Maybe a separate list for every $1,250 or $1,500? Maybe only do three list with the highest being $4,500 if you do it by $1,500. I've seen several post with people asking what are the best machines for X amount of dollars and this just might make things a little easier and quicker.

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