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Pinside Top 100 complete joke!!!

By Thunderbird

4 years ago


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    #18 4 years ago
    Quoted from Thunderbird:

    Top 100 is meaningless, a farce and irrelevant:
    Growing tired of the complete joke that the supposed Pinside top 100 has become. It is somewhat irrelevant and serves no real purpose. It needs overhauling badly. Boils down to an owners and haters list. Owners pumping up the ratings and haters trying to bring ratings down on great games. Jurassic Park for example debuted at #1 until the haters started rating it 3’s and 4’s. Same thing happened to POTC and on and on.
    That’s why the top 100 should be renamed to “Owners & Haters top 100 bragging & bashing list”. The way it’s setup is near meaningless. Old games and new games should not be on the same list, imo. It is a popularity contest, with new games always being bashed in favor of the old nostalgic games.
    It appears to not be based on how good a game is, rather, people hating on Stern, JJP, American Pinball or Spooky.
    True top 100 games should be listed in order of sales figures, which we will never know, unless any current pinball company went out of business. Doubt B/W sales figures come any where close to the current day HUO market, as there are so many more potential sales in this market than the old location based regimes of the past.
    How do you feel? How should the supposed Top 100 be overhauled? Or are you fine the way it is?

    The only part you got right here is that yes, it is meaningless. Just not for the reasons you stated.

    #42 4 years ago

    If the machines you own aren't in the Pinside top 10 your games price automatically drops by 10k. Sorry, we don't make the rules, we just make them up.

    #55 4 years ago

    The real 'tops' only count if they've been out for 5+ years (or more probably) and have staying power. Just because they flopped at release doesn't mean people don't grow to appreciate them later, or when they find their crowd. No different than other entertainment. This is why you see so many 90's games at the top. The only reason new Sterns even break the top 100 is because of the way the Pinside calculations work. They need more time to settle. There shouldn't be ANY games released in the last year that are in the top 10....at least for another 5+ years.

    Also, as for Munsters, which seems to be OP's big concern, it is pretty widely panned here. I wouldn't expect it to be high, since even many Stern fans dislike it.

    #80 4 years ago

    Except Stranger Things deserves what bad press it gets. The only ones getting bent out of shape are the ones who bought it...wonder why that is

    #89 4 years ago
    Quoted from Thunderbird:

    Good example of why Pinside Top 100 is a farce.

    Not sure you know how top anything works. Because all top lists are personally subjective. There are very few things in this world 100% of people are going to agree on, so no matter how you cut it someone is going to come along and start a thread complaining about how it is done.

    #92 4 years ago
    Quoted from Thunderbird:

    Thanks for your kindness again (“not sure you know how top anything works”).
    We all know it is subjective. Not attempting to get people to agree, just attempting to help the way it is done to become more fair to the machines that are created. Lots of labor and work go into these machines, by all the designers, coders, engineers, artist and on and on. Dumping on them in the current iteration that is the Pinside Top 100 is very unfair to all those people and their work.
    If it can be made more fair, why wouldn’t Pinside change it? We can all say, “who cares”, but people actually do care.

    Let's say they change it, but it has the opposite effect of what you want? Are you going to rant about it again? The reason people are short is, you are complaining because what YOU want to be on top isn't. In the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter at all. It's supposed to be a fun little 'game'. It means nothing. In fact, they could completely remove it, and it wouldn't affect Pinside at all.

    And as the person above me mentioned, the numbers are there. The ones on top are there for a reason and actually represent what is most likely as true as it can get on a slice of pinball that is represented by Pinside. Unlike something that was just released last month.

    #94 4 years ago
    Quoted from Thunderbird:

    Again, this is not a rant and not about what you or I want. This is about how the system can be made more fair and improved.

    Your statements in the original post are incorrect (as has been pointed out multiple times), thus influencing what you think it should be.

    #97 4 years ago
    Quoted from Thunderbird:

    Yes, know these numbers and what does that prove? We don’t know the numbers of current day manufacturers, but the current day home market is many times that of location based arcades of the past.

    Uh, no, they aren't.....

    We know that the numbers are lower overall now. The only difference is that NOW more people are buying for home use. In the past, they sold MANY MANY MANY more to bars.

    If we are lucky, yes, those numbers will exceed the past, but back then they were cranking out games like crazy.

    #103 4 years ago
    Quoted from Thunderbird:

    Neither one of us know current day numbers (or will ever know), so this argument is futile.

    No, we don't know 'exact' numbers. We do know it is nowhere near that many for 1 machine. So yes that is enough information.

    #112 4 years ago

    the real intent comes out. You say people can't rate it fairly because it isn't complete, yet you think it should be higher than it is.

    #114 4 years ago
    Quoted from Thunderbird:

    I don’t own STH and haven’t played it yet. My real intent is nothing more than to help fix the system, that’s it. Don’t care where any game rating ends up, once the system is made into a more level rating field.

    In a level rating field, it wouldn't even be on the list. No one is saying it isn't a joke, but your protests in the OP and prior point to a different motive here. You could always create 10000 dummy accounts and rate it 10's. Play the system.

    #116 4 years ago
    Quoted from Thunderbird:

    This discussion with you is turning silly, don’t you think?

    This thread is silly. I'm taking it less seriously than I take the top 100.

    #139 4 years ago

    The logic jump here is astronomical. Is this the kind of math they teach these days?

    #160 4 years ago
    Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

    Used to think averaging made the most sense but having lived with the highest ranked model for awhile, I kind of dig it. The more useful feature for the top 400 would be to add a filter at the top level page to allow you filter on multiple manufacturers, date range, # votes on highest model etc. That would allow user to create a top 400 io their own terms.

    But then they couldn't use the top 100 to justify their purchase and high resale ask, which is really what this thread was always about.

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