(Topic ID: 262677)
Chicago, IL
Quoted from Tranquilize:The one massive flaw that Robin implemented, that makes the list far, far worse, is choosing LE ratings for games rather than an average rating between pro, prem & LE. This means that almost all Stern games are solely rated by home owners, when the pros are the most played pinball machines on the planet. Averaging the ratings makes way more sense than the logic that we should rate them only on the supposed "best" version of the game. This goes for JJP's games as well.
Averaging different versions like that wouldn't make any sense though. If there's multiple versions of a game, the lesser version shouldn't drag down the ranking of the best version. The only reason games were grouped together was to prevent the list from having different versions of the same game everywhere, but still keep rankings as close to as they would be without that feature. So it only makes sense to rank a group of games based on the score of the best version.
Quoted from Thunderbird:Really trying to justify your post of it being a mod. It is not a mod and any reasonable person knows that. It’s a coded part of the game. Mods are not ever coded into a game.
There are toppers that are coded into the game, and they are not shipped with the game.
And. they. are. Mods.
I guess I am not a reasonable person.
Either way, who gives a shit. Gonna grab a beer 
Quoted from Beechwood:There are toppers that are coded into the game, and they are not shipped with the game.
And. they. are. Mods.
I guess I am not a reasonable person.
Either way, who gives a shit. Gonna grab a beer
I beat you to it. Maybe.
Quoted from mystman12:Averaging different versions like that wouldn't make any sense though. If there's multiple versions of a game, the lesser version shouldn't drag down the ranking of the best version. The only reason games were grouped together was to prevent the list from having different versions of the same game everywhere, but still keep rankings as close to as they would be without that feature. So it only makes sense to rank a group of games based on the score of the best version.
By that logic, one could argue that the LEs prop up the pros. There are far more pros, so they represent the game that is played the most. Averaging the scores is far more sensible and accurate with regard to real world experience.
Used to think averaging made the most sense but having lived with the highest ranked model for awhile, I kind of dig it. The more useful feature for the top 400 would be to add a filter at the top level page to allow you filter on multiple manufacturers, date range, # votes on highest model etc. That would allow user to create a top 400 on their own terms.
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:Used to think averaging made the most sense but having lived with the highest ranked model for awhile, I kind of dig it. The more useful feature for the top 400 would be to add a filter at the top level page to allow you filter on multiple manufacturers, date range, # votes on highest model etc. That would allow user to create a top 400 io their own terms.
But then they couldn't use the top 100 to justify their purchase and high resale ask, which is really what this thread was always about.
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