A dumb question probably, but on the Pinguy UI I'm struggling to make sense of what the "legs" are supposed to mean, in terms of which to adjust.

For example - if I have a pin where the front legs are wound all the way in, and the app tells me that the pitch is too shallow obviously I have to raise the back legs. That bit is fine, I don't need to look at the UI "legs" for that.

But if I have a situation where the playfield is not level side to side, I don't know whether this means I need to raise or lower the front leg, or the rear one. I'd like to think the app can tell me if the playfield is twisted, but I'm just not seeing which leg I need to adjust. I end up adjusting it based on a visual check which I'm sure is less than optimal.

I've also noticed that there is a ~0.5 degree difference based on whether I place the phone between the flippers, or at the top of the playfield. I don't know whether I should level for 6.5 degrees between the flippers (and it be e.g. 7.0 degrees towards the top) or aim for 6.5 in the middle of the playfield and have the pitch potentially less than that between the flippers?

(I could be overthinking it as well)

Hi,
You are right. It is better to place the iPhone in the middle of the playfield instead between the flippers. I have no idea where the difference comes from.

The legs:
The app does not know the position of the screws.
I let me guide by the vocal commands and decide to follow that or to do the other direction at the other side.

Is this still crashing for everyone else on iOS when you try to access saved settings for your collection? The app still works for leveling the playfield though.

Please try to deinstall and reload from AppStore again.

That worked! Love this app!

Backup:
Unfortunately I do not know how to store the settings, table to iCloud.
But you can export/import share your settings via text file.
It looks like this:

Scared Stiff;-0.06074435;-12.8466;
Terminator 2;-0.07934046;-12.81649;
Transformers LE;0.04020482;-14.07659;

Has anyone used this with an iPhone X yet? How does it work with the lens bump on the back, do you need a case to keep the entire phone flat?

I have this exact problem. The phone is unstable and throws all my previous measurements out on all axis.

The only solution I can see is a case that "flattens" the back of the phone. I have a very thin case on at the moment, and hadn't realised how much of a problem this would be

I gave up using it on my X. Now I just use my old digital level.

Yeah I tried it last night and seemed hopeless. So...what's a good digital level y'all like?

This is what I use.

https://www.sears.com/craftsman-digital-torpedo-level/p-00948295000P

With the glass on or off?
I only had time to check on top of the glass but this leveler was saying all my games were 16degrees!

Glass off. Remember, you’re leveling the playfield and not the glass.

Feeling very dumb but thank you. I guess I got use to leveling with the glass on using the app. Whoops!

No worries. I didn't even know that you could open the damn things up when I bought my first one.

For months I was scared anytime I had to take off the glass and get a stuck ball out or something. Now I just start ripping them apart when something needs fixed. You'll get there, it just takes some time.

Has anybody compiled a big "collection" that includes a lot of the common pinball machines?

It would be nice to just import a big list that already has the relative angles of the playfield versus the glass.

Would that work? Every machine is likely to be slightly different I'd have thought. Even a millimeter of difference in playfield pivot bolt locations would translate to a playfield angle difference.

My app no longer talks. I’ve uninstalled and reinstalled. I’m on the newest iOS, is that the problem?

See if your phone is on mute; the app will go silent if the silent mode switch is on.

It would be really nice to have such a list.
Last week I was in a public location and played at a Scared Stiff. The machine was set absolutely wrong. Of course, I could not remove the glass, but it had helped a lot to adjust it with the settings from my old TOM. That works fine, even if it is not 100% perfect.

A general list with the x / y / data would be nice. Some pinball machines will probably have similar values. If they come from the same time/manufactur.
Then the data would suffice per TYP. That should be less than 10 in total. Example: JJP, STAR 2015-2019 Williams 1991-1994 or something like that.

Not sure why I am just now learning about this app! I can’t get the voice to work though, tips?

Just turned off my ringer mute and bam it worked! Awesome

I had the same problem, no voice prompts. Both audio and ringer are not muted. Tried uninstall/reinstall app, no luck. On a whim I clicked volume up a couple times then back down to the same volume setting and, what do you know, voice returned. I repeated the problem and the workaround and got the same result. So, there is something odd but there appears to be a workaround.

I'm still praying for the day that this app appears on Android...
I just checked again and still no dice...

Does this do what you need? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nottud.pinballleveller

I've used that one for android... its pretty good but I've had a few concerns .... Side by side comparison, the pinguy one seems more accurate.

For a PinGuy extension .... Is there an interest so that the information is also displayed on the Apple Watch?

Great idea

Add to watch is a great idea, so you can be under the table and altering things. I bought a few accelerometers with the plan to make a small cube that sits on top of the table, and shows the playfield situation on my phone, but time got away with me. So using the phone and watch (I am an Android user tho!) gives the same effect.

Need to make sure that phone back is lovely and flat tho! This project has loads of potentially! I really want to code it, but have little time, if anone out there fancies collaborating with me (and can code) I will work on it with you from an engineering point of view

Ate you not deaf and you are under the pin for levelling, you should here what the App tell you

PinGuy on a watch sounds like a solution looking for a problem. You put your phone on the playfield, you get under and make adjustments according to the audible cues.

If you’re on your hands and knees making adjustments, lifting the table with your back, your hands are going to be on the floor anyway for support, and if you’re coming out from under the table after each adjustment to use a trolley, well you can look at your phone can’t you?

I find my IMDN PRE very hard. It constantly drains in the outlanes and hitting the ramps is tough. (Actually, hitting anything on purpose is tough…)

I have adjusted the slope with a bubble level, but it alway felt like something is wrong.
I found this topic yesterday and immediately decided to try the app. I calibrated the iPad, set it on 6.8 degrees and put it on the playfield.
It was perfectly aligned! One more proof that I’m a terrible pinball player

Thanks for a great app anyway

It's true, you don't need it on the watch. The instructions are enough for me too.
@Hasse,
do the instructions in Swedish fit or do you want something adjusted?

H Frank
Any news on the adoption to Android ?
Showed your app to a friend and he likes it but ... he is on Android and for any reason will not change to Apple

Cheers
Tom

Hi all!
Quick question: are we supposed to remove any shield/case that we have on the iPhone?
Wondering because even nake the back of the iPhone is not flat due to the lenses edge

The app was mostly developed before the iPhones had the protruding camera, so it is more difficult now to get a good reading. I leave the case on, but the best thing I did was get out my old iphone 5 and use that!

Someone with a 3D printer needs to make trays for the various iPhones to sit in, so they can be level! I would absolutely buy one for my 14 pro Max, to keep in my tool box.

If the iPhone has been calibrated without a case, then it can also be used to align the playfield.
Unfortunately, the newest iPhones tilt.

I do not use a case. I now always put a rubber ring under it. Works.

are there any android versions/similar apps yet? the one posted about before by nottud or whatever, can't be installed on current android versions.

Best thing is to get a nice inexpensive level from a local hardware store.