Quoted from djreddog:
Finally the Ramada. Sorry it didn’t work out folks. We kept having a few people who insisted on drinking beer not purchased from the bar and that ultimately led to the bar manager shutting the event down.
First, djreddog thanks for taking the initiative to try to pull this off. It takes people actually standing up and DOING stuff that so many others take for granted.
I'll tell you what I saw from another angle..
Party was advertised as a drinking/play event with 'no curfew'. Anyone who has ever been to this town knows the PA beer laws are funky and you can't just expect to show up empty handed if you are going to be drinking late night. We stopped on our way to the hotel and got beer at the distributor. I never recall anyone saying the party wasn't BYOB... and you even made posts yourself like
Pretty sure skyemont doesn't moonlight as the bartender at the hotel
I assumed it was BYOB.
When we arrived, games were being setup and we saw familiar faces and came in through the hallway door from the lobby and stairwell. I did not even knew the room was close to the bar, let alone 'part of the bar' (as later contested..). People were drinking, I put our beer down along the wall and started playing Stars with taylorva and others. I noticed the side door later and was curious what was over there, and noticed people closing the door, then having it reopened, closed, whatever. I thought it was amusing.. and had no idea who anyone was. Nobody I saw was in any form of uniform I could see or any name tags/etc. I had no idea what was going on with that door/corner.
The first sign of the conflict we saw was when you made the announcement about COOLERS. You said people can't have their coolers and need to get their coolers out of there. I didn't bring a cooler.. I had no idea what the problem was with coolers.. but since I didn't bring one, I figured it was not relevant for me. But then the word was circulating through the crowd about the conflict about 'outside beers'. At that point, you were already quite engaged with the two ladies and clearly was quite heated. Then it became a bit more clear that the side door was not just some other room, but probably the bar... So at that point, we grabbed our beer from the corner and went back to our room to finish what we had already started drinking. No outside beer.. ok, so I'll just take it back to our room.
Afterwards, we came back down and got some yeuenlings from the bar and went back into the game room. We could see the two ladies that appeared to be from the bar staff broading near the corner and I guess still going back and forth with you. But we didn't know anything beyond the problem with them expecting us to use the bar. Then the rumor started circling that they had called the Cops... and it seemed they showed up pretty quick. At this point, it was just spectators watching these bar people go ape shit and arguing with you and the cops.
Then I saw who I guess was the waitress walk around and basically hunting for anything and everyone. I think I saw her even go out the back door?? Then I saw her come back with a partial 12pack of beer holding above her head like some trophy and took it back victorious to the debate with you and the cops.
I think that was my case of beer... but it had gotten lost/taken/forgotten when we left the first time. I don't even know where it was or who had it... I only saw her carrying it like a trophy and me remembering "Hey, I guess that's where it went!!" - Missing child found! Assuming since it was the same kind of beer and I didn't have it anymore. It was just along the wall by Stars when we put it down when we got there... but AFAIK that's not where she discovered her treasure. Where did she say she found it? And what was the story with the outside door?? Seemed like they thought people were sneaking in that way or something??
I will say it looked like you guys were putting up the good fight, and the Cops we spoke to were really cool about the whole situation. But it was pretty obvious there was a huge disconnect between you and those two ladies over what was supposed to be happening or not. At that point, it just seemed it wasn't going to last because the ladies were still going ape. Then you made your announcement that it was shutting down and your comments about the Ramada and everyone not staying there again because of their actions.
Kudos to putting up the good fight against the staff that clearly didn't want to have this 'party' happening. And to working the situation with the Cops in a way that kept everything on level and things didn't get escalated (beyond the two ladies going nuts). But I do think you had some serious communications issues (unintentional) that kind of doomed this.
- No one told us to not bring beer - in fact it was advertised quite differently
- No one told us we couldn't have our beer when we got there, or even after that... until the point the lady started walking around trying to grab beers out of peoples hands!
- Even after the first 'no outside beer' news went around... there was no way for people who were coming and going AFTER that point to know that. People were able to just come and go freely. Room was a heck of lot more crowded the second time we came in.. so I doubt all those people were there for the first news.
I guess the whole fight was over if that room was considered part of the bar or not... and I can understand them pushing back about outside beer brought into a bar (duh.. obvious). But if those were the rules... that was hopeless to enforce without controlled in/out.
What did they tell you regarding all this before that night? It seemed like complete news to you at the time that it was even a potential issue...