I would also love to get any info on where I to get vinyl sheets with no adhesive backing. They protect well are almost invisible and leave no mess behind when you want to remove them.

Same here! Last order bounced.

http://pinrestore.com/Supplies.html

Clear Mylar Rolls and Sheets
This is a clear Mylar self-adhesive plastic film. This is used to protect high-wear areas on the playfield. Available in a full roll of 27" x 38", a half roll of 27" x 19", and an individual sheet of 9" x 12".Thickness is 2 mils or .002".

Check the automotive industry. At the last few SEMAs there have been many companies showcasing their "paint protectors" that are pretty much just clear vinyl sheets cut to fit specific cars. They even had a Mercedes there completely covered in the stuff. I don't believe it left ANY kind of residue on the vehicle whatsoever. There was even a company that was showing their product on a Ferrari 430 Scuderia.

I'm not sure what the adhesive is, but I can vouch for it not leaving anything that isn't easily wiped up with a wet cloth. I even grabbed a sample of it to cut to the size of my ipod touch as a screen protector.

Word of warning though: it's very supple stuff. It has a lot of give to it. You could impress is with a fingernail quite easily. It might make for a slower playfield. But, if you get it thin enough, it shouldn't be an issue. But because it's used for cars, it might also have some UV shielding qualities as well, might be great for cabinet art protection!

I make no guarantees as its performance for a non-intended use, though. Good luck!

Look up static cling vinyl. Hopefully Mark recovers fully very soon.

This stuff is similar to what Mark was selling ??

http://www.amazon.com/Grafix-9-Inch-12-Inch-Cling-6-Pack/dp/B002J6CO9I/ref=pd_sbs_ac_1

Hmmmm "sticks by static"... this works? The pinball pal stuff had an adhesive that was "removable" but after time that clearly was not the case as many went ballistic realizing that you cant lift it from flipper button areas without damage and some even damaged their playfields by removing via peeling away.

I would love to know if this stuff has NO adhesive yet sticks? Please confirm if you can.. thanks!

I have 52" rolls of clear vinyl with adhesive

Where did you get the roll at ??

I use it in my sign shop.

I recently purchased the Grafix 9X12 sheets (http://www.amazon.com/Grafix-9-Inch---12-Inch-Cling-6-Pack/dp/B002J6CO9I/ref=sr_1_1) after I saw the pinball pal sheets at The_Dude_Abides house. I have pre-cut a bunch of in-lane sized pieces for all of my machines. It works really well, but the one thing I've found (as with mylar) is they tend to be a little bit on the thick side and can affect the movement of the ball. And to JoeJet's question, there is no adhesive at all; you can put it down, pull it up, and reapply as needed.

Glad to see you on Pinside Drfurly!

thats 7 mil thick is that too thick?

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Yea I agree didn't see how thick it was when I ordered that. I would stick with the thinner stuff mentioned by others above. I'm going to edit that out so others don't make the same mistake good looking out Jdawg.

would this be the right thing?
ebay.com link: Sign vinyl 12 x 10 ft STATIC CLING CLEAR

seems like it to me. does anyone know what Calendered means?

A machine in which paper or cloth is made smooth and glossy by being pressed through rollers.

Im going to try this. Only 8 bucks for 10 feet. Im let you know how it looks.

ebay.com link: itm

That is not static cling, that one has adhesive.

I know. I dont trust static. Not for shooter lanes and kickout holes.

is this from experience or just thinking it would not be good?

It provides the same protection covers and protects the clear coat. What I don't trust is a product that can pull up paint and inserts if you have to remove it like the old heavy adhesive mylar.

Anyone try clear masking film for airbrushing. It's has low tack adhesive and is super thin. They sell sheets of it at Michaels.

Digging this up again.. I think I found what Mikey1 was talking about and wondering about it as well..

http://www.dickblick.com/products/badger-gloss-fotofrisket-film/

"This 2 mil vinyl film has a specially formulated adhesive that neither lifts the surface nor strips off work already completed. Film is transparent, low tack, and easy to lift."

So, it's not the static stuff.. but? People think this is maybe what the stealth mylar pinball pal was selling that turned out not to be so "removable" given enough time?

Was ready to by the 2x3' sheet of the team plastics stuff from amazon then realized shipping was $12 on a $10 item.. lame.

Please give us a review when you guys get your product. They sure don't give a lot of information about thickness etc do they? I'd love to put something less sticky than mylar in all of my shooter lanes.

Go here:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000BPQI0U/ref=dp_olp_new/184-0333828-0205436

It's about $12 total, including shipping.

My spin on this is, if you have to repaint (when you remove Mylar), the $12 is going to seem like a real bargain.

Robert

what about the black vinyl that williams/bally used for covering the side rails? any ideas on where to source that?

edit:
nevermind. found it on ebay as well
ebay.com link: 1 Roll 24 X 10 Black Matte Arlon 5000 Sign Cutting Vinyl

ebay.com link: 1 Roll 24 X 10 Black Matte 3M ScotchCal Graphic Sign Cutting Vinyl

I got a vinyl cutter... If I can find a roll, I'll hook y'all up!

I placed an order at PinballPal as well for the stealth protectors, and it's been a month, nothing received, not responding to emails/calls. I had to open a dispute at Paypal. S----- company.

Has anyone tried this?

_{Post edited by The_Dude_Abides : Edited Profanity.}

The sole owner and operator of Pinball Pal has had some VERY serious health issues and is slowly recovering.

Pinballpal guy was hospitallized and not doing good last I heard, but he's a good guy, never had trouble before his health kicked his ass, we are all hoping for a recovery, but after this long it seems grim. I wish someone could update his site for him tho, so people quit ordering and getting pissed.

You mean, has this question been asked a million times in the last few months? Yes. He had a massive stroke.

Well, I'm sorry to hear about his health issues. That does truly suck. But how is one supposed to know this, when his site is up with no mention of anything. I guess I was expected to come on here, and search the forum to find an answer about why he doesn't respond? Gimmie a break.

Anyway, my question wasn't about PinballPal, it was about the product that someone else posted in this thread. You don't need to be a dick about it.

Nice, thanks a lot. I'll give it a shot.

How thick is it? Does it effect ball movement at all?

That stuff is the thinnest that I have found and while it lies above the playfield it is not by much at all. It doesn't have much effect on the ball IMO. It is so thin and sticks though so it makes it tougher to remove than some other non adhesive static cling vinyl.

Great, thanks again. Going to order some now.

Since there are many new people to the hobby, I would like to usher in some caution with any Mylar/vinyl type product. If you use the stuff on a playfield, be careful if you choose to remove it. Insert damage and other bad stuff can happen. Here is a nice post to read as it is educational on these types of protectors.

https://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.pinball/browse_thread/thread/8828e93db2d239c7/d327f088db87d84c?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=pinball+pal+mylar+pulling+up#

This stuff does not have the type of adhesive you are referring to jimjim. I never put old style highly adhesive mylar on my pins. I have used similar stuff pinball pal and static cling vinyl on my playfields for a long time the material is easy to take off and apply.

I have to retract some of the statement I made regarding the Friskit film gloss. It is so thin that even the light adhesive to make it a tough to take off. And I agree with JimJim you should always be careful with adhesive material on inserts if you plan to be removing it. That is sound advice for sure. If it has adhesive make sure it is very light and don't use on lifting or bubling inserts.

The best thing if you want to make sure it is easy to remove would be to use would be super thin static cling vinyl. That is what I have used with good results for protection and being easy to remove. It may be a little thicker than the Friskit film but not by much.

Has anyone used traditional methods for Mylar removal (e.g., a little heat, or freeze spray) to remove vinyl?

I have several machines with PinballPal vinyl in them. I don't plan on removing it (as its working great) but if I do I certainly plan on taking some simple safety measures and working slow.

Some of the damage pics I've seen make it looked like guys ripped it off quickly. Oh and one step I took was to always lay down carnauba wax before the vinyl. I can't imagine it's got that strong of a hold with that in mind.

Rarehero had the stealth protectors from pinball pal remove some of his insert on his NGG. However, the insert already had some damage prior to installing the vinyl so that might have contributed to it. I have stealth protectors on a lot of my games and figured when the time comes I would try to use freeze spray or heat method just to be safe. My only concern with using freeze spray is the vinyl might just crack and come off in small pieces since it's not heavy duty like mylar, so I am thinking a little heat to loosen up the adhesive might be the way to go.

oh no, pinball pal gone? shoot!!! was just going to order from there too. damn.

Hey Hank527. I was just going to order some Stealth Protectors, but came across your post on an alternative. Which link below is the better to purchase that won't lift any artwork without any adhesive backing. Thanks for your help.

http://www.amazon.com/Team-Plastics-Static-Cling-Vinyl/dp/B0048HCSI8/ref=sr_1_1

This is the stuff. Works great and now I have a ton of it
http://www.dickblick.com/products/badger-gloss-fotofrisket-film/