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Pinball "too complicated" for kids these days?

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#196 2 years ago

I really don't know if it's fair to say that it's too complicated for kids today I think in reality pinball is just plain too complicated and too hard period to attract a super wide audience. There are no levels in pinball -- it's on hard mode from the first plunge. Rules are super complicated -- even when I just played The pinball arcade I had to go back to the rules page over and over and over again -- and these were for the simple williams games. Both these things are huge barriers to getting into pinball -- of course it's these same things that make it so fun and addictive once you do get it.

Back to the kids -- , I think pinball has been non-kid relevant for close to forty years, basically once the atari 2600 came out. No longer were games constrained by needing to generate revenue by quarter sucking -- and therefore high score chasing became a minor aspect of the hobby/activity. I remember our big christmas present one year was a beat up Genesis pinball machine. We all thought it was neat, but were kind of confused by it. I think it was only when we got in our 20's that we first revealed the robot underneath the table -- it was very shocking! I'm 52 and even back when I was a kid pinball machines were these weird/hard devices that frustrated me whenever I tried to play them compared to video games. I felt like a moron playing them.

Anyway, long story short -- I don't think this is the best example of how kids these days are different. If this was 30 years ago, I think you'd have the same experience.

#199 2 years ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

Why wait for a $1k NGG when you can have mine RIGHT NOW for $10k!?!?!

To people like me, EMs are simple to the point of "what's even the point?". They're static, slow, and boring. Music, sound FX, voices, light shows, interactive mechs go a long way to make it more of a magical interactive experience. An EM is just like...a slab of wood with holes that makes doorbell sounds. . It's probably because I'm a child of the 80s who grew up with video games, so music & sound is an essential part of a game. I can't play Fortnite or Rocket League because there's no music...but I LOOOOOVE Splatoon! Amazing music that accentuates the gameplay!
I love TNA, which is kind of like an EM...but the music, lights, and rules really suck me in & makes for an incredible experience.

I really miss my TNA. There are times where I think I should sell my two pins and go to just this one -- it's such a great game if you just play pinball every once and a while and great to play with friends and family. So many great tense moments where you have the ball cradled on your flipper, trying to get to your farthest reactor and having no safe shots.

The only negative to this scenario is that I would break it in two at some point. It made me such an angry human -- I think I'm not evolved enough to handle this game

P.S. Rocket league is awesome!

#206 2 years ago
Quoted from happyclan:

Pinball dies with GenX. There's no social factor to pinball like it was. It's not the competing with digital games/screens. Kids just don't want to enjoy a machine while dad/grandpa stare over their shoulder.
Kids like kids. Kids like chaos. All the nostalgia we have comes from days of airports, bus stops, pizza parlors, and most importantly...arcades. And I'm talking a busy, multistory, everyone-come-out-Friday arcade. You could stay up late, eat candy, buy cigarettes, get into fights, and make memories. This entire experience has moved into online games.
And where do you play pinball? Cleaned-up places with craft beers and dad-rock. Can you walk in there and beat the hell out of a $15K JJP? No way. Is there a Centaur to punch when it backtalks you? No.
Enjoy the swan song boys. Our pins go up on auction blocks when we die.

The thing is that these kids will eventually be our age. I had no nostalgia for pinball and only got into it by playing pinball arcade. Pinball has a lot of weaknesses, but its strength is that it's actually a fun game that stands the test of time -- not just something that taps into nostalgia like arguably a lot of older video games. Not saying pinball will thrive in the future, there are a lot of things working against it, I just don't think old people dying off is going to be what kills it.

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