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Pinball returns to Twin Galaxies with worldwide Walking Dead tournament


By ifpapinball

3 years ago



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    #1 3 years ago

    Twin Galaxies, in close partnership with the International Flipper Pinball Association (IFPA) has jointly decided to open the all-new adjudication process to the pinball community as an exciting experiment to see if competitive leaderboard pinball can once again take place successfully on the Twin Galaxies scoreboards!

    The inaugural pinball game is The Walking Dead from Stern Pinball (http://www.sternpinball.com/games/the-walking-dead/pro) and there is a special BOUNTY reward for the player who is able to hold on to the #1 rank spot!!!

    Whomever is in the #1 rank position by SCS Day (February 13th, 2016, 6pm CST) will receive $100 cash, a custom TWD trophy, and signed TWD translite.

    “We are very excited about this opportunity to work with Twin Galaxies and bring more options into the competitive pinball world,” said Josh Sharpe, President of the IFPA, “we hope that the Twin Galaxies leaderboards can be a fun way to have year round competition in-between our official IFPA events!”

    “It is an honor to be working with Josh Sharpe and the Pinball community. It is our fondest wish to be able to bring additional value and recognition to pinball players everywhere and help include them into the overall worldwide perception electronic gaming community that Twin Galaxies fiercely supports.”

    If you are new to Twin Galaxies and want to compete, you can visit this link to learn how to sign up (its free!)
    http://www.twingalaxies.com/help

    The Twin Galaxies rules and competitive track can be found here:
    http://www.twingalaxies.com/scores.php?scores=197392&ref=fbshare

    A tutorial on how to record your pinball submission can be found here:
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8eeEvH3m4jaL4vKSDxVJM9QCYOvHaQiq

    Any questions please contact the IFPA at ifpapinball@gmail.com

    #2 3 years ago

    Walking Dead PRO and PREMIUM / LE have the same shared high score table???

    No fixed rom ver? Even when there can be big scoring changes from one to an other?

    No check for hacked / moded roms?

    #3 3 years ago
    Quoted from Joe_Blasi:

    Walking Dead PRO and PREMIUM / LE have the same shared high score table???
    No fixed rom ver? Even when there can be big scoring changes from one to an other?
    No check for hacked / moded roms?

    Gotta concur, Pro and Prem/LE are pretty damn different games with or without walker bombs. Not really a fair match.

    Hacked ROMs? Where is that happening? No one has hacked scoring on SAM that I'm aware of.

    ROM version should be standardized to the recent update though, it's probably closer to final, and has a lot of scoring adjustments.

    #4 3 years ago
    Quoted from Joe_Blasi:

    No fixed rom ver? Even when there can be big scoring changes from one to an other?
    No check for hacked / moded roms?

    Check the Youtube link. Twin Galaxies shows what you must show them to show that your game is properly configured to be eligible. This includes a software check.

    #5 3 years ago

    How do things like pitch get accounted for?

    #6 3 years ago
    Quoted from frolic:

    How do things like pitch get accounted for?

    There's a demo video of how you show the settings of your game.

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8eeEvH3m4jaL4vKSDxVJM9QCYOvHaQiq

    This link shows all the hardware and software requirements:

    http://www.twingalaxies.com/scores.php?scores=197392&ref=fbshare

    We require version 1.41 or newer (up to the player) and allow pro/premium/LE (again up to the player submitting).

    Like our King of the Ring campaign it's completely FREE to enter, and is a test to see if something like this can actually be pulled off globally. Time will tell ...

    #7 3 years ago
    Quoted from Joe_Blasi:

    No check for hacked / moded roms?

    The biggest part of this process is the vetting process of results. This is what TG uses for their video game high score submissions. Every submission gets peer reviewed and there's a chance for reviewers to comment on the video and bring to light and perceived shenanigans. The reputation of the player submitting is on the line with each submission so YMMV in terms of finding ways to cheat and then hiding that throughout the entire video submission.

    Some 'advantages' will just exist (for example carpeted floor versus concrete floor), but that's what makes this experimental. Gotta start with something

    #8 3 years ago
    Quoted from ifpapinball:

    The biggest part of this process is the vetting process of results. This is what TG uses for their video game high score submissions. Every submission gets peer reviewed and there's a chance for reviewers to comment on the video and bring to light and perceived shenanigans. The reputation of the player submitting is on the line with each submission so YMMV in terms of finding ways to cheat and then hiding that throughout the entire video submission.
    Some 'advantages' will just exist (for example carpeted floor versus concrete floor), but that's what makes this experimental. Gotta start with something

    At the very least breakup pro and PREMIUM / LE. They are not the same game.

    Also rom ver with there scoring adjustments / rule changes from one to an other needs to be fixed like other games in TG.

    Both things are stuff that can't really fixed with peer review.

    Also what is the rule on game play bugs? (TG does have some rules for Video games that kind of cover that)

    Stuck balls? (they did not list any thing about that there rules are for that?)
    Broken / not fully working games? (makes peer reviewed a little iffy for people who may not know if a game is working right but see something that makes them thing it is broken)

    They say ball saver off but valid playfield is still on and will save balls for that.

    #9 3 years ago
    Quoted from Joe_Blasi:

    At the very least breakup pro and PREMIUM / LE. They are not the same game.
    Also rom ver with there scoring adjustments / rule changes from one to an other needs to be fixed like other games in TG.
    Both things are stuff that can't really fixed with peer review.
    Also what is the rule on game play bugs? (TG does have some rules for Video games that kind of cover that)
    Stuck balls? (they did not list any thing about that there rules are for that?)
    Broken / not fully working games? (makes peer reviewed a little iffy for people who may not know if a game is working right but see something that makes them thing it is broken)
    They say ball saver off but valid playfield is still on and will save balls for that.

    Doesn't seem like a big deal for this. Considering that something like this already requires someone to be owning the game, limiting it to just Pro or LE would be limiting your playerbase too much.

    It's not like this is any sort of big-time competition, just a fun thing to do if you have a Walking Dead, and maybe take home a nice prize from it. Plus it's more of a test to see what works and what doesn't in a format like this.

    #10 3 years ago
    Quoted from Joe_Blasi:

    Also what is the rule on game play bugs? (TG does have some rules for Video games that kind of cover that)
    Stuck balls? (they did not list any thing about that there rules are for that?)
    Broken / not fully working games? (makes peer reviewed a little iffy for people who may not know if a game is working right but see something that makes them thing it is broken)
    They say ball saver off but valid playfield is still on and will save balls for that.

    Everything will be comment-able in the peer review process

    Good luck freeing a stuck ball on video and accidentally knocking down 4 sets of drop targets.

    Valid playfield is also something that is easily comment-able:

    One user posts "at 13 minutes he plunged ball two, drained and got the ball back and the display still showed ball two"

    Second user posts "that's fine, the playfield wasn't valid because he only hit the following switches"

    At some point everything will come down to the smell test (or in this case the sight test).

    If we were playing for $100,000 I'd offer Lyman half of that to put in some cheater flipper code, and chances are enough people know how the game SHOULD be behaving, that I'll be busted for the game giving out points it shouldn't be giving out.

    I nominate you Joe to review every video submission for fairness. Nobody will sneak anything by you

    And to limit the audience to PRO OR LE just doesn't make sense for this initial push. We're not starting this campaign by already making things confusing from the start. Set up any walking dead to our specs, get that camera going, and join in the fun!

    -3
    #11 3 years ago

    Seriously, Twin Galaxies. Read your post and fix the grammar if you want to be taken seriously. Why did you capitalize "Returns" and not the rest of the headline? And there's a a "T" at the end of Tournament.

    #12 3 years ago

    What are the specs on where and how many cameras are to be placed? One continuous video or multiple vids from verification till end game? What has to be visible at all times in a submission video? At the end of a game does the submitter need to verify all requirements still intact?

    Sure can think of more later. Much harder to make a pinball video submission than a videogame one that ensures everything is legit I'd think.

    Good luck with the submissions.

    -7
    #13 3 years ago

    And seriously, a $100 prize? TW needs to stop acting like this is 1981. Who would go through this effort for $100? Heck, I'll pay $101 to whoever finishes 2nd.

    #14 3 years ago

    Seriously, that wasn't Twin Galaxies. That was just me and my poor grammar skills on display (490 verbal SAT ftw!)

    I'll be sure to fix that as to not impact our ability for this campaign to be taken seriously

    -1
    #15 3 years ago
    Quoted from ifpapinball:

    Seriously, that wasn't Twin Galaxies. That was just me and my poor grammar skills on display (490 verbal SAT ftw!)
    I'll be sure to fix that as to not impact our ability for this campaign to be taken seriously

    No worries bro. Who's even running Twin Galaxies these days? Is Richie Knucklez still part of it? Or is it 1Up?

    #16 3 years ago
    Quoted from GravitaR:

    What are the specs on where and how many cameras are to be placed? One continuous video or multiple vids from verification till end game? What has to be visible at all times in a submission video? At the end of a game does the submitter need to verify all requirements still intact?
    Sure can think of more later. Much harder to make a pinball video submission than a videogame one that ensures everything is legit I'd think.
    Good luck with the submissions.

    We're learning as we go Todd. "Do the best you can to show how much you're not cheating" is my motto.

    So one continuous shot would be beneficial. I wouldn't bother showing the setup after the game if you do that. The peer review process over time will hopefully dictate what becomes the most acceptable way to submit.

    When I submit mine I plan on doing the one continuous shot, Blair Witch cam and all while I show off all the settings, followed by me trying to mount my camera on the rig, followed by me realizing I mounted it backwards, followed by me correcting it, followed by me playing 10 games in a row and not having any good ones so I can delete the file

    #17 3 years ago
    Quoted from kaneda:

    And seriously, a $100 prize? TW needs to stop acting like this is 1981. Who would go through this effort for $100? Heck, I'll pay $101 to whoever finishes 2nd.

    Kaneda ... Bro ... The $100 is coming out of my own pocket because I wanted to seed this thing with SOMETHING

    TG is simply offering the website, space to host the videos, and allowing us to be part of their enormous world on the video game side to see if we (IFPA) get any benefit out of it.

    I'll gladly take your $101 if you're serious so we can give that away, and I'll bump up first place to $102 (plus a Coast 2 Coast Tshirt that Nate shivers has donated to help raise the pot).

    Like most campaigns we do it's super grass roots, and super not flashy.

    #18 3 years ago
    Quoted from kaneda:

    No worries bro. Who's even running Twin Galaxies these days? Is Richie Knucklez still part of it? Or is it 1Up?

    We got a random email into the IFPA inbox from Jace Hall who appears to be "Head Custodian" for Twin Galaxies (whatever that means).

    I had a couple of phone calls with Jace to talk through the logistics of how it will all work, and we're giving it a shot to see if it goes anywhere with home owners.

    If it doesn't no big deal ... If it does we'll expand the game list and try to do more of these global his score challenge events.

    PM me for where to send that $101

    #19 3 years ago

    Bump for ifpa.

    #20 3 years ago

    Kaneda always has his money where his mouth is. I expect to see the new prize pool update posted on the IFPA website soon.

    #21 3 years ago

    I suspect that the new relationship Twin Galaxies has with the Banning facility is helping them get into pinball.

    Nothing has to be perfect, get it started, and improve it the next time. As always Josh is a great ambassador for the hobby.

    #22 3 years ago
    Quoted from ifpapinball:

    Everything will be comment-able in the peer review process
    Good luck freeing a stuck ball on video and accidentally knocking down 4 sets of drop targets.
    Valid playfield is also something that is easily comment-able:
    One user posts "at 13 minutes he plunged ball two, drained and got the ball back and the display still showed ball two"
    Second user posts "that's fine, the playfield wasn't valid because he only hit the following switches"
    At some point everything will come down to the smell test (or in this case the sight test).
    If we were playing for $100,000 I'd offer Lyman half of that to put in some cheater flipper code, and chances are enough people know how the game SHOULD be behaving, that I'll be busted for the game giving out points it shouldn't be giving out.
    I nominate you Joe to review every video submission for fairness. Nobody will sneak anything by you
    And to limit the audience to PRO OR LE just doesn't make sense for this initial push. We're not starting this campaign by already making things confusing from the start. Set up any Walking Dead to our specs, get that camera going, and join in the fun!

    Quoted from ifpapinball:

    Everything will be comment-able in the peer review process
    Good luck freeing a stuck ball on video and accidentally knocking down 4 sets of drop targets.
    Valid playfield is also something that is easily comment-able:
    One user posts "at 13 minutes he plunged ball two, drained and got the ball back and the display still showed ball two"
    Second user posts "that's fine, the playfield wasn't valid because he only hit the following switches"
    At some point everything will come down to the smell test (or in this case the sight test).
    If we were playing for $100,000 I'd offer Lyman half of that to put in some cheater flipper code, and chances are enough people know how the game SHOULD be behaving, that I'll be busted for the game giving out points it shouldn't be giving out.
    I nominate you Joe to review every video submission for fairness. Nobody will sneak anything by you
    And to limit the audience to PRO OR LE just doesn't make sense for this initial push. We're not starting this campaign by already making things confusing from the start. Set up any Walking Dead to our specs, get that camera going, and join in the fun!

    Valid play field should be expended in the general rules just so that people who are not big pinball people know about it before hand or set ball saver to 1 sec (But on TWD it's seems to not count bummer time). 1 sec seems to at least trun the light on to tell people that playfield is valid.

    There should be some kind of stuck ball rule just so there is some thing to point to so there is not a big debate maybe not now but latter.

    I don't know if I have the time to look at videos to check them and for some stuff having a live view is better.

    Having cheater flipper code is one thing but an other thing is bugs in games that can look like a cheat to some one.

    Well for PRO OR LE on some games the LE stuff can be disabled to make it play the same.

    What about rom ver's other then just must later then X ver? Down the road for new games they have big changes from one to an other.

    #23 3 years ago

    Great work Josh and Twin Galaxies. Ideas like this further engage the hobbyists and players to participate and be part of the pinball community. There is a lot of potential here, if it goes well, for publicity and charity. Best of luck.

    Chris

    #24 3 years ago

    Ifpapinball, please tell Walter that Mitch from old, and now the new Gameroom Magazine wishes TG well with this! Sounds like a fun idea.

    Maybe an article in this....but definitely news section worthy!

    #25 3 years ago
    Quoted from ifpapinball:

    Some 'advantages' will just exist (for example carpeted floor versus concrete floor), but that's what makes this experimental. Gotta start with something

    As an aside, can anyone tell me the difference between carpet and concrete flooring -how either one is advantageous over the other?

    #26 3 years ago

    It is much easier to move the machine without tilting on a concrete floor, also easier to do death saves IMO... I put footies on my hardwood floor so players cannot do this, can still nudge but cannot move the machine halfway across the room to save a ball.

    Quoted from Chambahz:

    As an aside, can anyone tell me the difference between carpet and concrete flooring -how either one is advantageous over the other?

    #27 3 years ago

    This seems like a much better way to do this as compared to the WWE worldwide thing. There was basically no proof or evidence that the WWE scores were legit other than a photo of someone standing next to the score on the DMD. So many are complaining about the rules on this TWD thing, but it seems far more legitimate way to do something like this.

    I for one cannot imagine uploading a gazillion megabyte file when I rock a 45 minute game of TWD!

    #28 3 years ago

    Where's the money, Kaneda?

    I think this is a cool thing to try. Good luck!

    #29 3 years ago

    Great idea. I hope it takes off

    #30 3 years ago
    Quoted from LOTR_breath:

    I for one cannot imagine uploading a gazillion megabyte file when I rock a 45 minute game of TWD!

    I actually asked them about it and they have video game submissions in the multiple hours (plural) that they have had to deal with.

    I could go on about some compression they do on their site to handle everything, or they have mountains of servers to be able to handle it, but honestly I have no idea .... Jace simply laughed and said that wouldn't be an issue for us.

    #31 3 years ago

    Indeed as some of those videogaming sessions last days.

    #32 3 years ago

    I think this is pretty cool idea, if I had a TWD at home id enter. If I had one on location I'd work with the owner to setup some designated times to have the public come in and try to put up a best score. I understand the game would be on free-play so the participants could just hand me 50 cents per game or id work with owner to have a different arrangement.

    #33 3 years ago

    Sent a note to Josh and gonna chat one day soon about trying to go big with some pinball activation. This TG thing could be cool. Just seems like a lot of work for $100

    #34 3 years ago
    Quoted from kaneda:

    Sent a note to Josh and gonna chat one day soon about trying to go big with some pinball activation. This TG thing could be cool. Just seems like a lot of work for $100

    maybe you could get pepsi to sponsor an event.

    #35 3 years ago
    Quoted from kaneda:

    Just seems like a lot of work for $100

    I've done a ton more work for a lot less than that over the years

    #36 3 years ago

    Get nuka cola to sponsor it!!!!

    #37 3 years ago

    Can't wait till it's a pin I have! How about mmr? Great idea. I watched king of Kong (incredible movie btw) and got familiar with twin galaxies. I hope to make an entry some day.

    #38 3 years ago
    Quoted from kaneda:

    Sent a note to Josh and gonna chat one day soon about trying to go big with some pinball activation. This TG thing could be cool. Just seems like a lot of work for $100

    Perhaps it's really just for fun, though?

    #39 3 years ago

    i vote WOZ next! (or Black Hole, or Funhouse, or STTNG...)

    #40 3 years ago
    Quoted from pezpunk:

    i vote WOZ next! (or Black Hole, or Funhouse, or STTNG...)

    You think we could get Gottlieb or Williams to donate some prizes?

    #41 3 years ago
    Quoted from DefaultGen:

    You think we could get Gottlieb or Williams to donate some prizes?

    nah, but Kaneda might!

    #42 3 years ago
    Quoted from kaneda:

    Sent a note to Josh and gonna chat one day soon about trying to go big with some pinball activation. This TG thing could be cool. Just seems like a lot of work for $100

    I don't think Josh wants a note, he wants you to forward $101 as pledged for second prize.

    #43 3 years ago
    Quoted from Shastings:

    I don't think Josh wants a note, he wants you to forward $101 as pledged for second prize.

    He'll get it. Well 2nd place will get it, but him first

    #44 3 years ago
    Quoted from Joe_Blasi:

    Stuck balls? (they did not list any thing about that there rules are for that?)

    I'd suggest that any game with a stuck ball is not eligible to be in this competition.

    As a more general observation, I like the idea of involving people in on-line forums as a way of brainstorming all the contingencies that need to be addressed. This notion of continuous "hardening" of the design with input via on-line discussion is what made IPDB the great community-built resource it is, and it helps a lot for show administration and many other aspects of pinball.
    .................David Marston

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    #45 3 years ago

    http://www.ifpapinball.com/jon-replogle-world-record-holder-on-the-walking-dead-pinball/

    Unfortunately . . . a complete bust. The world couldn't handle this awesomeness

    #46 3 years ago

    Dooooooh .... I should have filmed that 499m I got last night.

    Congratulations to Jon! Hopefully he splits the $100 with his lovely wife.

    rd

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