We know virtually nothing about the situation. Pinball Rescue has done good things for a lot of people for a long time. They couldn't reach a deal with PPS and that sucks, but they aren't doing anything that can't be replicated or picked up by any other vendor. Laserific seems to have no issues working with PPS along with various other companies on Pinside that are making official products now.

IPB (as we knew it) is gone, and it appears it's going to take some time to find new suppliers willing to play the PPS game, which again can't be that bad as many vendors are already. I just can't wrap my head around some of these posts that are making wild and crazy assumptions so convinced they know exactly what's going on.

There will be less pinball parts out there for a while, but everyone seems to think that's PPS's fault, and it's not. It's because IPB doesn't exist and the transition is going to take time. If Pinball Rescue isn't the vendor to make those stickers and those plastics, then it'll be someone else. But not overnight.

I guess I'm saving my anger, and outrage, and boycott for the day PPS actually does something wrong or shitty. They paid the money, they have their way of doing things, adapt or move aside. In a few months, if at least some of this stuff isn't available again, lets break out the pitchforks. If there is demand there is money to be made, and if there is money to be made, the products will be there.

Are these details speculation or fact? Because in this thread I see very few facts and a bunch of conclusions being made.

If there is money to be made, someone will make them. Apparently it won't be Pinball Rescue but someone will. This is a bit of a transitional period. Let's not assume PPS doesn't want people to have these sorts of things until they prove it by not making them available in an amount of time that's fair for them to get all this stuff up and going.

I'm going to assume PPS doesn't expect them to make licensed products for a loss. If my assumtion is correct and it's not about the money like you state, there would be an agreement in place right now between PR and PPS.

I think this is an opportunity for smaller companies like Mezelmods to step up and start picking up the slack. There are a ton of very small mod dealers on Pinside, I think the transition into some licensed stuff would be easy and economical for them in at least some cases, like stickers.

Okay, there is no money to be made. What is PPS supposed to do? Let them make products for free? We all know what kind of issues that would lead to, a recent bankruptcy comes to mind.

We'll never know. And they were unwilling to tell PPS. We can throw statements like this around all day, it may be true, it may not. Nobody knows what they made except them. That's my point.

And this is the key. Rick has stated they have asked PR for their books. Everyone here is so convinced PR hasn't made any money, and maybe they haven't. But maybe they have, maybe they make more than everyone here thinks.

But they wouldn't show that to PPS. PPS asked them if they made any money and they decided to keep it a secret. Why? If they weren't making any money, why not just show that to PPS and the deal could be based on financial realities.

If PR comes in here and says they proved they didn't make any money and PPS shut them down because they need a cut, I'll happily grab a pitch fork with the rest of you. That would just be spite.

It appears that PPS believes there is money being made, PR says there isn't apparently, this could be settled.

But we know nothing, and I refuse to jump to one of several illogical conclusions contained in this thread.

If PR isn't making any money, then there is no licensing to collect? Making the assumption that PR isn't going to sell products for a loss.

From what I understand from Rick's post, PR made claims related to what they sell, how much, what their previous deal was etc. All Rick did was ask for the supporting documentation and was denied.

That doesn't sound right, but it's all we know. When you make a claim, and documentation exists that proves or supports what you claim but you refuse to show it, that's just shady.

That is Rick's version of the story. There may be more to it, or not, but it's all the first hand knowledge we have right now so I'm not sure why there is so much hate on PPS. If this is true, and this is what happened, and I'm not even saying it is, I wouldn't deal with them either.

Yes, that was the problem. They told them what the agreement was, they refused to prove it.

Only bought glass and parts from him at shows

More assumptions and doomsday scenarios. Again, could be true, but I don't know this and you don't know this.

Right, you dealt with Gene so you have inside knowledge about what's going on between PPS and PR? You don't know and neither do I, but at least I'm not pretending like I do.

Thanks for explaining an alternate position without any personal attacks, getting rare on here

I think you are 100% right. I think the solution is there and it is simple. But we shouldn't assume it's all PPS and none if this was caused by PR themselves. Just posting this on Pinside proves to me anyway that they are not the most professional people to deal with. Maybe if both these guys can take a step back and figure it out, they can figure it out.

I do know this thread didn't help.

Alright, what do you know and who told you? I don't know what I'm talking about, that's 100% fine with me. You are in the know, prove me wrong. Who told you there is no paperwork in existance to show PPS, making their request impossible and being unfairly shut down? Did you hear that right from PR? Why not just say so?

I'm not going to do anything with it. But you can see how actual facts make a difference as apposed to just assumptions?

PPS thinks they have documents, PR says they don't. That's where these guys are at.

Very few people on this thread do...