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Pinball price BUBBLE ... think it can't happen? THINK AGAIN!

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    #251 23 days ago

    21 years of "Bubble burst" predictions refresher course. Yes, this actual thread is listed back in 2011.

    2000:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/gzU8ZAOxvUE/qII_fx4klQ0J

    2001:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20decrease%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/3XZf_itbXjY/QI04T4Qr9UkJ

    2002:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20price$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/8CDhldb5kyw/JxQRQPIGmQwJ

    2003:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20market$20price$20fall%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/clAO0zIHHfQ/CbExiOZrldIJ

    2004:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20decrease%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/pXZDb-2V6Yk/GSPWq06-nWsJ

    2005:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/ACTs0HpQktA/x-C5LZAF180J

    2006:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20price$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/dBrqPnk7mkk/nQYyh65_fewJ

    2007:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20prices$20fall%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/femnxuH8a1k/oeXzsItDbOQJ

    2008:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/44iMVjwb68o/wXb8-3F9vOIJ

    2009:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20market%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/JsgTrS05pCc/8pB5t9oUqTAJ

    2010:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20market%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/hNRZGnOAZ-Y/bs8Js1M7sUAJ

    2011:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/DlcZoruS0Bo/VO_cueyPCEQJ

    2012:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-price-bubble-think-it-cant-happen-think-again

    2013:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-price-bubble-will-pop

    2014:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/this-is-not-a-rebirth-of-pinball-its-a-bubble

    2015:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/we-all-want-the-ass-to-drop-out-of-pinball

    2016:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/when-will-the-stern-bubble-burst

    2017:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/are-we-in-a-pinball-bubble

    2018:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/why-i-feel-pinball-prices-are-going-to-plummet

    2019:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/will-pinball-prices-come-down-

    2020:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/prices-dropping-

    2021 (this year has been a fuggin BANNER YEAR for price bubble threads...maybe it's something in the vaccines):
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-pricing-bubble-due-to-covid-one-nine

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/similarities-with-pinball-market-amp-the-2008-housing-crash

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/next-pinball-depression-

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/how-to-feel-about-these-exorbitant-pinball-prices/page/2#post-6254131

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pingreed-is-a-cancer-is-there-a-cure

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/prices-of-pinball-machines-today#post-6229413

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinflation-or-inflation

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/price-gouging

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/f-you-stern-and-your-price-increases

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/are-pinballs-the-beanie-baby-craze-of-the-2020s

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/we-have-jumped-the-shark

    #252 23 days ago
    Quoted from metallik:

    I see you're in MO, that's kinda on the edge of midwestern civilization...

    KC is officially the edge -- Until you hit Denver, CO.. Then your back in the thick of things.

    #253 23 days ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    21 years of "Bubble burst" predictions refresher course. Yes, this actual thread is listed back in 2011.
    2000:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/gzU8ZAOxvUE/qII_fx4klQ0J
    2001:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20decrease%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/3XZf_itbXjY/QI04T4Qr9UkJ
    2002:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20price$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/8CDhldb5kyw/JxQRQPIGmQwJ
    2003:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20market$20price$20fall%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/clAO0zIHHfQ/CbExiOZrldIJ
    2004:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20decrease%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/pXZDb-2V6Yk/GSPWq06-nWsJ
    2005:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/ACTs0HpQktA/x-C5LZAF180J
    2006:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20price$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/dBrqPnk7mkk/nQYyh65_fewJ
    2007:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20prices$20fall%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/femnxuH8a1k/oeXzsItDbOQJ
    2008:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/44iMVjwb68o/wXb8-3F9vOIJ
    2009:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20market%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/JsgTrS05pCc/8pB5t9oUqTAJ
    2010:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20market%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/hNRZGnOAZ-Y/bs8Js1M7sUAJ
    2011:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/DlcZoruS0Bo/VO_cueyPCEQJ
    2012:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-price-bubble-think-it-cant-happen-think-again
    2013:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-price-bubble-will-pop
    2014:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/this-is-not-a-rebirth-of-pinball-its-a-bubble
    2015:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/we-all-want-the-ass-to-drop-out-of-pinball
    2016:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/when-will-the-stern-bubble-burst
    2017:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/are-we-in-a-pinball-bubble
    2018:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/why-i-feel-pinball-prices-are-going-to-plummet
    2019:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/will-pinball-prices-come-down-
    2020:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/prices-dropping-
    2021 (this year has been a fuggin BANNER YEAR for price bubble threads...maybe it's something in the vaccines):
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-pricing-bubble-due-to-covid-one-nine
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/similarities-with-pinball-market-amp-the-2008-housing-crash
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/next-pinball-depression-
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/how-to-feel-about-these-exorbitant-pinball-prices/page/2#post-6254131
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pingreed-is-a-cancer-is-there-a-cure
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/prices-of-pinball-machines-today#post-6229413
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinflation-or-inflation
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/price-gouging
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/f-you-stern-and-your-price-increases
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/are-pinballs-the-beanie-baby-craze-of-the-2020s
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/we-have-jumped-the-shark

    Pinside: the sky has been officially falling since the turn of the century!

    #254 23 days ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    21 years of "Bubble burst" predictions refresher course. Yes, this actual thread is listed back in 2011.
    2000:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/gzU8ZAOxvUE/qII_fx4klQ0J
    2001:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20decrease%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/3XZf_itbXjY/QI04T4Qr9UkJ
    2002:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20price$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/8CDhldb5kyw/JxQRQPIGmQwJ
    2003:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20market$20price$20fall%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/clAO0zIHHfQ/CbExiOZrldIJ
    2004:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20decrease%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/pXZDb-2V6Yk/GSPWq06-nWsJ
    2005:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/ACTs0HpQktA/x-C5LZAF180J
    2006:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20price$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/dBrqPnk7mkk/nQYyh65_fewJ
    2007:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20prices$20fall%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/femnxuH8a1k/oeXzsItDbOQJ
    2008:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/44iMVjwb68o/wXb8-3F9vOIJ
    2009:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20market%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/JsgTrS05pCc/8pB5t9oUqTAJ
    2010:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20market%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/hNRZGnOAZ-Y/bs8Js1M7sUAJ
    2011:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/DlcZoruS0Bo/VO_cueyPCEQJ
    2012:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-price-bubble-think-it-cant-happen-think-again
    2013:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-price-bubble-will-pop
    2014:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/this-is-not-a-rebirth-of-pinball-its-a-bubble
    2015:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/we-all-want-the-ass-to-drop-out-of-pinball
    2016:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/when-will-the-stern-bubble-burst
    2017:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/are-we-in-a-pinball-bubble
    2018:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/why-i-feel-pinball-prices-are-going-to-plummet
    2019:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/will-pinball-prices-come-down-
    2020:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/prices-dropping-
    2021 (this year has been a fuggin BANNER YEAR for price bubble threads...maybe it's something in the vaccines):
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-pricing-bubble-due-to-covid-one-nine
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/similarities-with-pinball-market-amp-the-2008-housing-crash
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/next-pinball-depression-
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/how-to-feel-about-these-exorbitant-pinball-prices/page/2#post-6254131
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pingreed-is-a-cancer-is-there-a-cure
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/prices-of-pinball-machines-today#post-6229413
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinflation-or-inflation
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/price-gouging
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/f-you-stern-and-your-price-increases
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/are-pinballs-the-beanie-baby-craze-of-the-2020s
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/we-have-jumped-the-shark

    First of all, I'm impressed you took the time to lookup and paste all of the thread references on the top (I've done this on occasion myself). Secondly, I'm always a little surprised (and agitated) how many different threads pop up on the same general topic. I'm on a constant mission to teach people how the Pinside search function works.

    #255 23 days ago
    Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:

    First of all, I'm impressed you took the time to lookup and paste all of the thread references on the top (I've done this on occasion myself). Secondly, I'm always a little surprised (and agitated) how many different threads pop up on the same general topic. I'm on a constant mission to teach people how the Pinside search function works.

    There really is not point in teaching. I've tried this in owners threads. There's a new newb every week asking the same damned question that's been discussed 8000 times, and I become the 'asshole' no matter how polite I try to educate.

    #256 23 days ago
    Quoted from Tranquilize:

    We did see prices coming down before covid. People were taking losses on NIB. I think it will come back down to that soon, but not lower. Crazy times, my friend.

    The secondary market is different. The people that may lose money on NIB later are still paying more than anyone has ever paid for NIB. The prices aren’t going down any time soon. The rate at which they increase could decrease though.

    #257 23 days ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    21 years of "Bubble burst" predictions refresher course. Yes, this actual thread is listed back in 2011.
    2000:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/gzU8ZAOxvUE/qII_fx4klQ0J
    2001:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20decrease%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/3XZf_itbXjY/QI04T4Qr9UkJ
    2002:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20price$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/8CDhldb5kyw/JxQRQPIGmQwJ
    2003:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20market$20price$20fall%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/clAO0zIHHfQ/CbExiOZrldIJ
    2004:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20decrease%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/pXZDb-2V6Yk/GSPWq06-nWsJ
    2005:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/ACTs0HpQktA/x-C5LZAF180J
    2006:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20price$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/dBrqPnk7mkk/nQYyh65_fewJ
    2007:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20prices$20fall%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/femnxuH8a1k/oeXzsItDbOQJ
    2008:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/44iMVjwb68o/wXb8-3F9vOIJ
    2009:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20market%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/JsgTrS05pCc/8pB5t9oUqTAJ
    2010:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20market%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/hNRZGnOAZ-Y/bs8Js1M7sUAJ
    2011:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/DlcZoruS0Bo/VO_cueyPCEQJ
    2012:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-price-bubble-think-it-cant-happen-think-again
    2013:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-price-bubble-will-pop
    2014:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/this-is-not-a-rebirth-of-pinball-its-a-bubble
    2015:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/we-all-want-the-ass-to-drop-out-of-pinball
    2016:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/when-will-the-stern-bubble-burst
    2017:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/are-we-in-a-pinball-bubble
    2018:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/why-i-feel-pinball-prices-are-going-to-plummet
    2019:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/will-pinball-prices-come-down-
    2020:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/prices-dropping-
    2021 (this year has been a fuggin BANNER YEAR for price bubble threads...maybe it's something in the vaccines):
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-pricing-bubble-due-to-covid-one-nine
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/similarities-with-pinball-market-amp-the-2008-housing-crash
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/next-pinball-depression-
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/how-to-feel-about-these-exorbitant-pinball-prices/page/2#post-6254131
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pingreed-is-a-cancer-is-there-a-cure
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/prices-of-pinball-machines-today#post-6229413
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinflation-or-inflation
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/price-gouging
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/f-you-stern-and-your-price-increases
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/are-pinballs-the-beanie-baby-craze-of-the-2020s
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/we-have-jumped-the-shark

    I'm embarrassed to think of the number of those threads I have participated in. Especially back over on RGP.

    I've been collecting now for 25 years. Or at least inactively collecting I would say, I haven't bought or sold much for the last 10 or so years. My favorite vice used to be the coin op auctions where I would normally come home with one or sometimes two machines. Back when those were held in Columbus and Indy and sometimes Kentucky. With $2000 in your pocket you could normally snag 1 or 2 nice machines.

    I wonder how many collectors are like me? I basically have amassed a nice "dream" collection, at least what myself/everyone wanted 15 years ago. When the coin op auctions folded and prices started skyrocketing I just held onto what I have and counted myself lucky to have them. Now I would like to start collecting the newer machines but I can't bring myself to drop ~$8000 on a pinball machine (kudos to everyone that can, I'm not judging, it's just not for me). Certainly I could sell/trade my long term collection to pay for new games but then I like what I have and I know I could never get them back at today's prices. So I'm essentially stuck. Am I alone in this (admittedly not awful) situation?

    #258 23 days ago
    Quoted from viper001:

    I'm embarrassed to think of the number of those threads I have participated in. Especially back over on RGP.
    I've been collecting now for 25 years. Or at least inactively collecting I would say, I haven't bought or sold much for the last 10 or so years. My favorite vice used to be the coin op auctions where I would normally come home with one or sometimes two machines. Back when those were held in Columbus and Indy and sometimes Kentucky. With $2000 in your pocket you could normally snag 1 or 2 nice machines.
    I wonder how many collectors are like me? I basically have amassed a nice "dream" collection, at least what myself/everyone wanted 15 years ago. When the coin op auctions folded and prices started skyrocketing I just held onto what I have and counted myself lucky to have them. Now I would like to start collecting the newer machines but I can't bring myself to drop ~$8000 on a pinball machine (kudos to everyone that can, I'm not judging, it's just not for me). Certainly I could sell/trade my long term collection to pay for new games but then I like what I have and I know I could never get them back at today's prices. So I'm essentially stuck. Am I alone in this (admittedly not awful) situation?

    I'm "like you" in that I started collecting cheap back in the day and have always had a large collection, which I've used to "trade up" many times.

    I'm unlike you in that I've managed to breach the mental barrier of $5000, $6000, even $9000 when I thought a game was a good deal. I've accepted reality and increased my budget on games when appropriate...a good deal is a still a good deal and it's pretty clear that it's still pretty low risk to buy a $7,000 game when I'll be able to sell it for more, or worst case, get my money back, or trade up or down.

    I guess I'm really not married to any game, beyond the AFM that I have no intention of selling. It's just kind of boring to keep the same games year after year.

    It's either wheel and deal, or just pray for the imaginary "bubble burst" that will never come, when everybody ELSE in the hobby suddenly either goes broke and/or loses complete interest in pinball. Doing the math in my head, it just seems unlikely that's going to happen before I'm in an assisted living home, so may as well adapt and participate.

    #259 23 days ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    I'm unlike you in that I've managed to breach the mental barrier of $5000, $6000, even $9000 when I thought a game was a good deal. I've accepted reality and increased my budget on games when appropriate...a good deal is a still a good deal and it's pretty clear that it's still pretty low risk to buy a $7,000 game when I'll be able to sell it for more, or worst case, get my money back, or trade up or down.

    This is good advice which I've actually received from other collectors. And honestly I don't really have a problem with games costing more than they did 20 years ago at auction. Pinball is awesome and it always has been so they should be going up in value. Anything cool should. Heck, I have a new F-150 on order right now that is dangerously close in price to my first house. That is life.

    Maybe I will test the waters by trading something before the end of year. Maybe it's like drugs, once I let the first one go the rest will go down/in/up easier?

    #260 23 days ago
    Quoted from viper001:

    I'm embarrassed to think of the number of those threads I have participated in. Especially back over on RGP.
    I've been collecting now for 25 years. Or at least inactively collecting I would say, I haven't bought or sold much for the last 10 or so years. My favorite vice used to be the coin op auctions where I would normally come home with one or sometimes two machines. Back when those were held in Columbus and Indy and sometimes Kentucky. With $2000 in your pocket you could normally snag 1 or 2 nice machines.
    I wonder how many collectors are like me? I basically have amassed a nice "dream" collection, at least what myself/everyone wanted 15 years ago. When the coin op auctions folded and prices started skyrocketing I just held onto what I have and counted myself lucky to have them. Now I would like to start collecting the newer machines but I can't bring myself to drop ~$8000 on a pinball machine (kudos to everyone that can, I'm not judging, it's just not for me). Certainly I could sell/trade my long term collection to pay for new games but then I like what I have and I know I could never get them back at today's prices. So I'm essentially stuck. Am I alone in this (admittedly not awful) situation?

    Been collecting for almost 11 months and I’ve already participated in to many

    #261 23 days ago
    Quoted from Tranquilize:

    There really is not point in teaching. I've tried this in owners threads. There's a new newb every week asking the same damned question that's been discussed 8000 times, and I become the 'asshole' no matter how polite I try to educate.

    Where it as a badge of honor my friend, and keep up the good fight!

    #262 23 days ago
    Quoted from viper001:

    Maybe I will test the waters by trading something before the end of year.

    Hmm...I wonder if you have a nice TAF?

    #263 23 days ago

    Viper: Trade in the Episode 1 and the Fire! and grab one new Stern. I bet you play the Stern 10x more than either of those two. Any chance getting an EHOH in the basement?

    #264 23 days ago
    Quoted from viper001:

    I'm embarrassed to think of the number of those threads I have participated in. Especially back over on RGP.
    I've been collecting now for 25 years. Or at least inactively collecting I would say, I haven't bought or sold much for the last 10 or so years. My favorite vice used to be the coin op auctions where I would normally come home with one or sometimes two machines. Back when those were held in Columbus and Indy and sometimes Kentucky. With $2000 in your pocket you could normally snag 1 or 2 nice machines.
    I wonder how many collectors are like me? I basically have amassed a nice "dream" collection, at least what myself/everyone wanted 15 years ago. When the coin op auctions folded and prices started skyrocketing I just held onto what I have and counted myself lucky to have them. Now I would like to start collecting the newer machines but I can't bring myself to drop ~$8000 on a pinball machine (kudos to everyone that can, I'm not judging, it's just not for me). Certainly I could sell/trade my long term collection to pay for new games but then I like what I have and I know I could never get them back at today's prices. So I'm essentially stuck. Am I alone in this (admittedly not awful) situation?

    Not alone for sure. Alot of people I know, myself included, have moved more into a sell a game to buy a game mentality. I didn't start collecting until about 2015, but even then you could find alot of DMD games for 2.5K and it was much easier to swallow just paying cash out of pocket. Now I'm looking at people asking and getting 5K for games like NGG and just can't pull the trigger with "real" money.

    #265 23 days ago

    Lots of very successful smart guys on this site and thread.

    I started a bubble thread a year ago

    I believe what stops a bubble burst is “leverage”

    Ask yourself how many guys are leveraged on their games? Not many is my guess mostly cash buyers.

    Any good bubble burst requires leverage of some type, bank calling a note, broker demanding money, divorce (all us ar once getting divorced).

    I just don’t see or can’t imagine where this hobby would suddenly get some type of leverage pressure.

    So I’ve been busy buying. Just got my Elvira 40th anniversary edition today.

    #266 23 days ago
    Quoted from JohnTTwo:

    I just don’t see or can’t imagine where this hobby would suddenly get some type of leverage pressure.

    Space.

    If games start dropping in price, some people might think "I don't want to get stuck with all these games if they're not worth as much" and then they sell and contribute to the crash.

    Now, IMHO this scenario is unlikely anytime soon, as there appears to be an unending supply of people who want to own pinballs and will find any space they can to stash them in.

    #267 23 days ago
    Quoted from metallik:

    Space.

    Now, IMHO this scenario is unlikely anytime soon, as there appears to be an unending supply of people who want to own pinballs and will find any space they can to stash them in.

    Agreed, I know people that have pins in almost every room of their home!

    #268 23 days ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    21 years of "Bubble burst" predictions refresher course. Yes, this actual thread is listed back in 2011.
    2000:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/gzU8ZAOxvUE/qII_fx4klQ0J
    2001:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20decrease%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/3XZf_itbXjY/QI04T4Qr9UkJ
    2002:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20price$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/8CDhldb5kyw/JxQRQPIGmQwJ
    2003:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20market$20price$20fall%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/clAO0zIHHfQ/CbExiOZrldIJ
    2004:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20decrease%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/pXZDb-2V6Yk/GSPWq06-nWsJ
    2005:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/ACTs0HpQktA/x-C5LZAF180J
    2006:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20price$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/dBrqPnk7mkk/nQYyh65_fewJ
    2007:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20prices$20fall%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/femnxuH8a1k/oeXzsItDbOQJ
    2008:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/44iMVjwb68o/wXb8-3F9vOIJ
    2009:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20market%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/JsgTrS05pCc/8pB5t9oUqTAJ
    2010:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20market%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/hNRZGnOAZ-Y/bs8Js1M7sUAJ
    2011:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/DlcZoruS0Bo/VO_cueyPCEQJ
    2012:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-price-bubble-think-it-cant-happen-think-again
    2013:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-price-bubble-will-pop
    2014:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/this-is-not-a-rebirth-of-pinball-its-a-bubble
    2015:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/we-all-want-the-ass-to-drop-out-of-pinball
    2016:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/when-will-the-stern-bubble-burst
    2017:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/are-we-in-a-pinball-bubble
    2018:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/why-i-feel-pinball-prices-are-going-to-plummet
    2019:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/will-pinball-prices-come-down-
    2020:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/prices-dropping-
    2021 (this year has been a fuggin BANNER YEAR for price bubble threads...maybe it's something in the vaccines):
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-pricing-bubble-due-to-covid-one-nine
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/similarities-with-pinball-market-amp-the-2008-housing-crash
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/next-pinball-depression-
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/how-to-feel-about-these-exorbitant-pinball-prices/page/2#post-6254131
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pingreed-is-a-cancer-is-there-a-cure
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/prices-of-pinball-machines-today#post-6229413
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinflation-or-inflation
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/price-gouging
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/f-you-stern-and-your-price-increases
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/are-pinballs-the-beanie-baby-craze-of-the-2020s
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/we-have-jumped-the-shark

    I learned Lloyds middle initial is R. Stands for ‘Rocket?’

    #269 22 days ago
    Quoted from russdx:

    I think for the every 1 person lost to being priced out there is another 3 guys who don't care and will continue to buy, this craziness ain't going away any time soon

    Everything selling out would support this theory.

    #270 22 days ago
    Quoted from metallik:

    Not sure what midwest you're living in, but Ohio is full of cheap housing that we're filling up with pins. Much easier to load up here than on the expensive coasts. Ohio, PA, MI, IL, WI, MN are some of the biggest pinball states in the country.
    EDIT: I see you're in MO, that's kinda on the edge of midwestern civilization...

    Ha, the states just west of us are also midwest. Missouri is damn near right in the center of the country.

    #271 22 days ago

    Wow, one price bubble thread a month this year.
    It has to pop any minute now!
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    #272 22 days ago

    I read all of the previous responses to this thread. It's amazing how correct certain people were with their predictions 10 years or so ago. That is except for the bubble forecasters. It did pain me a bit reading about those that said they were in on Predator and RAZA.

    #273 22 days ago

    There’s a X factor this time ,a global pandemic .I myself got in this hobby just before Covid .I know I’m in for good but what about the others that came after it started ? Will they go back to whatever they were spending $ on before they’re lives changed ?Funny thing is I purchased RR as my first .After a year I sold it for 1k more than I had in it .Just recently I seen one sold for 2.5k more than that .I’ve made a nice profit on the other two games Ive sold .Going through some history I’ve noticed those who buy new and sell fast (pros/prems) seem to lose but just a bit .Anyone who keeps a game for a few years or more will at the least break even .Keeping those same pins for a decade your guaranteed a profit (all this minus Tbirds and a handful of others).So what I’m getting at is it takes time for games to settle in they’re resting spots .Once there they become scarce .Scarce is where it’s at ,so buy a LZ now

    #274 22 days ago

    Okay.. I'm going to go out there and predict a very mild bubble bursting in a few key areas of the market. By mild bubble burst I mean a 10% drop in the price of certain used pins. These pins are: Deadpool Premium, Jurassic Park Premium, Elvira Premium... most of the in demand late model Stern Premiums waiting on a rerun. There is more demand than supply on these which is keeping used examples above NIB prices. Once Stern Re-runs these games (supposedly in 2022) we will go back to them going back to NIB -10% in the secondary market. I don't care what the market is doing, but when I can buy a NIB for less than used I will buy NIB. This will happen again on certain select titles. Turtles and Hot Wheels are about the only pins available NIB in stock right now and I don't see either going for huge premiums.

    #275 22 days ago
    Quoted from Kkoss24:

    Scarce is where it’s at

    And theme. Any theme that has broad appeal to more casual players, especially family friendly, also does well. Games like Munsters and TH that are not highly regarded by more serious players are doing amazingly well with so many new people entering the market. I don’t believe the bubble will burst, but wouldn’t be surprised if titles like these fell back into line, relatively, with their pre-pandemic place.

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    #277 4 days ago
    Quoted from TZBen:

    If woz and or stern with steve are successful in creating great games they bring new people into the hobby who then want the top rated games from the 90's. When I bring someone over to my place to play for the first time they have a great time and start asking questions about upkeep and cost. There is no bubble, How many people reading this thread are new to the hobby within the last 3 years?

    Wise words from 10 years ago.

    #278 4 days ago

    The “THINK AGAIN” Tagline on this thread title cracks me up every time.

    #279 4 days ago
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    #280 3 days ago

    Personally, I've never bought a pinball as an investment. I don't care what happens to the value. However, IF the "bubble" were to burst, or even start to deflate, I still think older classic machines with finite numbers in existence will hold their value pretty well. The newer machines that are readily available would be the first to suffer price wise. I don't think that will happen anytime soon though.

    #281 3 days ago
    Quoted from phil-lee:

    When cash gets short you reach for the easiest possession to unload.
    I have standing offers for most of my meager collection. Where I could make a call and they are here before dark.
    I'm sure there are Folks here with better machines who could liquidate just as quick(right now).
    The question is, will this continue?
    The speculation for a significant price drop hinges on the Avalanche Effect.
    A few crumbs are sold, then someone gets cold feet and lists similar games. A small bidding War, same Titles showing up for sale in the usual places.
    People already freak here when there are several of the same Title offered in Marketplace.
    "Does the game suck? What do they know I don't?"
    Personally, I am alarmed at the amount of Pinball machines that have been sold/ Auctioned/ offered for sale this Year.
    Forget the high prices for a moment.
    Fact is HUNDREDS of machines have moved in 2021.
    Large Museums and Barcades sold out.
    Large Collections liquidated.
    A lot of Newbies have their dream machine.
    How fast are they going to sell if the rent is due, the Baby is hungry?
    Most of the Older Collectors watch the direction of the Sales Wind closely.
    They have been banking on the Big Sale to fuel retirements.
    Disturbing downturns could (will) hasten their decision to call the Auctioneers.
    My opinion only, thats how I see it.

    I think you're onto something here.

    I'm one of those annoying newbies who got their first pin this year and I do plan on keeping it for life, but it's a LOT of money that I know I could recover very quickly in a pinch.

    If there is a downturn in the economy that is sustained you may see a lot of the people who are newer to the hobby selling to recoup money they thought they didn't need. A long time pin owner is probably less likely to be in that situation.

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