Feels like a broken record around here with this 'bubble' talk.

"A" listers keep going up. That is the fact. Speculate all you want, but the longer you wait the more you will tend to pay. While some trade hands, MANY games are settling into the permenant collections of RICH people and hence the supply continues to go down.

Heck... I just found a buddy whose pops has a MINT shadow (I know it is not an "A" title) and he will not sell it for ANY price even though he only plays it less than 20 times a year. It is just a fact that many rich people would rather have the toy than the hassle. These same rich people are buying up the "A" listers with no intent of ever selling.

This bubble you speak of is not coming!

Does anyone actually have some examples of A list games recently going for less?

Does anyone actually want to provide some facts or is it just "if this" and "when that" opinions?

I would like to buy some of these cheaper pins but EVERYTHING I have found recently is more than it was even 8 months ago when I bought my first...

A list and B list have both gone up, heck even older SS machines I would like have gone up.

So more hand waving...

Seriously, can anyone show me some hard facts that denote a real trend? Link me an ebay auction, pinside thread, anything...
Something like, "I just bought a CQ MM for 8k" or "I just sold a routed AFM that needs some work for 5k" would even help your cause.

A MM that needs work selling for just under 10k, a few AFMs that sat more than a few weeks during the summer but eventually sold for a high price, and a couple other guys A list CQ games "struggle" to sell is just more conjecture and not real evidence of anything dropping in price all of a sudden.

Nice TAFs for 4k is not evidence of a price decline. Heck I picked up my nice TAF for less than 4k 8 months ago.

Maybe that is evidence that TAF is stabalized at ~4, but TAf really has not seen a rapid increase either has it?

So they were going for well over $5000 in CA area but selling for $3500 every where else in the country?
Seems to me like anyone looking should have paid $400 to get one shipped from anywhere else...

Asking prices and sale prices are different. Are you sure that the same ones listed for 5000 the past 6mo actually sold and are now not just listed for $4600?

Just pointing out that all the facts I see are that good pins continue to go up (or maybe slightly leveled for certain titles), but I am yet to see any factual evidence of prices going down.

If you actually know of multiple confirmed sales of $5000 from 6 months ago and now comparable machines are being advertised for $4600 then I would still say that you are merely seeing a nice summer dip of a whopping $400 and not a real trend. When they are being sold for 20% or more less of what they were 6 months ago then you may have something to talk about. Untill then it is all just wishful thinking. Trust me, I am right there with you in the wishing dept.

I agree with you on many things, but I think the facts have shown otherwise for the past few years and I do not see that changing. I wish it would and I hope my MM is worth half of what I paid as that means all the other games I would like to own will also be half price

Most of pinside appears to not live off of debt (based on recent polls of buying pins with cash vs. loan/ credit) so hopefully the subsection we represent has this trair in common with the majority of pinball collectors.

Even if people were to start buying pins on credit, if they don't pay the bills then we could expect to see some cheap repo'd pins come up for sale under their market value