Pinball Mfg company competitive... What If curiosity regarding titles.


By Yelobird

3 months ago


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    #1 3 months ago

    OK just a Curiosity no pole required. I have wondered with Several companies now competing for market share and increased secrecy (till "Pinside" gets wind lol) regarding future plans What would these manufacturers do if they found out one of the other guys was doing the Same title?? I can assume from concept to production must take Many months, crazy amounts of cash, and a ton of labor till it sees market. If say Stern was 3 months into design etc on a game and found out say Spooky (enter name doesn't matter) was doing the same would they Ramp up and blast it out to gamble on them backing down or would they pull the reigns back and say we're to late and not worth the gamble on lost market share if they hit it out of the park? We are talking serious cash for these projects and for many companies they only get 1 Maybe 2 swings at market per year. This curiosity hit me after watching a documentary on the toy manufacturers back in the day that would even pay spies to find out what the Other company was doing to beat them to market with a comparable product with hopes to overturn their ship. Barbie (Mattel I believe) was notorious for this. Not that I collect Barbies...There Not Mine! Just a curiosity put to post.

    #2 3 months ago

    i dare say the licence agrement would prohibit a second company using the same title

    also they could just retheme the game,
    suposedly STTNG was going to be Under Siege, the last wrestling game originaly was Hunger Games

    #3 3 months ago

    I have a hard time believing they would compete for any of the titles that have come out lately. Or even any that are rumored to be in production.

    But then again we are seeing the second go round of POTC.

    #4 3 months ago

    1 to 2 years before a title is released, an exclusive licensing agreement is signed.

    You can have 2 KISSs or 4 Playboys - just not at the same time.

    #5 3 months ago

    Understood but say its an Unlicensed theme like Alice in wonderland, Gone with the wind, the Bible whatever? Even an obscure none theme like clowns or cell phones... What if god for bid Stern was hot to make an iPhone theme and got wind of Dialed in? Obscure I know but on the other side of the coin the days of a one horse race are Happily gone. Just crazy thoughts.

    #6 3 months ago
    Quoted from Yelobird:

    an obscure none theme like clowns or cell phones..

    Funny how we got both Kiss and Dialed In at around the same time.

    #7 3 months ago
    Quoted from Yelobird:

    Understood but say its an Unlicensed theme like Alice in wonderland, Gone with the wind, the Bible whatever?

    We would need more companies making unlicensed themes.

    Pinball Magic and Theater of Magic were released in the same year. Not sure how long Capcom's development cycle was, but they were 7 months late to the party on what is essentially the same theme.

    Was there an attempt at secrecy back then? It would seem much less important back when few people were using the internet.

    #8 3 months ago

    This situation did happen to Spooky with the walking dead. They were working on a zombie pinball, So they changed plans and made AMH. Just watched things that go bump in the night which tells the story.

    #9 3 months ago
    Quoted from ryanwanger:

    We would need more companies making unlicensed themes.
    Pinball Magic and Theater of Magic were released in the same year. Not sure how long Capcom's development cycle was, but they were 7 months late to the party on what is essentially the same theme.
    Was there an attempt at secrecy back then? It would seem much less important back when few people were using the internet.

    TOM was initially David Copperfield (note cabinet art spelling) and with even more similarity to Pinball Magic early versions of TOM had a magic wand hand as well.

    No doubt it is too much of a coincidence to suppose the two companies developed these two pins in a complete vacuum from each other.

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    #10 3 months ago

    Blackwater 100 and Banzai Run come to my mind. Two non-licenced motorcycle themed games which competed against each other in 88/89. @ltg might recall or could ask PL. Certainly one of them was created specifically as direct response after learning what else was being made. Both games are pretty different, and would hold different appeal to coin droppers. I don't know if it worked out or not, but back then buyers were Operators and Distributers, who tended to buy more with theme, deals, brand loyalty etc, rather than how good a game was expected to earn as sole criteria.

    I think the theme was viewed with skepticism, as we've had exactly one motorcycle themed pin released since. Care to guess what that non-licensed title was? I believe Dialed-In has saturated the market for cell phone based pins, so if you are hoping for a Spint or AT&T pin, you may be disappointed. Still lots of room for more monsters, demons, ghouls, zombies.

    #11 3 months ago
    Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

    Blackwater 100 and Banzai Run come to my mind. Two non-licenced motorcycle themed games which competed against each other in 88. Certainly one of them was created specifically as direct response after learning what else was being made. Both games are pretty different, and would hold different appeal to coin droppers. I don't know if it worked out or not, but back then buyers were Operators and Distributers, who tend to buy more with theme, deals, etc rather than how good a game was.
    I think the theme was viewed with skepticism, as we've had exactly one motorcycle themed pin released since. Care to guess what that non-licensed title was?

    Full Throttle

    #12 3 months ago
    Quoted from oropuro:

    Full Throttle

    Yep that's the one. To some extent other games have incorporated motorcycles like No Fear, which has an excellent jump ramp. But a motorcycle was not the main theme. Lots more dmd's have embraced racing in general and cars specifically which were usually licensed. Don't remember any dmd's using boats per se.

    #13 3 months ago

    Interesting points and all make sense. So what about on a lessor scale. What about a specific show stopping feature? As a what if example; AP made an Awsome game with the biggest primary wow (not patented) feature being the 22” ball throw. (Very cool and can’t wait to get mine). What if Stern or other said piss on that let’s do that in our next what ever theme and scoop that concept? Heck, we’ll even do a revolving stage (no patent) and call it a revolving box! Stern could surely beat a start up to production with there resources and majorly defuse interest in their offering as same old of sorts. Again, the scenarios are just what popped into my head not real nor of value! Love AP but just wonder if this industry would compete to such levels for $$$ domination.

    #14 3 months ago
    Quoted from pinsanity:

    TOM was initially David Copperfield (note cabinet art spelling) and with even more similarity to Pinball Magic early versions of TOM had a magic wand hand as well.
    No doubt it is too much of a coincidence to suppose the two companies developed these two pins in a complete vacuum from each other.

    Brian Hanson went to Williams and they said it couldn't be done. So he did the magic wand for Capcom.

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