Quoted from ForceFlow:If someone insists on cutting off the chip rather than desoldering, a nipper tool is a much better option.
These work great.
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Quoted from ForceFlow:If someone insists on cutting off the chip rather than desoldering, a nipper tool is a much better option.
I always nip the chip leads as close to the chip as possible and then remove the pins, one at a time. Seems like the risk of board damage is much less this way, but YMMV.
Quoted from zaza:Someone tried to repair a WPC95 CPU-board and used a Dremel to remove the old ICs and then used a 300W solder iron to remove the remains of the traces and solder pads. Then placed sockets on it, making multiple shorts.
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What is the proper temperature to use in this scenario?
Quoted from phil-lee:What is the proper temperature to use in this scenario?
Temperature is dependent on the solder alloy you use.
https://www.kester.com/knowledge-base/alloy-temperature-chart
Quoted from PinJim:Back in my early board repair days, I tried the dremel method.
I did a DMD board with a 4 sided surface mount chip, it takes a steady hand.
Someone suggested heating one pin at a time and bending the leg back and moving to the next which sounds like a safer course of action next time.
Quoted from TecumsehPlissken:What's the spinner from? Looks Myan
That spinner is from a Williams Aztec, odd that was used as a replacement.
Quoted from Classics_Master:That spinner is from a Williams Aztec, odd that was used as a replacement.
It cracked me up. Not sure why they had it in storage.
Does anyone stock the proper one so I can convert it to original? It looks like it uses a strange skinny spinner.
This OP did some crazy hacks to his games. I’m restoring them back now and routing them. He was shocked they actually earn money when they’re working properly!
Norwalk, CA
It cracked me up. Not sure why they had it in storage.
Does anyone stock the proper one so I can convert it to original? It looks like it uses a strange skinny spinner.
This OP did some crazy hacks to his games. I’m restoring them back now and routing them. He was shocked they actually earn money when they’re working properly!
Quoted from girloveswaffles:Seller has two other in box games that were "In Storage" for sale, @$10K and $12K (Avengers and Avengers "Hulk").
In 2019 I bought a NIB X-Men Magneto and a NiB Hulk LE for $6k each. Things sure have changed!
Kicking myself for not getting any pictures of the Bally Vector at the Houston area arcade show last weekend. Covered top to bottom with a glued on puke green fabric. Cab, legs and even the legbolts. Hilariously horrific!
Quoted from Mk1Mod0:Kicking myself for not getting any pictures of the Bally Vector at the Houston area arcade show last weekend. Covered top to bottom with a glued on puke green fabric. Cab, legs and even the legbolts. Hilariously horrific!
It's in the Pinball News article on the show --
https://www.pinballnews.com/site/2021/11/12/houston-arcade-expo-2021
Almost looks guacamole-like...
B-V-green_cab.jpgQuoted from Nikrox2:How many games were played (without a rubber tip) to “mushroom” this bad?
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What did the ball in the game look like??
Quoted from Robotworkshop:What did the ball in the game look like??
Quoted from Nikrox2:How many games were played (without a rubber tip) to “mushroom” this bad?
Looks like a jacketed hollow point.
Quoted from JethroP:Looks like a jacketed hollow point.
Somebody was getting really pissed off about not making the skill shot.
Richard
Quoted from surfsidedetail:Beltmann did this one!
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Looks like a nice game from that angle/ sorry Man.
Quoted from FlipperFix:From a gottlieb Cinderella.
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Consider yourself lucky they didn't use longer screws.
Quoted from surfsidedetail:Beltmann did this one!
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That's the main reason you should never, ever, ship games standing up on their legs!!! They should always be blanketed and wrapped and strapped to a pallet. Sure, they can damage it that way, too, but it's much less likely.
I will move a pinball machine with a pinjack across a room, but if it's going to another floor or another location, the legs come off and it gets dollied around safely and securely.
I have several games including a TZ and a Road Show that both need new leg reinforcing plates because the old ones are all stripped out from the previous owners MOVING THE GAMES ON THEIR LEGS!!!
I think that's also the main reason cabinets split at the corners, on newer and older games. Nobody tilts games hard enough to do that kind of damage. It happens because the game was moved around everywhere with its legs on.
Friends don't let friends ship pinball machines with the legs on! 
Quoted from DCP:Nobody tilts games hard enough to do that kind of damage.
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I've seen someone shove a machine against a wall so hard the front legs lifted about 6". I wouldn't be surprised if people have done worse.
I was gonna say shipping on legs
RED FLAG
People don’t know how to move games with legs on let alone with a forklift!!
One guy I met had an entire football team move a game out of his basement completely in tact
YOU REALLY THINK thats how these were intended to be moved??
I took the head and legs right off and it was Oh didn’t know they did that….
Quoted from ajfclark:These are the same geniuses that don't realise a Jones connector is... a connector...
I bought a Freedom 76 with the harness cut 5cm from the Jones plugs... that was the definition of tedium putting it back together.
Quoted from surfsidedetail:Beltmann did this one!
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No shrink wrap, straps with protectors. Just that moving blanket. 
I shipped an AIQ Pro with legs on across the country - the guy that picked it up was delivering about 6 pins to berk, so he knew how to properly protect machines in transit.
I'm in the legs off and strapped to pallet club myself but if the buyer wants to take the risk... at least Beltman did a great job with our last legs on transaction.
I have been shipping games for over 20 years on legs It’s perfectly fine. I’ve seen pictures and heard stories of crated games with the fork driven through them so I don’t imaging one method is better than the other….
Quoted from P1nhead:I bought a Freedom 76 with the harness cut 5cm from the Jones plugs... that was the definition of tedium putting it back together.
My first pin was a Duotron with the head removed and all wiring neatly cut. Beltman brought my Bobby Orr with legs on and a blanket around the head which was wobbling like a drunken sailor. Had to rebuild the neck but it wasn't bad from the move. Was already rotten.
Shawn
Quoted from Pintopia:I have been shipping games for over 20 years on legs It’s perfectly fine.
It's "perfectly fine" except that it causes hidden damage to the machines that eventually causes problems. Someone else in the future ends up having to deal with it.
I'm sticking with my slogan - "Friends don't let friends ship pinball machines with the legs on!"
Quoted from DCP:It's "perfectly fine" except that it causes hidden damage to the machines that eventually causes problems.
I agree that shipping on the legs is generally less secure than heavily wrapped on the back and on a pallet. I’ve shipped them both ways many times, and I’ve twice had the legs arrive bent. What isn’t as obvious is all the strain on the leg brackets and cabinet from the game being slid, dragged or snagged when the game is improperly moved. It’s not that shipping on the legs is always wrong, but I would say it requires care that shippers aren’t always able or willing to provide. Whenever I ship a game on the legs, I’m always relieved when the game appears to arrive safely. A game can get hurt either way, but I agree the heavily-wrapped and on a pallet method feels safer when it’s possible. These are two I’ve shipped recently.
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Quoted from Playdium:I've seen so many cracked corner joints due to people moving them with the legs on. That can be a deal breaker.
Yes it is a deal breaker
I would be very concerned about accepting a game with the cabinet split at the corner. I agree. I generally replace those old school little leg brackets that look like a stick of gum with 2 holes in them with the modern version that spans both sides in each corner. Much sturdier I imagine.
Quoted from Pinkitten:I would be very concerned about accepting a game with the cabinet split at the corner. I agree. I generally replace those old school little leg brackets that look like a stick of gum with 2 holes in them with the modern version that spans both sides in each corner. Much sturdier I imagine.
This is why Bog invented wood glue and bar clamps.
But yes, the modern leg bolt plates are far better, especially in terms of thread engagement for the leg bolts. The extra surface area and screws into the wood are side-benefits.
Richard
Quoted from Pinkitten:I would be very concerned about accepting a game with the cabinet split at the corner. I agree. I generally replace those old school little leg brackets that look like a stick of gum with 2 holes in them with the modern version that spans both sides in each corner. Much sturdier I imagine.
Will they work on older games? I’ve got to replace all the brackets on my WCS I got from an operator would moved them with the legs on, and boy watching him “help me” move was horrifying and I had to tell him to stop.
Quoted from Playdium:I've seen so many cracked corner joints due to people moving them with the legs on. That can be a deal breaker.
With good quality felt pads and a hardwood/laminate floor mine slide around easily.
Quoted from phil-lee:With good quality felt pads and a hardwood/laminate floor mine slide around easily.
Moving around the room with the legs on shouldn't be too much of an issue. I have a set of skates that I can put under the legs and wheel the who machine around. That is typically and easy and smooth move. The issue is more if it is loaded on a truck and bounced around while on the legs. That can get pretty violent and with all the weight up a couple feet off the ground acting as a lever that has a lot of potential for damage. Shouldn't be an issue carefully moving one within a room.
You still have to be careful moving a game around on carpet with the legs on. The weight of the game causes the legs to sink into the carpet (even with pin footies). Trying to shove or slide the game over the carpet sink-holes can damage the cabinet at the cabinet/leg connection plates if you’re not taking proper precautions.
Quoted from hlaj78:You still have to be careful moving a game around on carpet with the legs on. The weight of the game causes the legs to sink into the carpet (even with pin footies). Trying to shove or slide the game over the carpet sink-holes can damage the cabinet at the cabinet/leg connection plates if you’re not taking proper precautions.
Definitely. But, if you're careful that shouldn't be a problem. Helps to have a second person and go slow. Still a lot different than having one take a trip on the legs.
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