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Pinball expo update RE American pinball

By mikepin

7 years ago


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#77 7 years ago

Thank you all for the recent posts.

I can understand the emotions from my friends who have lost funds.
They have a ray of light now. Lets let it grow, and be positive, in the hopes it produces "something"
for those upset because of money.
If you feel, as even I do, that Jpop did what he did intentionally, fraudulently, and illegally, I can respect that.
But thats what a court is for.
If you feel you wont, or shouldnt touch a game Jpop has his hands on, thats fine, but demanding others do so
or as mentioned, hoping for failure....isnt that what you are complaining about.....failure, and now your answer is to
promote more?
I wont go to expo, and order an illusion, or a promise of a game, out of both respect to my fellow pinsiders,
and the belief, that a new company with no production, will deliver a game. But I will hope they do, and hope
they are following the path of higher ground they appear to be taking.

Once again, not APs debt, Bankruptcy and Law Suits have not gone away.

But, there are other designers, and AP just may turn out to be a great company, successful, and hire OTHER designers.

Dont we all want that?

Like anything here on pinside, we have a group of people affected, and then a Polarization on either side....wishing success
or failure, based on either an employee or independent contractor of a new legal company.

My personal experiences will come out wrong, no matter how I say this, but yes, I "feel" as others do, I understand the anger.

But John thinks he tried and failed, and not tried and defrauded. Its in Legal now.

If I had 10 cents on the dollar for the amount I have had taken, bankrupt, not paid, robbed of, etc, in my business life,
Id have retired way earlier. It doesnt make it right, it sucks, but thats the system.

Rarely have a seen a situation, where a new Company even mentions fixing someone elses debt issues, especially when in litigation at this level. I applaud them for trying, and hope we let them try first, before hanging them.

Dont buy it or play it, or look at it, if it bothers you. But just perhaps managing emotions, might allow those with financial loss
to possibly see some good.

#80 7 years ago

Indeed, you might be right, and this is all vapor.....with nothing more ever to come.

But we dont know that yet, and we dont know of any plans or communications, that share more answers.
All we have is speculation from our minds and our opinions.

Nothing wrong with that, but it can be subject to "beliefs" that are "theories" based on assumptions.

blockquote cite="#3373488">I have so little respect for the management of this messaging

I would agree with you, if they were the first messenger. Sadly, that was Kaneda, with his own flair, that adds to an emotional situation.

I understand and agree with what people "want", but it doesnt mean it will happen, or from a new separate legal entity will
happen.

We are at "wait and see" until more info.

With that, Im shooting for optimism, and hoping so, and the other side is more pessimistic.

All good, either view, but the "what if's" that become fact now in several threads is beginning to show.
(Not saying you are doing this)

I myself have no gain or loss, others are personally affected. These emotions and the empathy of us, anyone,
can be clouding an otherwise positive opportunity when no hope exists on the other side of the coin.

#81 7 years ago

Boy, will I sound like a hypocrite now.

The other thread shows the initial business filing with Jpop listed in its filing.

Heres what I posted on the other thread:

"I find this info very disturbing.

I have tried to share some sense of non emotional optimism.

A separate company with an honest intent to fix, and this may still be the case.
But seeing the business filed this way, I am bothered.
An emotional change here, because it wasnt a company created, IMO, that reached to John, but now appears that
he was present from the creation.

The intent might be positive, but it now seems that this is following that same pattern.

Anyway my position is, its now smelling quite rotten now."

I truly want to hope for the best...that something is better than nothing.
Until seeing otherwise, Im a lot less sure than I was 10 minutes ago.

In the best case scenario, the AP Company creation in itself, is showing bad planning and more an illusion.

If they are reading this...a bigger can of worms is now present.

My apologies for the flip.

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#87 7 years ago

Thank you, I still have guilt...old man meds...Ill blame everything i post and do at expo on them!

I mean, originally I disagreed with Aurich, and Hilton severely. I didnt post, because I can read their emotion and passion,
and there is nothing I can say because we are all speculating. But If you hear what they are saying, albeit without emotions,
We either have to respect a New Company, with funding, that is attempting to do good, or its more of the same BS.
I dont know, but I am now in the mood for Popcorn....Holy Shit....Here Speculation Only.

What If.....

John is doing the speaking/booth at Expo?
What if it is the President of the Company?

What if Houdini is there, and it doesnt flip?
What if it does, and something positive is there?

What if MG goes out and people are happy?

When does this become, 100 games are ready, everyone is happy, CT is stocked and Chris thinks its Great, Levi Loves the shots,
......

This is going to be a loooong thread.

#89 7 years ago

Nothing wrong with Optimistic Karma!

#96 7 years ago
Quoted from vdojaq:

He is an emergency contact, that's it! So what?

This was about whether he was an employee,
or an independent contractor.
I commented from personal legal actions
that independent contractors can only
Have keys, for a short term self controlled
time. I lost a case on this issue.
I am not stating I know his legal position or
not with AP.
I have further shared support that this shows
a likely deeper relationship.
Equally, if any patents or property from zidware were transferred. I don't know. Just
speculating that if they were, and these
Are assets of Zidware, there could be issues.

Of course. I could be wrong, and it's all great!

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