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Pinball Etiquette


By Beyndtstng

3 years ago



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#51 3 years ago
Quoted from Luckydogg420:

What ever happened to putting a quarter on the machine to let the player know your next? We did this a lot as teens in the 90's

This worked the best ...everyone played one game at a time or if you had buddies with you then multiple player games and you put your quarter down on the glass and if there was 5 down already then you knew there were 4 people in front of you. If a person got a free game then that would over rank the quarter or the person could take a quarter and leave his credit.
Same concept with pool put your loonie down and one game at a time but winner could hold the table for next in line but usually you just asked if thats what was happening or if you wanted to have a game with your buddy only the winner would step down and let you play with your buddy.

#52 3 years ago

How come other guy didn't know the "quarters up" rule!!???!! NEWB?

#53 3 years ago

Taking the story at face value... if someone's a jerk, they can GTFO or wait. Otherwise, play in.

#54 3 years ago

I don't see an issue with adding a few credits and playing them out without someone making you feel bad for doing it... but I can understand concern if you add 8 credits, play 20 minute games and win credits every other game, then it will be hours of waiting for someone else... at which point they are obligated to coordinate with you no different than weight room etiquette... wait for their turn or play in.

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#55 3 years ago

My two cents...
1) Don't credit up a machine beyond the multi-game discount settings (3 for $2.00, etc). 8 credits is over the top.
2) If the person refuses to play doubles, and you've been playing for that long already, offer to let him/her buy your credits off of you.

I think offering to let the guy play doubles with you was a nice start, but alas, not everyone wants to play doubles.

#56 3 years ago

I know the place you are talking about and some information is missing from the OP. This place basically gives tokens away from promotions(They make the majority of their $$ from selling drinks and food). Even if you buy them at standard rate it is .25 cents per token. No replays or matches on the games. Each game is one token per play, no value added.

With that mind, I think that you should not load the game up with 8 credits. I just put one in at a time, play the game, and if you didnt think others were wanting/waiting to play then fire another one up.

#57 3 years ago
Quoted from Beyndtstng:

Going forward, I won't put as many credits in.

Good move.

Quoted from Beyndtstng:

I did try to befriend this guy so I don't feel bad about the way I tried to handle it.

Yeah, he could/should have accepted your offer to play doubles.

Play on!!

#58 3 years ago

To a degree, you were both socially wrong, I think. You have less culpability in that you were open to letting him play in and tried to be decent about it, but come on...you're a good player, and you had *6* credits banked. There is a point where, especially when it's been brought up already, you're a machine hog. Might I suggest that, in the future, you don't buy $2 worth at the outset? Maybe go $.50 a game or so?

I'm *not* saying that the other guy was handling it correctly. He didn't, clearly. As I said, you're less culpable, but it *is* kind of a crappy thing to do to stay on the same machine marathoning it with no honest awareness of your surroundings.

#59 3 years ago

I changed the title of the thread from "Pinball Ethics" to "Pinball Etiquette". I think it more appropriately reflects the subject.

#60 3 years ago

I kinda see it both ways, but lets put another spin on it. I know this is different, but its really not different either. What if your at a casino on a popular slot machine and you have someone standing behind you waiting for you to get done. NOBODY ever gets up from a slot machine until they want to and I have seen people get pissed in this situation as well. Ive seen people stay on a slot machine literally all day. Its really not much difference if you ask me. Theres a lot of ways to look at it truthfully. I would have invited the guy to play with me (unless he was a dick right off the bat), and if he didnt want to do that, F him.

#61 3 years ago

The guy should've put a quarter on the glass but it's a dousche move to stack a bunch of credits on a machine in a public place. Now I understand there was nobody there but it doesn't matter IMHO. Eventually somebody will walk in and You were still hogging a machine in a public place. I would've told the guy to jump in and just give me cash to buy half my credits and play for some beers and have some laughs. It's sounds like he really wanted to play the same machine you were playing. This kind of thing has been going on for decades in pinball so in the big scheme of things who cares. No big deal.
Some guys also just like to play by themselves and zone out too. It doesn't sound like he was a very social person either.

#62 3 years ago
Quoted from Who-Dey:

I kinda see it both ways, but lets put another spin on it. I know this is different, but its really not different either. What if your at a casino on a popular slot machine and you have someone standing behind you waiting for you to get done. NOBODY ever gets up from a slot machine until they want to and I have seen people get pissed in this situation as well. Ive seen people stay on a slot machine literally all day. Its really not much difference if you ask me. Theres a lot of ways to look at it truthfully. I would have invited the guy to play with me (unless he was a dick right off the bat), and if he didnt want to do that, F him.

It's apples and oranges. People are reluctant to get up from a slot machine because they feel it is "due".

#63 3 years ago
Quoted from gweempose:

It's apples and oranges. People are reluctant to get up from a slot machine because they feel it is "due".

Might be but ive seen a lot of people get pissed off about it. How about this scenario, a person sitting at a slot machine and playing the one to the left of them and the one to the right of them also? This makes me so mad that I want to kick their ass, but what if they think all three of the machines they're playing are due to hit? Are they hogging or is it ok? I say they're a inconsiderate POS personally.

#64 3 years ago
Quoted from gweempose:

It's apples and oranges. People are reluctant to get up from a slot machine because they feel it is "due".

As well, there are usually multiples of that same title of slot machine in any given place. There's almost always only one of any given title of pinball in one location. There's a financial investment involved in the machine being "due", as well. I'd be pissed if someone was pestering me to get off a machine that I've put a bunch of my money into only to see them cash in on *my* money, plus the time I'd invested. There are other slots of the same type, go play one of those. Bugger off.

In this case, though, it's not as though the guy's playing against the house for money...he's just being a machine hog. There's *nothing wrong* with hogging a pinball machine, until it's clear that others are waiting to play it. You can invite them in, but that's still kind of a dick move...you've been playing it solidly for 1.5 hours+, with no interest in walking away, and you've got *6* credits on the docket, awaiting. It's time to readjust how you play in public, if you're taking that much time on one particular machine, and people are commenting, whether they're being dicks themselves or not.

If it's this important to you to play this machine for this long, it's time to make the investment to buy one for yourself and play it at home. Playing in public places, by its very nature, requires that you respect other people as well as yourself.

At the VFW for the Showcase, we don't allow anyone to stay on any particular machine for more than, say, 10 minutes or one actual credit. No one's allowed to start a 4P game for themselves, and no one's allowed to finish a game and immediately restart a new one. You *may* be able to play a couple of games in a row should you be quick about it, but you need to be looking around you and seeing if there's anyone waiting to play it, or hovering in the general area, and you, *the player* need to be the one asking if anyone wants to join. If no one says anything, you may play *one* more time...and then you move on to another machine, for a good while.

You may object to this policy for one reason or another, which is fine, but IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE POLICY. Yes, you may have paid your admission price to get in, but so did everyone else, and can you *imagine* how many people would camp out on Big Bang Bar all day? Never moving? Many, many people come specifically to play that one title that they've only *heard* of, and never seen, much less had any chance to ever play it.

In short, be the kind of person you'd want to run into while trying to play pinball. Go overboard with courtesy to others. Pinball should be fun for everyone, and after 1.5 hours, you've certainly had your chance, haven't you?

#65 3 years ago
Quoted from Who-Dey:

Might be but ive seen a lot of people get pissed off about it. How about this scenario, a person sitting at a slot machine and playing the one to the left of them and the one to the right of them also? This makes me so mad that I want to kick their ass, but what if they think all three of the machines they're playing are due to hit? Are they hogging or is it ok? I say they're a inconsiderate POS personally.

If there are still more of the machines available to be played by others, I don't have a problem with it. If there aren't any available to anyone else as a result of their playing this way, then yes: I'd say you have a point. I'd probably take it up with the management and see what, if anything, they're willing to do about it. It may be that they're fine with it, in which case, you're out of luck.

#66 3 years ago
Quoted from boagman:

If there are still more of the machines available to be played by others, I don't have a problem with it. If there aren't any available to anyone else as a result of their playing this way, then yes: I'd say you have a point. I'd probably take it up with the management and see what, if anything, they're willing to do about it. It may be that they're fine with it, in which case, you're out of luck.

Im just going to stay out of the casinos anyway and spend my money on pinball machines, that way I can hog the machines all that I want to!

#67 3 years ago

Last year, at the Allentown show, I had a teenage boy drop farts next to me while waiting to play on a machine. Him and this girl were hogging Mustang. So I waited to play. Once I got on, after a few minutes, he starts dropping smelly farts next to me. I had a great game going, but my nose can only hold out for so long.

#68 3 years ago
Quoted from jackofdiamonds:

To the op:You did nothing wrong,once the credits are in they're yours.

Disagree, for good reason. I'll share this story:

Turn back the clock to when Daytona USA was a brand new game in arcades and on the street. It was popular, and I mean *majorly* popular. It was making money hand-over-fist at the time, and there was often a line to grab a seat to play it, especially if you were with a group of friends and wanted to race each other. Sometimes you'd have to wait an extra round and let somebody else play before you just so all four of you could be going at the same time. It was kind of a pain, but everybody understood what was going on, and you all worked around each other. It was $1 to play the thing, and you inserted one quarter at a time.

You know what happened.

In walks a guy, generally older than most who were there. He's got a couple rolls of quarters, sits down in one of the seats, and starts inserting quarter after quarter after quarter. His initial game starts, and he doesn't even play it...he just keeps rolling quarters into the slot, until finally, at long last, he's dumped in a ridiculous number of quarters, and starts playing them. Some people realized what he was doing, and some didn't, only to come to understand that he was camping out in the spot and "reserving" it for himself for the next hour or more. I cannot tell you how much this pissed off everyone else who was waiting to play. The guy playing was just wearing a crap-eating grin and basically told anyone else around him to deal with it and bugger off. He was playing in *every* match he chose to, whether the other players wanted him to or not.

And did that, right up until word got back to the owner, who was on site. The guy had been playing several games in a row uninterrupted when the owner came up and told everyone else to stop playing the adjacent machines after the current game, which they did. When that ended, the owner turned off the machines' power switch, killing the guy's plans, to which he violently objected, as you might think he would.

The owner addressed the situation and him down publicly, but *very* nicely. He told the guy that he'd refund his unused credits, this time. He told the guy that he was done with playing the game for the day, and he'd be welcome back on any ensuing day to play the game or any other game in the place...one credit at a time. The guy still objected. The owner said, again *very* nicely, that he'd paid for plays of the game, yes, but he had *not* paid for rental of the seat, or for a piece of the ownership of the game, or the venue. Those all did *not* belong to the guy, and there's a system in place for playing the game, which included letting others play after one credit was played by anyone. If the guy didn't like that, the owner said, he would not be welcome back, and if he tried it *again* in any fashion, there would be no refunds, and he would be barred from the establishment. "See you tomorrow..." the owner said, as he walked away, after handing the guy his money.

My understanding (but no direct personally seen evidence) is that the guy returned, apologized to the owner the next day, and never had a problem there again.

#69 3 years ago
Quoted from Trekkie1978:

Last year, at the Allentown show, I had a teenage boy drop farts next to me while waiting to play on a machine. Him and this girl were hogging Mustang. So I waited to play. Once I got on, after a few minutes, he starts dropping smelly farts next to me. I had a great game going, but my nose can only hold out for so long.

This isnt funny at all, but it made me laugh my ass off anyway lol.

#70 3 years ago
Quoted from davjoszie:

I know the place you are talking about and some information is missing from the OP. This place basically gives tokens away from promotions(They make the majority of their $$ from selling drinks and food). Even if you buy them at standard rate it is .25 cents per token. No replays or matches on the games. Each game is one token per play, no value added.
With that mind, I think that you should not load the game up with 8 credits. I just put one in at a time, play the game, and if you didnt think others were wanting/waiting to play then fire another one up.

Meant to mention no replays in my long response. There are match features on all of the machines. Nice to see the person with one of the kiss scores is a local guy. I only put a couple in now. I'm not certain that would have changed the situation though. I was supposed to know he waiting for that pin. Guess I need to look around more and stop focusing on that pretty color dmd

Quoted from Who-Dey:

I kinda see it both ways, but lets put another spin on it. I know this is different, but its really not different either. What if your at a casino on a popular slot machine and you have someone standing behind you waiting for you to get done. NOBODY ever gets up from a slot machine until they want to and I have seen people get pissed in this situation as well. Ive seen people stay on a slot machine literally all day. Its really not much difference if you ask me. Theres a lot of ways to look at it truthfully. I would have invited the guy to play with me (unless he was a dick right off the bat), and if he didnt want to do that, F him.

Yea, that's what made me want to finish my credits. No "excuse me" or "hey can I play," just anger for me not knowing he was waiting.

Quoted from gweempose:

It's apples and oranges. People are reluctant to get up from a slot machine because they feel it is "due".

I thought I was due to RTU haha.

Quoted from boagman:

As well, there are usually multiples of that same title of slot machine in any given place. There's almost always only one of any given title of pinball in one location. There's a financial investment involved in the machine being "due", as well. I'd be pissed if someone was pestering me to get off a machine that I've put a bunch of my money into only to see them cash in on *my* money, plus the time I'd invested. There are other slots of the same type, go play one of those. Bugger off.
In this case, though, it's not as though the guy's playing against the house for money...he's just being a machine hog. There's *nothing wrong* with hogging a pinball machine, until it's clear that others are waiting to play it. You can invite them in, but that's still kind of a dick move...you've been playing it solidly for 1.5 hours+, with no interest in walking away, and you've got *6* credits on the docket, awaiting. It's time to readjust how you play in public, if you're taking that much time on one particular machine, and people are commenting, whether they're being dicks themselves or not.
If it's this important to you to play this machine for this long, it's time to make the investment to buy one for yourself and play it at home. Playing in public places, by its very nature, requires that you respect other people as well as yourself.
At the VFW for the Showcase, we don't allow anyone to stay on any particular machine for more than, say, 10 minutes or one actual credit. No one's allowed to start a 4P game for themselves, and no one's allowed to finish a game and immediately restart a new one. You *may* be able to play a couple of games in a row should you be quick about it, but you need to be looking around you and seeing if there's anyone waiting to play it, or hovering in the general area, and you, *the player* need to be the one asking if anyone wants to join. If no one says anything, you may play *one* more time...and then you move on to another machine, for a good while.
You may object to this policy for one reason or another, which is fine, but IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE POLICY. Yes, you may have paid your admission price to get in, but so did everyone else, and can you *imagine* how many people would camp out on Big Bang Bar all day? Never moving? Many, many people come specifically to play that one title that they've only *heard* of, and never seen, much less had any chance to ever play it.
In short, be the kind of person you'd want to run into while trying to play pinball. Go overboard with courtesy to others. Pinball should be fun for everyone, and after 1.5 hours, you've certainly had your chance, haven't you?

It wasn't clear he wanted it until after he got mad and first spoke to me. I could have walked away instead of playing my credits out but he was being jerk despite my best efforts to rectify the situation. In my mind, I wasn't going to reward bad behavior by walking away immediately when someone was that rude.

It is actually pretty standard at this place to sit on a machine when it gets busy because it's very difficult to get another once you leave. I don't do that and I always offer for people to play in. I was probably too dead set on getting RTU. If you could do that on this machine in that timespan then I would enjoy watching you play.

It's not about the machine, it's about the goal. I was a mode away a couple of times so I thought I could get it. Doing it at home wouldn't mean as much. I enjoy playing publically and I have taken the advice given here by you and others about pre-loading credits and looking around. I appreciate all of the feedback including the comments about me being dick. One thing about negative criticism, it's almost always sincere

#71 3 years ago

With all this discussion of etiquette, this reminds me of one reasons I became a collector anyway.
Own the machines I want, so I could play them when I wanted.
It worked out well, and have going strong ever since.
I did not have to deal with public BS from the 1970-80s, and part of 1990s.

Nobody even cared about this concept again until the last 5 years, and now it may come back again generating new collectors in its wake.
The only really cheap move is when someone threatens to "shut the machine down" and restart it, thereby losing all credits.

#72 3 years ago
Quoted from Beyndtstng:

I enjoy playing publically and I have taken the advice given here by you and others about pre-loading credits and looking around. I appreciate all of the feedback including the comments about me being dick. One thing about negative criticism, it's almost always sincere

Well, there's being a dick, and there's performing a dick move. We've all done the latter at one (and many more) time or another, but I wasn't insinuating that you were a Perma-Dick (trademark pending). Having said that, you took my main point into consideration, which is really what I wanted you to understand, that there may always be someone waiting, even though you may not see them, and even if they don't say anything. I don't buy more than one credit at a time anymore, just to ensure that I'm not, through my marathon play, pissing someone off. When I'm done with a particularly good, long, and/or satisfying game, no matter how many credits I've won to that point, I walk away, for a good long time. If I come back to the machine no less than 15-20 minutes later, and the credits are still on there, I figure I'm okay to keep going for another. If they're not, well...somebody got to enjoy the fruits of my labor, and that's fine, too.

This does not apply if the operator or proprietor is a dick who will just come by, start all of the credits, turn off the machine, and then turn it back on. In that case, I have *zero* issue with protecting what I've won and seeing to it that *someone* gets to use them, even if that someone has to be me. But if there are others there who'll use them, even if I have to point out the flashing start button to them, I will, especially if I need to leave.

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