Pinball Designers... Please listen!

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Pinball Designers... Please listen!


By ASOA

1 year ago



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    #151 1 year ago
    Quoted from jwilson:

    Isn't PinHeck a massive dead end in terms of future expansion? I mean, even Spooky did a newer revision.

    What do you mean. RZ uses PinHeck REV7D. We have a REV8 EOTL in the works for Bible Adventures Part 1.

    #152 1 year ago
    Quoted from jonesjb:

    This topic got boring all of a sudden.

    I don't know, I'm in the process of designing my own electronics and software for my own machine, so I geek out at learning the details of others. And for the record, mine is much more of a WTF kludge than PinHeck lol

    And besides, the interesting part is that it looks like we can add yet another pin manufacturer to the list in possible legal trouble for intellectual property violations. How many are we up to now?

    #153 1 year ago
    Quoted from etlandfill:

    And besides, the interesting part is that it looks like we can add yet another pin manufacturer to the list in possible legal trouble for intellectual property violations. How many are we up to now?

    What a load of rubbish. There would be nothing to gain by either party taking the matter any further. In fact there would be everything to lose. I think everyone should just move on and get back to making great pinball.

    #154 1 year ago
    Quoted from etlandfill:

    So for anyone taking notes, I guess we can add "don't steal others' code" to the list of recommendations to pinball designers.

    The fact something like this needs to be added to the list in the first place is the most disconcerting part.

    Quoted from vicjw66:

    So every time there is a code update or bug fix Homepin is going to pay for shipping to Australia to swap out boards? And in the meantime, people's games are dead in the water? Really?

    Apparently it is all industry standard stuff - there are no secrets or surprises here at all.

    Quoted from LonghornEngineer:

    What do you mean. RZ uses PinHeck REV7D. We have a REV8 EOTL in the works for Bible Adventures Part 1.

    Exodus 20:15 mode. Make it so.

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    #155 1 year ago

    In the end it's not that big of a deal. It was open source and available for a while.

    Just bugs me that he's denying it instead of saying thanks.

    #156 1 year ago
    Quoted from PinSinner:

    What a load of rubbish. There would be nothing to gain by either party taking the matter any further. In fact there would be everything to lose. I think everyone should just move on and get back to making great pinball.

    It's not my call whether they should pursue it or not, that's up to Ben and his team, and it sounds like it's not a big deal to them. That's fine! Good for them! But when you have yet another company that refuses to acknowledge that they stole the design without either paying or giving a thanks, that's a problem for the industry. Why not just say "hey, you put together a good system and it was open source, so we used it. Thanks! " Claiming credit for others' work or making some ridiculous claim that the pinball code was provided by Microchip (or whoever they fumbled their way to) doesn't earn you my business.

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    #157 1 year ago

    Still boring

    #158 1 year ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    In the end it's not that big of a deal. It was open source and available for a while.
    Just bugs me that he's denying it instead of saying thanks.

    I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for an admission.

    At the very least you got it on the record with irrefutable proof which is what matters to those who matter.

    #159 1 year ago

    Designers should stay true to themselves. Do not let the powers that be restrict your creativity with unreasonable low production budgets. Please understand that even though the Manufacture takes most ownership of the finished product. People who know pinball always refer to the designer as the owner. This is your vision and your reputation at stake. Fight for what you believe in. You owe this to your fans. We are loyal and understanding but not gullible. We have a good sense and realize when there is something missing. No we are not in your head but we can feel when something is falling short. Please stay true to yourselves your fans and this wonderfull thing called pinball.

    Yes this also means code!

    #160 1 year ago

    Build pinball because you love building pinball and everything will be all right.

    Aaron
    FAST Pinball

    #161 1 year ago
    Quoted from ASOA:

    We have a good sense and realize when there is something missing. No we are not in your head but we can feel when something is falling short. Please stay true to yourselves your fans and this wonderfull thing called pinball.

    Yes this also means code!

    Cough.....star wars......cough.

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    #162 1 year ago

    Yoko2una? What do yo disagree with in my last statement? Down vote ? Please explain...

    #163 12 months ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    In the end it's not that big of a deal. It was open source and available for a while.
    Just bugs me that he's denying it instead of saying thanks.

    Even if mike did steal the code, he couldn’t fess up for fear of admission and possibly losing license / getting sued / having to give them a cut or agree to commercial terms? It’s messy.

    Question to Ben, if mike openly admitted he took the code and credited you somewhere, would you let him have it with free reign?

    #164 12 months ago

    The art on the new Stern Star Wars could have been SO much better with very little cost (might have cost them an LE game) Spring for the cost of all new art on a Playfield with a Class A fantasy artist, find someone that can tell a story... Shoe a character here... and one there; simply for the sake of needing to show X number of characters.

    Unfortunately this trend has continued in to movie posters... consider the following original concept design pieces compared to the more recent "special edition"

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    #165 12 months ago
    Quoted from wantdataeast:

    The art on the new Stern Star Wars could have been SO much better with very little cost (might have cost them an LE game) Spring for the cost of all new art on a Playfield with a Class A fantasy artist, find someone that can tell a story... Shoe a character here... and one there; simply for the sake of needing to show X number of characters.
    Unfortunately this trend has continued in to movie posters... consider the following original concept design pieces compared to the more recent "special edition"

    I agree with you about hand-drawn art over photo collages, but Drew Struzan is the best fantasy artist of all time...

    Of. All. Time.

    #166 12 months ago

    Please if there’s a god let there Guardians or Maiden be good.

    #167 12 months ago
    Quoted from Rascal_H:

    Please if there’s a god let there Guardians or Maoden be good.

    Who is doing Guardians? If it's Borg, it will be.

    #168 12 months ago
    Quoted from TopMoose:

    Drew Struzan is the best fantasy artist of all time...
    Of. All. Time.

    Will have to agree to disagree on this when it comes to Star Wars art my favorite is Dave Dorman. And since I am an ex D&D nerd and Larry Elmore is a personal friend of mine, I am prejudice and saying that he's the greatest living fantasy artist.

    #169 12 months ago
    Quoted from wantdataeast:

    Will have to agree to disagree on this when it comes to Star Wars art my favorite is Dave Dorman. And since I am an ex D&D nerd and Larry Elmore is a personal friend of mine, I am prejudice and saying that he's the greatest living fantasy artist.

    Larry Elmore has a special place for me as an old RPG head. So many influential covers. And great range too, not just the classic D&D, he did things like Shadowrun too.

    Drew Struzan is great, but if we're talking all time classics he doesn't outweigh Frank Frazetta in my eyes.

    #170 12 months ago

    Larry, Drew and Frank all good. But I was always more of a Boris Vallejo fan myself from way back when.

    #171 12 months ago
    Quoted from BorgDog:

    Larry, Drew and Frank all good. But I was always more of a Boris Vallejo fan myself from way back when.

    I am big Boris Vallejo fan myself and used to own one of his original oils. I still regret selling it.

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    #172 12 months ago
    Quoted from wantdataeast:

    I am big Boris Vallejo fan myself and used to own one of his original oils. I still regret selling it.

    Yikes. Jesus on roids. I think you were wise to sell it.

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    #173 11 months ago
    Quoted from benheck:

    In the end it's not that big of a deal. It was open source and available for a while.
    Just bugs me that he's denying it instead of saying thanks.

    But I am sure he has a name or two he calls you. But don't worry, all his friends call you that name, especially when they are in Toronto...

    #174 11 months ago

    European pinball artists LOVED Frazetta and Vallejo, their work 'inspired' the look of tons of dodgy Spanish and Italian machines throughout the 80s.

    #175 11 months ago

    Diveters like used in TOTAN and BSD games and the shots in TOM, ramps that go through the back of game like NASCAR and IM to get more in game and the back double scoop shot like in AFM or whatever it’s called or you know what I am tying to say. Simple thinks I have not seen used in new games from the past.

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