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Pinball Coming to Nevada Casinos?

By pindome

8 years ago



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    #1 8 years ago

    Is it almost time to take a trip to Nevada to cash in on those pinball skills?

    In the ninth paragraph of this AP article the games are described as Digital Pinball. Time to bust the house : ))

    Skill-based slot machines inch closer to Nev. casinos
    PUBLISHED: SEPTEMBER 4, 2015 BY: ADMIN, IN: FEATURED ARTICLES, NEWS, NO COMMENT
    By Kimberly Pierceall, AP

    Arcade-style slot machines that might require skill to win could be in Nevada casinos as early as next year, according to one game maker’s estimate now that a single regulatory vote remains.

    The Nevada Gaming Control Board on Wednesday recommended legal language that would allow slot machines requiring skill to win or a combination of talent and luck.

    The changes still need approval by the Nevada Gaming Commission before taking effect. That five-member regulatory board is expected to discuss the new language at a Sept. 17 hearing, a couple weeks ahead of the annual Global Gaming Expo, where slot makers will show off their latest innovations in Las Vegas.

    If the changes are approved, “the store is open for business, so to speak,” said Gamblit Gaming CEO Eric Meyerhofer. His company has been developing skill-based games that can be played by multiple players in the style of “Angry Birds” and “Battleship,” among others.

    Meyerhofer estimated that once the game submission process is approved and technical standards are written, casinos could offer skill-based video gambling by early or mid-2016.

    The changes would also simplify rules that have governed the themes of casino games for years and were primarily aimed at limiting their appeal to children. Under the proposal, nothing will be allowed that is obscene or offensive based on race, religion, nationality, gender or sexual orientation, and game makers can’t use themes based on products that are primarily marketed to people younger than 21 years old.

    Casino revenue has fallen from a peak of nearly $12.9 billion in 2007 to about $11 billion in 2014, with slot proceeds alone plunging 20 percent, and the industry is betting gamblers, particularly younger ones, want to do more than press a button and passively watch reels spin. They want skill-based games like the popular titles on their smartphones or video game consoles, except with real money on the line, video game and slot machine makers say.

    In order to deliver on arcade-style games, the Association of Gaming Equipment Manufacturers pushed lawmakers this year to encourage innovation and direct the Gaming Control Board to make the regulations that govern games of chance more nimble and to allow elements of skill.

    It’s not yet known what the games may look like except for what companies have shown off in development, including a digital pinball machine and first-person shooter games that award points for targets hit.

    Of a few adopted suggestions the manufacturer’s group made to the board, one allows the chairman flexibility to waive the technical standards for a game if shown a good reason to do so, “since we don’t truly know how radical some of the new concepts may be,” said Marcus Prater, the executive director of the Association of Gaming Equipment Manufacturers.

    #2 8 years ago

    "Elements of skill" in the same way playing pachislot is a skill.

    Most casino games have no skill element at all (Roullete, Craps, Slots) or that element of skill is so incredibly slight and so hard to pull off that most people who think they have an edge, don't. (Blackjack)

    Today people are constantly exposed to games where their skill actualy affects the outcome to a significant degree.
    Fewer of these people are willing to put up with what amounts to a glorified skinner-box training them to give it their money.

    The answer to this is False Interactivity.
    Create a game with rules and activities that reward more skillful players with slightly improved odds, while ensuring that those odds never move into the positives.
    For example: Average Man will lose 10% over course of an hour; while Mega Man, who was built by CasinoPin Scientists to be the ultimate game playing machine will only lose 9.5%. (He later blamed Average Man's "power" for his loss)

    #3 8 years ago

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-virtual-pinball-casino-game-vegas-2047-recently-unveiled

    The PDF linked in their latest press release below is interesting, from their marketing perspective:

    http://nanotechgaming521.newswire.com/press-release/nanotech-gaming-brings-vegas-2047-skill-based-gaming-machine-to

    Quoted from Moto42:

    that element of skill is so incredibly slight and so hard to pull off that most people who think they have an edge, don't. (Blackjack)

    Like everything in life, don't be like most people.

    #4 8 years ago

    <<<Pinball Coming to Nevada Casinos?>>>

    I think you meant to ask:

    Pinball Coming back to Nevada Casinos?

    Anchor Gaming (later aquired by IGT with the name Anchor being eliminated) built three distinct "Pinball Slot machines" in the mid 1990's. Williams supplied the complete playfields to Anchor. I have been in their old Pilot Road assembly plant in Las Vegas and saw dozens of Williams shipping boxes with the playfield going into the machines.

    These were "participation" slots where Anchor retained ownership and the casino and Anchor revenue shared the money played in the machines. Eventually, the machines were returned to Anchor where they were destroyed. I have never seen one that may have escaped the crusher but have to believe there was an employee there like me who would have somehow managed to make one "fall off of a truck" but peeled off the ID plates so they could be filed as proof that the machines were returned.

    Also note that there was no skill involved in these playfields. They were mounted above a slant top slot similar to the backbox of Banzai Run. During a bonus round that was won based on a winning reel spin symbol, The ball traveled in more of a defined path with a few random rollovers that affected win amounts. A hollow ceramic ball was used and the flippers activated by the CPU as it knew where the ball was based on rollovers or optics. It was a Williams playfield with Williams logos on the Flippers. I recall CV-like graphics on at least one of the playfields.

    #5 8 years ago
    Quoted from MrBally:

    <<<Pinball Coming to Nevada Casinos?>>>
    I think you meant to ask:
    Pinball Coming back to Nevada Casinos?
    Anchor Gaming (later aquired by IGT with the name Anchor being eliminated) built three distinct "Pinball Slot machines" in the mid 1990's. Williams supplied the complete playfields to Anchor. I have been in their old Pilot Road assembly plant in Las Vegas and saw dozens of Williams shipping boxes with the playfield going into the machines.
    These were "participation" slots where Anchor retained ownership and the casino and Anchor revenue shared the money played in the machines. Eventually, the machines were returned to Anchor where they were destroyed. I have never seen one that may have escaped the crusher but have to believe there was an employee there like me who would have somehow managed to make one "fall off of a truck" but peeled off the ID plates so they could be filed as proof that the machines were returned.
    Also note that there was no skill involved in these playfields. They were mounted above a slant top slot similar to the backbox of Banzai Run. During a bonus round that was won based on a winning reel spin symbol, The ball traveled in more of a defined path with a few random rollovers that affected win amounts. A hollow ceramic ball was used and the flippers activated by the CPU as it knew where the ball was based on rollovers or optics. It was a Williams playfield with Williams logos on the Flippers. I recall CV-like graphics on at least one of the playfields.

    I was able to get a tour of the IGT facility a couple decades ago and it was quite an operation they had going in Vegas.

    It will be interesting to see what may be coming next year.

    Any pictures of this CV-like graphics game from the bygone era?

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