Just took an order from pinballcenter for a JM speaker panel. Take a look and tell me what you think:
I wouldn't be thrilled - contact them about it to see their position. Looks like an inkjet print with some clogged heads causing streaking?
Contacted them and got this reply:
"you are the first which found it not got and we sure sell 20pcs of this
I think most people found it ok, because if you have a damaged one this are better as this
And if you change it no one see it, if you not have the original on side
THanks
Marco"
Most people find this ok....really? How about most people looking at this right now? Is this acceptable to you?
Quoted from Russo121:Contacted them and got this reply:
"you are the first which found it not got and we sure sell 20pcs of this
I think most people found it ok, because if you have a damaged one this are better as this
And if you change it no one see it, if you not have the original on side
THanks
Marco"
Most people find this ok....really? How about most people looking at this right now? Is this acceptable to you?
If my original was missing or very damaged and I had no other options and that was available, yes I would be happy to be able to have that. I am guessing once installed on the game, from all the way back at the player's position, it won't be obvious how well the print was laid.
Looks like a poor reproduction to me. Looks like it was printed on a cheap home inkjet. I wouldn't be happy with it.
Quoted from Russo121:I think most people found it ok, because if you have a damaged one this are better as this
So...he is producing parts that are just "good enough"? Does he not take pride in providing the best possible reproduction part he can?
Almost good enough, or good enough for someone to buy it, or if they want it they don't really have a choice, or maybe they won't notice, seems to be the norm with many repro Williams parts these days.
Dont buy plastics from those people !
All of those plastics of them looks like that.
For the rest they have a large and good supply of parts . . . just ignore the plastics.
Really, it's a terrible repro. They should give you your money back and don't even bother sending it back.
Unless it's a mistake/misprint, they are ripping people off.
Also, don't want to keep beating a dead horse but are those guys allowed to sell licensed Williams products? Sara at PPS always backed her products no questions asked.
I bought a gottlieb speaker panel a couple years back, and it was virtually indistinguishable from an original.
It seems at one point they were capibile of producing good quality products.
There seems to be a big difference in what Gottlieb license holders will put their approval on compared to what the Williams license holders will.
I guess 'good enough' is ok for some folk in their opinion. Not for me when i'm looking to do a full restore on a machine i love.
Yeah, the print/scan lines are bad, but the fact it is brown just boggles the mind when it is so easy to make the image black. Perhaps they ran out of black ink in the printer half way through and thought..."yep, good enough".?
Is there anyone out there able to actually reproduce these things correctly? If so, i'd seriously appreciate their contact details.
Quoted from Russo121:Is there anyone out there able to actually reproduce these things correctly? If so, i'd seriously appreciate their contact details.
You should head on over to the BSD color DMD thread and see what quality speaker panels they get to choose from. lol.
This one looks like a poor print job from 1997. I am sure that I could do a better job myself on my home ink jet. If I buy a repro part I expect it to be indistinguishable from the original one. I have two NGGs - one with printed translite from 2000 and the other one with original backglass. Seeing the poor repros from licensed sources I have no other option than scanning the original backglass on a Cruse scanner and find a good direct print shop to print an indistinguishable copy. It can be done since NGG has no mirroring print on the backglass. A nice example of Pool sharks backglass resto (although without mirroring):
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pool-sharks-restoration
Quoted from rygar:This one looks like a poor print job from 1997. I am sure that I could do a better job myself on my home ink jet. If I buy a repro part I expect it to be indistinguishable from the original one. I have two NGGs - one with printed translite from 2000 and the other one with original backglass. Seeing the poor repros from licensed sources I have no other option than scanning the original backglass on a Cruse scanner and find a good direct print shop to print an indistinguishable copy. It can be done since NGG has no mirroring print on the backglass. A nice example of Pool sharks backglass resto (although without mirroring):
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pool-sharks-restoration
Detail from my NGG backglass scan at 600 DPI on Cruse scanner. I will post the end result and type of equipment which will be used for printing the backglass.
Reviving this thread with a more current example.
For anyone considering buying plastics from them, at least the ones they make themselves, consider yourself forewarned. Better than a broken one I guess. Notice the missing dots on the cursed sign, mounting holes not cut all the way through, opacity of the backing and scratch(?) on the back that shows on the front once the plastic is lit from behind. Colors kind of off too, although not quite as bad as the photo makes them look. Really a shame since they have some unobtanium plastics.
yeah I bought 2 sets of plastics from them, Robocop and flintstones, both pretty damn shitty! better than nothing, but look nothing like the pics, and several didn't even fit, were no where near the right size even. last resort option on their plastics for sure.
Topper i got from them, looks like a 3 yr old painted it!
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Now I was about to install PZ Cosmic cottage ordered 9 months ago just to nice the mounting brackets don't align at all. They are in wrong place and shaped wrong too. In installation pic left side is cottage positioned as should and on right aligned so that holes are close as they get, still too far off tho to even drill new ones to the cottage. I think they made a mistake that the right bracket in pic would mount to that philips screw but that's not correct and it's not even possible to install it there as the gate switch underneath will bind against the cottage wall.
Another pic shows the bracket positions of original part in red and repro (that is sitting upside down under the original) in green.
Flasher screw holes didn't align either but at least I was able to drill new ones there.
This time they answered to my claim but told that my table is different. Lucky me, a rare proto PZ!
Like others have said, they have unobtanium but be aware that some tinkering might be needed. If they would advertise this as "close but not original" and admit the flaws, I'd still be ok to pay the decently low prices for some of the stuff but with the fu attitude they have... well I'm going to avoid much as possible.
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