How many are expected in the first container ?

Wow

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Is there really a XV ? Just seen it on the box and was wondering .

Lmfao

What version was this from ?

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LVs on the way ??? Can’t wait to see the first unboxing !!!

Just wondering does the LV have doors that swing open /shut on the screen like it has in the promo pics ?

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No kiddin .Thanks man .

I’m waiting on a LV ,was told probably July .I’m hoping that’s the case but in todays day I’ll just wait for the call here on out .Ive only played it once on vacation in FL and there were issues with it so couldn’t really get a good take .On location I’m just looking how a game shoots and to get a little feel for the atmosphere as that you can never tell until you get one home .If you had to name a game that’s very similar in play and atmosphere ,what would that game be ? Just having some fun during the wait

That’s interesting .Dracula is a pin I’ve been wanting to play and finally got my chance while on vacation in Orlando .I had fun flipping it ,but I couldn’t hear anything as the volume was barely there .I’ve often thought about how much people miss while playing pinball on location without the full effects of the game .There’s a Alien an hour away from me at a location I go to but at this point I’m just going to wait for PIN DAY

Is there a master volume on the inside of the coin door ?

I’m actually glad to hear that .I played in metal bands my early years and worked construction my whole life .I’m not getting a hearing aide so turn that volume up I say !

So is mmm can anyone confirm this shipping container is at sea right now ?

Just to pass time , for those that have landed Alien ,what pin would you consider it most to shoot like ?

I’m very interested but need to get my Alien first to make that decision .I really like the looks of the cab .Hope a trailer drops soon .

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Real good to hear so many like this pin .Patiently waiting for the call was told July

Don’t tell me we’re going to need to put ramp decals on those glimmering ramps haha.I have them on IMDN and they look great, but lost a small % of hit shots early on until I decided to rub a small amount of wax on them.Now they glide up real smooth like rolling on butter

Im pretty proud of myself as far as staying calm since ordering .That being said ,I just heard next week or two and that tingly feeling is starting up :)Started in my toes and I’m just hoping to stall it getting into my brain where I’ll start checking phone every minute on the minute

A 3 hour tour , A 3 hour tour

Sweet Also if it helps anyone I was told mine is on a container due to arrive the 12th . Shit is bout to get real .

My Alien is in that container

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I was thinking of this for a topper .I think with the be one would look great .

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Becons

I just paid in full for a LV last week and was told the shipping container was due in port by the 12th .In all honesty I’ve gone to 3 locations trying to play Alien and all 3 times the game was not working properly .I was letting fear creep in until I talked with 3 long time pinheads I trust a lot .I’m floored by they’re response to this pin .One of them buys every new pin and never has fell “in love “ with one until he got his Alien LV .All big praise from guys who rarely give it .I’m fing pumped up !! Just have to “have patience and dial it in and you will be rewarded “,is what Im told .Now I need to do breathing exercises at night until she arrives

I have not seen that many for sale at all .I can’t remember but believe they have shipped 500-600 ? Is that correct ? I know it’s going to shoot like a widebody but has there been a widebody without a upper playfield ? I really wanted an immersive scary pin and dropped out on a HW for this so I’m real exited and if there’s some bumps in the road getting it straight so be it .I’m all in

I agree 100% .2 were real early on and the other was on vacation at a place that had 40 plus pins .I couldn’t imagine keeping a location like that running .That being said I like working on pins as much as playing them .Thanks bud but I’m all good .I’m very happy with this purchase even without flipping it yet as there’s zero doubt in my mind it will be the most immersive pin I brought home .I can’t wait .

I should’ve known Hobbit and STTNG DOH! I’ve only owned a WOZRR so I guess that’s where I was going .I just can’t wait until it gets here .I believe handled the wait well but now I’m in that “it’s really coming” zone

I can’t wait to see Queen gameplay myself to m my air a decision .Unique layout for sure .I really want to see that stadium in back light up seems it has a reflector in the rim .

In the meantime ,the container w my Alien LV is in port so I’m just trying to keep my mind off it until I get word it’s on the way .

It’s really good hearing about they’re customer service .Buff alo pinball we’re bashing them on they’re last podcast about “all the shit going wrong “ with it ,that they “didn’t need to waste any more time “ talking about PB .I don’t think they’re getting the fact that it’s this companies first pin .I’m very happy a new company is Delivering pinballs and On Top Of customer service .The rest is baby poop .Wipe it and move on .After the “gag order “ with JJP on GnR playfields I couldn’t wait to get rid of it and I don’t even pay attention to that sinking company any more .Shot like Sloth anyway

On another note .I’m really curious to see where they go after these 2 or 3 HW designed pins .I’m not sure how this would work ,but I have my fingered crossed someone calls Mbecker to work a deal for his Fight Club homebrew .I always thought that contracting out from the homebrew community would give a pin company spotted vowels as they would have a leg up on both the layout and community reaction to it prior to production .I understand there’s much more to it but for start ups I would think this would take a bunch of pressure out of the mix and allow shipments to continuously flow out the door until they get they’re feet firmly on the ground .

LE will be home Monday via Fed EX !!! Now I need to meditate or possibly medicate .Whichever does the trick

Teas

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I’m glad Fed Ex gave me a 4 hr window today .Nice to relax .I won’t be able to get it down the 180 stairs until late tonight anyway .Just want to see a box with no damage

Shit I wasn’t going to drink today but after seeing this …..

Very sorry to see that man .

It’s Go time

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I feel lucky today .Feel bad for the previous posts and hope they get squared away real soon .I’ll get it downstairs tonight after kids practices but starting 10 straight long ass days tomorrow .Somehow I think I’ll find some time to play

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Shipped at 2.7 and am going to leave for now as I have a busy 10 days starting tomorrow unless I call in sick lmfao!! I jacked this up almost all the way on the back legs and this is one Dope Ass Pin !!! This is the full immersion I’ve been looking for . Only thing I see so far is I need to tweak the spinners but after raising the pitch all shots are Butta

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Between me n kids ,the game was played 4 straight hours last night without a setback minus hearing the ball launch clicking without a ball to launch on a few occasions .I kept raising the pitch until it was maxed out and believe it could use a little more but I’m fine as is .I can see I need to tweak the spinners for sure but beside that all shots became smooth as the pitch went up .I look at the side ramp the same as LZs .I couldn’t hit that with a marble at first but as time went on I used a slap shot to achieve much better accuracy and will probably raise the flipper coil a little .Flippers seemed fine to me but I’m interested in some things people have been doing and will read back on it .All in all it was a great night filled with fun .The aura of this pin is off the charts .Looking forward to learning the rules now .I’ve read about the targets not being coded in sometime back .I know they were lit and made sounds but being the first time playing I’m not exactly sure what uses they had .I’m going to wait on the code update only because of a busy schedule and will install once the apron mod comes and I clear a day for installation . Best to all and couldn’t be happier with it thus far .

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I didn’t have it end a ball but would hear it during MBs ,maybe as balls were draining .I’m going to pay attention to it tonight while kids are playing and report back .

On another note , this pin shoots far better than I imagined it would .Couldn’t be any happier we picked this game to purchase .

My game was shipped with 2.7 and am waiting for the apron mod to arrive and clear a day for those and some mod installs .That being said ,I do randomly get black screen after start up .The p/f goes thru it’s thing ,and sometimes has sound and I just shut it off for a few minutes then all is ok .I did notice last night it happened while my kid was hitting start before it got to attract mode .Is this something that was fixed with 2.8 ? Just asking before I put a ticket in .

Also ,congrats to those who have received they’re pins and sorry to hear about others still waiting .One thing you can hold your hat on is that it seems that PB’s are getting issues nailed down as we move along .I have only a couple small issues (PB knows about these ) besides the normal tweaking on any pin .I’m really exited to see they’re making a appearance at CT as I’m really interested in Queen and am patiently awaiting some gameplay vids before it goes to a vote in the family The best thing of all is that I now have complete confidence in this company going forward (we need to remember this is basically they’re inaugural run) and really hope they’re in this for the long haul .

Have you noticed it only happening when hitting “start” too early ? I will look more into this tonight .

Things are starting to click after some suggested adjustments .Things are starting to get Crazy !!

Last night , we waited to hit Start until the PB logo came up on the screen and in doing so ,did not have any black screen issues (I will still enter a ticket tonight ).Besides that ,there is still the issue of the auto plunge firing at random times .I want to try and narrow it down to if it’s only happening on certain modes/MB’s before entering a ticket .That’s all we see as of now .

I’ve just started having kids play more whike I sit back watching them as you couldn’t pry my white knuckled hands off this pin the first week lmao

I had a good friend that had this game suggest a few things to me and this was one of them .Right flipper up 25% , left eject down 30% , and added 10 % to plunge power .We both were in agreement on jacking this game up all the way in back with the front legs as low as possible to achieve the highest pitch possible .Then after this , I pitched the back end (right to left) lower 1/4 inch on the left side but only in the back .The front stayed level .I need to play more tonight but it most surely has helped with the hypersleep (side ramp) shot which is very important in this game .It has completely changed the pace of this game for the better The next thing I’ll do is play with the settings of the bottom left flipper to see if I can get those left side shots separated (if this makes sense ) a bit as I’m having trouble in picking a flipper point on those 3 shots that are very close together .Last things after that will be getting the right spinner to sit correctly and work properly and in that same area toward the outside of the cabinet I noticed the sharpened point of the plastic is barely catching the ball coming around .I’ll try a slo motion video prior so others can see if they have the same issue .This is reminding me of our Rush LE in that once it’s all dialed in ,greatness awaits I can’t even explain in words how great this Alien is shooting now .This ,added with the theme integration of looks and sound is taking this pin to the absolute top of my (our) favorites list .It is that fing DOPE!!

I might give this a go also but do you think the coil will not cool down enough between shots ? It’s not really a shot used often .Just looking forward your opinion thanks bud .

Oh yeah .I forgot I turned off the staged flippers .That had a huge effect on gameplay .I don’t use that feature much in any pin as of now .

I’m not sure ,but I noticed the flippers were more “active “ after doing so .I have no idea how that works but I only adjusted the upper right in settings .

I just received mine recently and had it miss the grab here and there my first couple days playing , but after I pitched the machine all the way up in back (this did wonders for gameplay imo) I can only remember 1 time it missed and funny thing is it came back to the lower flipper and I had enough time to shoot it back up and got in the belly after all

I do not have a tool to read the pitch .I adjust my pins until they feel right and on this one ,I went as high as it would go in back (then later dropped the back left 1/4 inch out of level from the right ) and as low as possible in front keeping that level across .Dropping the back left has made the side ramp easier to hit (I’m still trying to figure out why ,if anyone has thoughts on this please tell) and that ramp is huge for scoring and progressing .Since I started putting the work in dialing Alien in, all of my scores ,game time ,and progress have been booming .Still ,I’m going to order applejuice’s fix for that area as the most important thing I’ve learned thus far in our sport is you NEVER know a game until it is fully dialed in .Most games Ive purchased have been used thru pinside from pinheads that had long lists of games owned therefore they were mostly plug and play .I’ve had quite a bit to do with our RushLE and Alien LV but the work is paying off big time to the fact that these might end up being (if not already are ) my 1A and 1B pins of all

I will be ordering this also .I still have no idea if dropping the rear/left leg a bit helped in hitting the side ramp or if it’ was just in my head .It reminds me of LZ’s “hot shot” .I ended up rubbing some of my secret lube (a WD-40 dry gel that people were cautioning on using )on the inside of the hood but also started using a “slap” more on the flip .Whatever the method used , the bottom line is to get these shots down !I wouldn’t call anything “ cheating” in a game at home as it’s there for fun I’d like to thank all the people that spend they’re spare time helping us average players make the pins we chose to purchase and bring home as fun as they can be . I’m just really ,really happy I bought this one before the price adjusts to the pin it really is

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I believe that was the first time I had Hypersleep going with Sentry also .It was a religious experience .

Now that sounds like fun ! congrats This game really takes off when it all starts clicking .

I just got home and started a game with the kids and this happened on my first ball.zeno stuck on magnet with ball and tigers stuck to it also stuck leaving hypersleep chamber .I take it balls are magnetized .Windeeing how this happens as it’s never before on any games I’ve had .Also does it do damage if you keep playing ?

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Sorry ,”others” stuck to it and other word is “wondering”.

I had just put the rest of what I had in the other games before this arriving .These are quite a bit cheaper than what I normally pay .Thank You

Does anyone actually use those ceramic balls ?

If it wasn’t for getting in this hobby and “needing” pinside , I’d still own a flip phone .I’ll look into it

Trying for a quick fix here while glass is off from a quick clean .I bent the switch just a bit to match the opposite side but what would you do to get the spinner to sit correctly ? any help woukd be much appreciated .

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Had to break out the anvil

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Now those mods look like they belong ! Care to share where you purchased ? I’d really appreciate .

No I reconfigured the spinner arms .Do you have one that sits up/down ? Just asking because my left one was resting straight vertical so I copied what that looked like on the right spinner .I carefully pushed down on the switch with a pencil eraser until I bowed it to match the other .Then carefully worked the arms to match my other side .I’d imagine this will be different for all but you can see I dropped both sides the right more than the left .It took some time just don’t bend too much at once go slow .It’s tedious going in/out constantly to check but worth it in the end .Use any lube you use for spinners just a tiny bit on the bearing points is all you need .

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I’m home sick this week and resting but just played a few games with the first as a spinner test .It may not sound that much to some but I hit 3 consecutive left orbits followed by a left ramp to scoop and it was absolutely Glorious Having the spinners this active is a big plus .Minus the phantom auto plunge ,and occasional
black screen to start that is fixed by rebooting ,I have nothing to talk about except how incredible this pin is becoming

Thanks , this seems a much better way .

Thank You

If I straighten them out they sit angled ,almost horizontal .I like the way they are now .They do not look that angled in person the picture looks bad for some reason .

Once vertical though , lube is important .They’re so active now .

I’ve put painters tape on the bracket before and crimped that to get a better seating .They’re all different as there’s a lot in play here like pathway ,bracket angle , hole placing etc. I’ve recently went through all 4 our pins and worked on the spinners .I never knew how much you can improve on them .Going forward ,this will be the first thing I do with any pin coming in so we get the most out of every spinner shot .

Yes your picture looks correct .Mine shipped with the left spinner having that bend in it .It ripped from the get go so I left it alone .I’d imagine someone had to bend it on purpose and a misplaced hole would be my guess although re aligning the bracket should probably be the best starting point .Does that make sense ?

I might ask for another set eventually but I’m happy for now .I’ve been serious sick this week and doing everything the Dr said to and rightfully so ,these infections can last some time nowadays .My wife has me grounded to the couch watching Lotr new series (which is real good )but I see Alien off to the right and Im getting restless like a junkie .I’m hoping she goes shopping soon

I have to add that after having the playfield up a few times there’s general things I’m sure have been mentioned but wanted to express anyway .I had to bend the locking buckles to get them to get up there to latch but these seem solid ,going forward I would think they need rubber boots to rest on the cabinet (I’m going to add myself ), I really like the lock down screws for the tabs to secure playfield (I’ve done this on my IMDN adds stability imo) , seems very easy to work underneath with plenty of space ,the glass fits very snug in the track little to no vibration ,I feel a little discomfort with only 1 latch on the back of the head and might add something to ease my mind ,I really liked what they did with the plunge lane being colored outside the ball rest ,I like having 3 ways to save a ball L/C/R as it drastically cuts down cheap drains and I don’t hear any rattling in this machine minus the Zeno start up (I’ll try lubing this ) .As far as a general build grade ,I’m at a A+. I’m curious to hear other peoples opinions on the general build .

Congrats and welcome !

I’ve stated on 2.7 since shipped .

was there different ones for SV and LV ?

I had a question guys , does “outside power source “or “separate power “ basically mean drawing from a separate power source or outlet ?

Ah , thank you for clearing that up

My LV was doing that out of box like 1/8 times .Then as time went on it was 1/5 , 1/3 , and now works everytime and the funny thing is ,I have not updated from 2.7 yet .Any ideas on this ? Fwiw I just have not had the time lately .Now that I’m thinking about it , I can’t remember the last time the Zeno missed . Im a huge fan of these modes and mb’s .I like how the Drop Ship’s and Life Cycle’s are used and am just learning the rest but was wondering what’s going on with the targets? I heard recently that they mostly were not coded in yet .Is this correct ? I know some light and it seems to be tied in with mode shots .I hear the sounds but am not sure what’s going on .Any help will be appreciated .I hope this don’t come across in a bad way but I would love to see some side tasks and more content in between modes/mb’s.”Polish” is the term Im looking for .Me , my Wife ,and 2 teenage boys enjoy this game “together” more than any other pin we’ve had minus our first ,WOZRR , although the later wore off quick with the boys and Alien feels new every night we plunge .I just think a little “push” with code would push Alien across the finish line and cement it with the all time greats If it’s done ,nothing changes as it’s the most immersive pin We’ve owned .Last thing , get one of these trans when he makes more ! Pictures do not do it justice

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So are all these “individual” poses ? I can’t get over how cool these look in person

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Thanks Kevin .

Is the ring set the same for the LV as the Standard ? I’m in the middle of ordering titans for another pin and wanted to add in a set for our Alien .Also does anyone have pictures of light blue rings on they’re LV installed ?

Thank you

Ha , I ordered that set earlier along with some plunger tips in colors to match games .

I went with the light blue .

I actually added a set of translucent with the light blue .I’ve seen a few pins with a mix of color and clear .They looked great so I want to try it with this .I just finished ordering so I’ll post pics when they arrive and installed .

So if I’m on 2.7 , I need to install 2.8 and 2.9 before installing 3.0 ?

I have found (for myself at least)hitting the hypersleep ramp shot is the exact same process as “hot shot” side ramp on LZ prem and the “Snikt” shot on DP prem .I would hit those shots roughly 1/12 times when first got the games .It just takes practice and a bit of tweaking .With Alien ,I have the back/left leg dropped about 1/4 inch so pitched downward from right to left in the back only .This gives the playfield a bit of a slider inside to a right handed hitter where if I let the ball go from the center of playfield(center of where flipper gap would be if at the top ) at the zeno it will gradually curve to hit the tip of the left flipper .This has helped a bunch with the HS shot and everything under it on the left side without sacrificing any accuracy on the right .Call me nuts but there’s no doubt it has worked .This is not the only pin I’ve done this (or very similar) with .Also ,I use a “slap” style shot on all three.Very quick and hard so I don’t get those dreaded returns .

That’s what ai thought .

I’m on 2.7 and have not had many issues .Im not lazy ,I’m trying to finish some jobs up and it looks like I have 2 complete days off next week thur/fri and will be installing the apron , updating code and hopefully new titans if they arrive by then .Last night I had a real smooth game going .I scored big on derelict ship , acid burn and blew up Hypersleep MB .My 2nd ball ended prematurely as there was a ball in play , the flippers went dead and drained .I did have 2 balls in the scoop just prior .Anyway, my third ball ended when I nudged the left outlane to where I should’ve “screamed again “ but instead heard that dreadful laugh .Whether I got these shots down or my tweaking is working ,I’ve been playing longer games and getting the rules down more and more .The honeymoon is over and I still love my baby 365 is my high and looking forward to passing this up real soon .

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I’m glad you did too .This pin is Insane Fun ! I really like how you have to work for a chance at the main shot .1) hit either orbit 2) nudge to earn the ball dropping to the upper right 3) only after that you get your chance .

Congratulations Big Daddy !!!

These look absolutely incredible in person and I’m happy to be in the club Going to be installing the apron next week when my vacation starts .Kurt , will you be making these for any other pins ? If so count me in for a IMDN premium my friend

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It’s funny you say that .3 people I know that have large collections and been in this hobby a long time all say the same .Alien sits in my top 5 for sure and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s closer to 1 than 5 .Besides it being a absolute beauty ,this pin is the most immersive pin I’ve ever played period !! I don’t know how to explain this but these modes n multi balls have a way of pulling me in like I’m really there .Does this make sense ? My favorite pin is IMDN and with that I feel I’m playing pinball .With Alien I feel I’m in a movie .

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Yeah I’ve been wondering why not many have rated the LV .Not that it matters but it’s a little strange .

I have not had any issues minus the occasional black screen easily fixed with a redo but I have not downloaded since 2.7 .I’m just waiting I need a whole day to install the apron ,set of titans , tracker mod and some others things as well .Game is a all time great for me after 400 ish plays .Most immersive pinball I’ve ever played period

Looking for some help .I finally got a rain day and am off my regular job ,so it’s “Alien” day and finally getting to all the installs ,code updates etc .I’m installing rings now and was looking for advice how to get the wire form off @ the plunge .I removed the nuts underneath but do not want to force anything .So how do I get the leads out of the hitch in the playfield ?

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That was a great move by PBs bringing a line of Aliens to play at Expo.I could tell that pinheads were awakening to this pin while at they’re booth .This pin is as good as it gets imo.I firmly have this in my top 5 ,most likely #3 behind IMDN and MET. I took advantage of a rainy day and installed the apron ,Chestbuster mod , tracker mod and a set of Titans mixed light blue/translucent and even though not finished quite yet ,I’m loving how it’s looking .I have to install 3.0 ,install a splitter and lights for trans ,then I’ll get to work on my topper idea .I’ll throw the kitchen sink at Alien as it’s going nowhere It’s the first pin me and my boys are all on the same page with as far as the fun factor goes .We couldn’t be any happier with this purchase and most importantly , only a couple very small ,quick fix issues .It’s played great from day 1.

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Top 3 pin of all for me .Love it and very little issues almost zero .

I have it as high as can get it .Start there most people I know have it jacked up all the way also .Shoots fantastic .