Alien (Ellen Ripley Version)
Pinball Brothers, 2023
Alien (Limited Version)
Pinball Brothers, 2021
Alien (Standard)
Pinball Brothers, 2020Anyone else have issues with their topper parts not matching?
It's hard to get a good photo, more obvious in person. But the left arm is a lot more blue than the alien body and right arm which are more grayish with a hint of blue. Stands out like a sore thumb. I emailed Pinball Brothers to see if they can send a matching arm.
IMG_3389 (resized).jpgIMG_3390 (resized).jpgIMG_3395 (resized).jpgQuoted from Chalkey:Tried telling him. He's going to ignore this and continue what he's doing until the target faces are flush with the playfield.
Lol!
Quoted from Ceemunkey:I've bought some of Lior's stuff before - it's all incredibly well crafted and detailed so I cannot wait to see this thing. Some of it definitely requires a more in-depth install procedure (Iron Maiden backboard especially), so I was fully expecting that too. Still no word on any Australia shipments, but apparently they've all been sent so it should be on it's way.
I'm at the point now where i need to utilise more USB power sockets for some extra mods. I've see the video of tapping from the power supply and using an outlet board (which has USB sockets in) - is this still the recommended way to go? I'm generally ok with installing stuff, but I've never messed around with a power supply before so I guess I'm looking for comment such as "it's so super easy and won't damage anything so just go for it".
I tapped into the power supply to add a power strip with USB ports for extra mods about 8 months ago. I had never done something like that before but can confirm it was super easy and hasn't cause any issues so far!
Quoted from ASAC_Schrader:Anyone else have issues with their topper parts not matching?
It's hard to get a good photo, more obvious in person. But the left arm is a lot more blue than the alien body and right arm which are more grayish with a hint of blue. Stands out like a sore thumb. I emailed Pinball Brothers to see if they can send a matching arm.
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It's like they forgot the white airbrush on that arm completely. Let's blame the guy that hacked liors Facebook page
Quoted from Sorokyl:It's like they forgot the white airbrush on that arm completely. Let's blame the guy that hacked liors Facebook page
Yeah, maybe that's it. They forgot the last step of painting.
Pinball Brothers USA replied and said to check back in 2-3 weeks as they are expecting some topper spare parts. They will send a new better matching arm
I have a question for the individuals who added a facehugger to the open egg pop bumper, which one did you get?
Another question, I just installed an open egg pop bumper cap from Back Alley Creations. Is it normal for the circumference to be a little smaller than the closed egg?
Joined the club today with a pimped out Ripley edition.
Even though HR Giger is my favorite artist of all time and the first two Alien movies are some of my favorites I was put off getting this game for the longest time because the initial release had so few clips and callouts from the actual films. That same issue killed my enthusiasm for Stern JP and led to me selling it quickly.
Now that all the clips and voiceover has been added this game is masterclass. The best non-Stern pinball machine from the last 10 years imo.
Quoted from ASAC_Schrader:Anyone else have issues with their topper parts not matching?
It's hard to get a good photo, more obvious in person. But the left arm is a lot more blue than the alien body and right arm which are more grayish with a hint of blue. Stands out like a sore thumb. I emailed Pinball Brothers to see if they can send a matching arm.
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That seems to have been by intent? I unpacked my topper today and so much blue, and different intensity of blue between body and arms. I bought the alien head replacement for the playfield which is nicely grey and black. Not blue.
I wonder if when it’s built and up top this will somehow look uniform?
I unboxed the topper today and wanted to share pictures of what it looks like disassembled. There is a can of water for scale
The black alien head is the one that was originally on the playfield, which I already replaced.
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The black alien head is the one that was originally on the playfield, which I already replaced.[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]
Where is the tongue? Great pics by the way.
Hey all - Topper installed over here. Pretty good - I borked the backbox LED strip during install - but have another one on the way (Cable got stuck during backbox lowering)- had to install topper basically twice because I didn't have the firmware updated like I thought i did...oops
Anyway - the only thing that's standing out for me is the tail. It worked for a bit but as expected, fell off. I was thinking of gluing it in place some how. Another suggestion from another owner indicated to try one of the other screws included in kit.
*UPDATE* - The screw that's in the kit is definitely different than what was in the servo box..it's a black screw - seems to work better. Still pretty suspect on how long it will work, but definitely use that one and disregard the instructions (they show a picture of the correct screw)
Looking for a solid suggestion or tip.
I had to open a ticket because the tail on my topper does not move at all during gameplay. Only during the servo tests. I would assume it should move at bootup as well like the Alien Jaw, but no dice. I've noticed a lot of people complaining about it not moving much if at all during gameplay. At first I figured it must just be a code issue. But some people in this thread claim the tail is indeed moving for them during gameplay.
Also, the servo itself didn't come with the screw to attach it to the tail. I had to use the thin black screw from the extras bag.
Since a lot of people are saying they don't notice the tail moving, there most be a common thread. Just don't see what it would be since it moves during the tests.
Quoted from hollyw00d:I had to open a ticket because the tail on my topper does not move at all during gameplay. Only during the servo tests. I would assume it should move at bootup as well like the Alien Jaw, but no dice. I've noticed a lot of people complaining about it not moving much if at all during gameplay. At first I figured it must just be a code issue. But some people in this thread claim the tail is indeed moving for them during gameplay.
Also, the servo itself didn't come with the screw to attach it to the tail. I had to use the thin black screw from the extras bag.
Since a lot of people are saying they don't notice the tail moving, there most be a common thread. Just don't see what it would be since it moves during the tests.
The screw from the bag is the one you use; the instructions are misleading or just wrong.
Also...did you reset the servo to 0 in the game software before installing? If not, it may be trying to move the tail in a direction it can't go during gameplay (or if you have it resting against an alien part and it can't move down).
Quoted from hollyw00d:I had to open a ticket because the tail on my topper does not move at all during gameplay. Only during the servo tests. I would assume it should move at bootup as well like the Alien Jaw, but no dice. I've noticed a lot of people complaining about it not moving much if at all during gameplay. At first I figured it must just be a code issue. But some people in this thread claim the tail is indeed moving for them during gameplay.
Also, the servo itself didn't come with the screw to attach it to the tail. I had to use the thin black screw from the extras bag.
Since a lot of people are saying they don't notice the tail moving, there most be a common thread. Just don't see what it would be since it moves during the tests.
If it moves in test, I assume there's nothing they can do for you. Either you haven't updated to the latest game code, or it really doesn't move often. It's certainly not gonna be noticable if you're watching the ball. perhaps someone here can verify a specific thing that will trigger the tail, and you can try with glass off while moving tail..
The tail moves very often and very noticeably.
Every time you hit the 2 stand up targets under the alien it wags its tail, and its a lot of very noticeable motion.
You do need to make sure you zero'd the servo out and you do need to make sure you are running the latest code and firmware.
The topper is excellent. Very well done.
Lior is sending me a replacement matching left arm.
My only small complaint is the attachment method, the double sided tape is a poor way to mount it. Really should have been 4 screw holes. Oh well. Other than that this topper is excellent.
Got my topper. I am happy with the sculpture and the art of it. The way it is installed seems like a prototype where it is okay to cover up a connector or have to assemble it while cables are plugged in at both ends. But I would have expected another rev to make it so it can be mounted and unmounted without disassembling the entire thing.
I am fixing that problem. I replaced the ethernet cable with 2 ethernet cables and a coupler. I cut the power cable and the 2 beacon power cables and installed some connectors. Now I can work on it off the machine and easily mount/unmount it if I need to move the machine or something.
The part I have not figured out yet is how to mount it without double-stick tape, velcro, or any glue. I think replacing the screws that hold the acrylic faceplate on with longer screws that go through into the top of the backbox is one option. Ideally, I would use nuts and bolts and no more of these self-tapping screws for things that may have to go on and off.
I can laser cut (or carefully drill) some new holes in the acrylic if I need to. The front two existing holes would hit the front bezel for the translite, so they would have to be wood screws. I will post what I wind up doing.
Both of the xeno's arms are way mismatched. They are basically royal blue and the body is grey-blue, and the tail is sky-blue. It's a bit nuts and it looks like she is wearing some arm length gloves, I guess she is a queen. I will write Lior and PB about it.
The only real problem I have is that my base is warped. It does not sit flat. I can get it assembled because the backdrop when tightened (although not too much with those threaded inserts being weak) holds it straight. I can lean into the warp if I put some spacers on the back and tilt it forward, then you can't see the gap that the warp causes. I am going to try heating it a bit and clamping it to a piece of plywood to try to straighten it out.
Also, the xeno tongue hangs out the side, looking like a puppy with side tongue. I will likely just glue it in straight.
And the tail drags along the head when it moves. Probably because of the warp. I have not played the game yet, but in test mode it can move to the positions, but it does move the head a bit. We'll see once I get the base straightened. I can also put a spacer on the rear head mount to lean it forward a bit.
One mod I am going to try is to put some red diffuser plastic over the front led strip. Maybe it will make the blue alien look darker and kill that reflection off the side edge of the acrylic.
Pretty cool thing it is, just posting what I am doing in case it helps. Besides the warp, it's all good and I am mostly playing around.
20240804_164423 (resized).jpg20240804_202437 (resized).jpg20240804_202454 (resized).jpgQuoted from argon:Got my topper. I am happy with the sculpture and the art of it. The way it is installed seems like a prototype where it is okay to cover up a connector or have to assemble it while cables are plugged in at both ends. But I would have expected another rev to make it so it can be mounted and unmounted without disassembling the entire thing.
I am fixing that problem. I replaced the ethernet cable with 2 ethernet cables and a coupler. I cut the power cable and the 2 beacon power cables and installed some connectors. Now I can work on it off the machine and easily mount/unmount it if I need to move the machine or something.
The part I have not figured out yet is how to mount it without double-stick tape, velcro, or any glue. I think replacing the screws that hold the acrylic faceplate on with longer screws that go through into the top of the backbox is one option. Ideally, I would use nuts and bolts and no more of these self-tapping screws for things that may have to go on and off.
I can laser cut (or carefully drill) some new holes in the acrylic if I need to. The front two existing holes would hit the front bezel for the translite, so they would have to be wood screws. I will post what I wind up doing.
Both of the xeno's arms are way mismatched. They are basically royal blue and the body is grey-blue, and the tail is sky-blue. It's a bit nuts and it looks like she is wearing some arm length gloves, I guess she is a queen. I will write Lior and PB about it.
The only real problem I have is that my base is warped. It does not sit flat. I can get it assembled because the backdrop when tightened (although not too much with those threaded inserts being weak) holds it straight. I can lean into the warp if I put some spacers on the back and tilt it forward, then you can't see the gap that the warp causes. I am going to try heating it a bit and clamping it to a piece of plywood to try to straighten it out.
Also, the xeno tongue hangs out the side, looking like a puppy with side tongue. I will likely just glue it in straight.
And the tail drags along the head when it moves. Probably because of the warp. I have not played the game yet, but in test mode it can move to the positions, but it does move the head a bit. We'll see once I get the base straightened. I can also put a spacer on the rear head mount to lean it forward a bit.
One mod I am going to try is to put some red diffuser plastic over the front led strip. Maybe it will make the blue alien look darker and kill that reflection off the side edge of the acrylic.
Pretty cool thing it is, just posting what I am doing in case it helps. Besides the warp, it's all good and I am mostly playing around.[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]
My base was warped too. Makes the thin double sided tape not work very well! I vhb'd mine on..don't plan on taking it off any time sooner..
Quoted from Sorokyl:My base was warped too. Makes the thin double sided tape not work very well! I vhb'd mine on..don't plan on taking it off any time sooner..
I originally thought mine was too, but then realized one side was sitting on the beacon wire.
Quoted from Rager170:I originally thought mine was too, but then realized one side was sitting on the beacon wire.
I went through the opposite. I thought it was sitting on the beacon wire and I kept rotating the beacon and looking from the inside of the backbox up through the hole etc. But then I realized that the back edge of the base is straight and sits flat, but not the front edge. The right front corner is curved upwards and it puts ice cube tray like torsion on the acrylic.
I am trying to straighten it and I am also going to write PB. I think the reason the tail rubs against the head is because the front of the base is warped up and the alien head leans back as a result. I think a little shim on the rear head mount will fix it.
Quoted from hollyw00d:Since a lot of people are saying they don't notice the tail moving, there most be a common thread. Just don't see what it would be since it moves during the tests.
Quoted from argon:I think the reason the tail rubs against the head is because the front of the base is warped up and the alien head leans back as a result. I think a little shim on the rear head mount will fix it.
I installed mine last night. At first the tail didn't move as others have experienced also. The issue for me was the tolerances were a bit off so that the square peg at the base of the alien didn't quite line up with the hole when the screw was installed. As a result the right side of the alien rested on the plastic and the left side (right for the player) fell into the hole so it tilted towards the tail and hit it which kept it from moving. Putting 3 washers under the alien leveled it and tilted it forward so the tail moves great now.
Quoted from KevInBuffalo:Settle in, here’s my story of ordering translites from Pinball Bros:
I ordered two ER Loader Translites on March 5, along with a second, separate, order for two Mini-LCD Screen mods (I have a local friend with an Alien so I ordered one of each for him and me).
On April 9 I had not received either order so I sent a follow up email asking if they’d shipped yet. I was told that the translites were still in route, but that I had "impeccable timing” that the two Mini-LCD Screen mods were on the way and they sent a tracking number. A few days later (April 11) I received the LCD screen mods.
In a second email on April 9 I asked for an ETA on when the translites might ship and was told "hopefully they will arrive by the end of this week and will be on the way next week.”
One month later, on May 9 I asked for a status update on the translites. I was told "They were shipped on top of the last batch of games I received, but unfortunately they disappeared when the games arrived." He said he hoped the next batch would arrive in less than a week.
One month later, on June 4, I asked for an update. He said he had a shipment arrive and that he’d look though it that week and let me know if the translites were there.
On June 20th I hadn’t received an update so I asked if they’d shipped, and said that if not, I’d like them to cancel the order and refund my payment. I got no reply and followed up four days later. I didn’t receive a reply to that and haven’t received any more emails from them since.
On June 27 I filed a PayPal case, and received no response from PB. So on July 8 I escalated it to a claim. Pinball Bros didn’t respond to the claim at any point so today PayPal closed the case in my favor and I received my $328 back.
Considering they have the translites listed as "Scheduled to ship Nov/Dec 2023” and that they’re readily available to purchase on their site, it’s all pretty ridiculous.
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The saga continues! DigitalJedi084 managed to get these shipped in a convoluted way -- I'll let him explain the process and maybe it'll work for others too...
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So, in a really strange bit of events. I created a support ticket to check to see if SV translights where available to purchase. I was going to potentially trade my SV translight for the loader battle version, and wanted to see if I could get an SV down the road if I changed my mind.
In our ticket conversation, I asked what the queue was like for the loader version, they told me they were available to ship right away. EPC generated an invoice for KevInBuffalo and my translights, I paid via paypal, and it shipped right away. Packaged went from Italy, to France, to Belgium, and then finally FedEx's main Nashville hub.
The entire process, from start of the ticket, to arrival, took 12 days! 
This is also super helpful for any RV/LV owners who may want to procure the original SV translight that's not listed on the website. Good luck!
Quoted from DigitalJedi084:So, in a really strange bit of events. I created a support ticket to check to see if SV translights where available to purchase. I was going to potentially trade my SV translight for the loader battle version, and wanted to see if I could get an SV down the road if I changed my mind.
In our ticket conversation, I asked what the queue was like for the loader version, they told me they were available to ship right away. EPC generated an invoice for KevInBuffalo and my translights, I paid via paypal, and it shipped right away. Packaged went from Italy, to France, to Belgium, and then finally FedEx's main Nashville hub.
The entire process, from start of the ticket, to arrival, took 12 days!
This is also super helpful for any RV/LV owners who may want to procure the original SV translight that's not listed on the website. Good luck!
Interesting, when I create a support ticket for Pinball brothers, I get Shawn from PBUSA. Super nice guy but he owes me a warranty loader translite and the mini-beacon flasher kit that apparently FnO just got in stock.
Flasher Mini-Beacon kit - ordered June 6
Warranty Loader translite - ticket on June 10th...status:
June 10: "a couple of weeks"
June 18: "2 -3 weeks"
Jul 9: next batch of parts (including everything you still need) will be on the way here hopefully by the end of next week. There was a delay, due to needing some parts to finish the current batch of the mini flasher kits at the factory. They said they will arrive soon, and then the shipment will be on the way.
Jul 19: "still in route from the factory"
Jul 25: next batch of parts that will be shipping soon. Check back with me in about 2 weeks
Shawn is very helpful troubleshooting, and if he has the part, he gets it to me immediately. , but apparently, if you want something from PB Shawn doesn't have.. you want to talk to the people in Italy...
I don't know why PB/EPC italy is willing to immediately ship loader add-ons to customers in the USA, but refuse to immediately ship warranty parts to customers in USA. Are they trying to save on shipping?
If anyone has a spare LV or SV translite they’d like to trade for the loader battle Ripley translite shoot me a PM.
Quoted from Sorokyl:I don't know why PB/EPC italy is willing to immediately ship loader add-ons to customers in the USA, but refuse to immediately ship warranty parts to customers in USA. Are they trying to save on shipping?
I honestly didn’t even believe it would ship, after being told the same for months and months with our last order. This time 1-2 weeks was actually 1-2 weeks!
Ok, I received my new targets that someone was nice enough to setup for me.. unfortunately still having the same problem. Here is the slow-mo video you all wanted...
I am at a loss of what to do but im close to getting rid of it and letting else someone try. Its just going to break something. IMO its unplayable.
Also to mention, my flippers are both at -15 power.
Quoted from Rager170:Ok, I received my new targets that someone was nice enough to setup for me.. unfortunately still having the same problem. Here is the slow-mo video you all wanted...
I am at a loss of what to do but im close to getting rid of it and letting else someone try. Its just going to break something. IMO its unplayable.
Also to mention, my flippers are both at -15 power.
dude why did you take a video from above!! if you take this from the side it will be much easier for us to confirm if the ball is airborne before it reaches the magnet, but it certainly seems airborne before it reaches the target
Please post a picture of your flippers, from the center of the playfield backwards, so we can confirm flipper height and rubber placement.
Quoted from Rager170:Ok, I received my new targets that someone was nice enough to setup for me.. unfortunately still having the same problem. Here is the slow-mo video you all wanted...
I am at a loss of what to do but im close to getting rid of it and letting else someone try. Its just going to break something. IMO its unplayable.
Also to mention, my flippers are both at -15 power.
Fix for ball hopping when hitting Xeno targets:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nAbEz6VHpTw8Kl0FMe9Gfh8GaA52Q2-uChS36ffJNn4/edit?usp=sharing
Quoted from torpedo2k:Need a little assistance. Found these in the bottom of the machine. Cant find where they go.
Any ideas?
Edit: I found them in the very back of the machine. 2 e-clips and one nut.
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Those are from your face hugger pop bumpers. I'm guessing they aren't working properly.
I had one of those fall off and I had to replace it with a new C nut. After doing so, never had the problem again.
Quoted from Lamoraldus:Looks like the ball isn’t rolling but flying into the targets. Did you change flipper power?
-15 on both flippers.
Quoted from brado426:Fix for ball hopping when hitting Xeno targets:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nAbEz6VHpTw8Kl0FMe9Gfh8GaA52Q2-uChS36ffJNn4/edit?usp=sharing
This has not helped me.
Quoted from Sorokyl:dude why did you take a video from above!! if you take this from the side it will be much easier for us to confirm if the ball is airborne before it reaches the magnet, but it certainly seems airborne before it reaches the target
Please post a picture of your flippers, from the center of the playfield backwards, so we can confirm flipper height and rubber placement.
Yea i have no clue how to do that by myself lol. It is not happening from being in the air prior to reaching the targets.
Quoted from brado426:Those are from your face hugger pop bumpers. I'm guessing they aren't working properly.
I had one of those fall off and I had to replace it with a new C nut. After doing so, never had the problem again.
Appreciate the feedback. Yes, I checked the sling hardware. All good there. Slings working properly.
Quoted from hollyw00d:I had to open a ticket because the tail on my topper does not move at all during gameplay. Only during the servo tests. I would assume it should move at bootup as well like the Alien Jaw, but no dice. I've noticed a lot of people complaining about it not moving much if at all during gameplay. At first I figured it must just be a code issue. But some people in this thread claim the tail is indeed moving for them during gameplay.
Quoted from beelzeboob:The screw from the bag is the one you use; the instructions are misleading or just wrong.
Also...did you reset the servo to 0 in the game software before installing? If not, it may be trying to move the tail in a direction it can't go during gameplay (or if you have it resting against an alien part and it can't move down).
Yes I followed the instructions and reset it to 0. And like I said, it moves in test mode.
And the tail is not being stopped by the queen, it moves fine in test. I'm on latest code and firmware.
Quoted from Rager170:So, I put some foam behind the target, all fixed. Granted, some of the light is blocked from the led, but ill take it!
Interesting solution. I wonder if that's why the parts-breakdown from PB for these targets show a piece of foam mounted on the PC board behind the target.
My RV does not have this foam piece on any of the targets.
How many other machines have targets without these foam inserts?
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You know, if I did that to you, you would go crying like a baby like last time lol hahaha
Quoted from argon:I went through the opposite. I thought it was sitting on the beacon wire and I kept rotating the beacon and looking from the inside of the backbox up through the hole etc. But then I realized that the back edge of the base is straight and sits flat, but not the front edge. The right front corner is curved upwards and it puts ice cube tray like torsion on the acrylic.
I am trying to straighten it and I am also going to write PB. I think the reason the tail rubs against the head is because the front of the base is warped up and the alien head leans back as a result. I think a little shim on the rear head mount will fix it.
Wow thats pretty crazy! Annoying problems for a game add on! lol
Alien Post Pass!
As well as Aliens, I have Gottlieb, Bally, Williams, Stern & JJP in my collection and the only machine I can't perform a clean/consistant post pass on is Aliens!
Is it just me, or is there some sort of different technique required for Alien??
Cheers
Geoff
Quoted from John_C:Interesting solution. I wonder if that's why the parts-breakdown from PB for these targets show a piece of foam mounted on the PC board behind the target.
My RV does not have this foam piece on any of the targets.
How many other machines have targets without these foam inserts?
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My original SV targets all had a foam piece. When I ordered some spares over a year ago they also had the foam piece. I just received a new order of 4 new (spare) targets and guess what? No foam. I also noticed with these new targets the main mounting bracket to the playfield is angled slightly differently from the old target ones and a bit different in size. The new targets come with locknuts for the main assembly which the old ones did not. Both boards are Rev C and made in 2021. I would love to know the reasoning behind this. Save 2 cents?
Quoted from Optimiser:My original SV targets all had a foam piece. When I ordered some spares over a year ago they also had the foam piece. I just received a new order of 4 new (spare) targets and guess what? No foam. I also noticed with these new targets the main mounting bracket to the playfield is angled slightly differently from the old target ones and a bit different in size. The new targets come with locknuts for the main assembly which the old ones did not. Both boards are Rev C and made in 2021.
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Interesting.. Thanks for showing this. Going to move the foam to be under the LED so light doesnt get blocked.
Quoted from Rager170:Ok, I received my new targets that someone was nice enough to setup for me.. unfortunately still having the same problem. Here is the slow-mo video you all wanted...
I am at a loss of what to do but im close to getting rid of it and letting else someone try. Its just going to break something. IMO its unplayable.
Also to mention, my flippers are both at -15 power.
I downloaded the video and replayed it in 0.2x speed in VLC, it is harder to 100% confirm from the angle, but really looks like the ball is airborn prior to the targets. It appears to launch off the magnet, but its difficult to tell what happens exactly in the tight frame.
Dont mind the crap video of video!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S-k7dUG0Omn5LwqM4fudAw_gvhHqnoED/view?usp=sharing
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