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Pinball Arcade announces "expensive kickstarter"


By Kineticross

5 years ago



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#1 5 years ago

So I was watching Pinball Arcade's livestream today (they showed High Roller Casino + Cirqus Voltaire) and they mentioned there is indeed a kickstarter confirmed for Season 4, but it is an expensive one and they will reveal it in tomorrow's newsletter.

Could it be the world's most requested table, The Addams Family?

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#2 5 years ago

Who cares?

#3 5 years ago

I think a ton of people do...they must as the world is filled with expensive kickstarters these days

#4 5 years ago

I care. I'm on the road quite a bit and I love Pinball Arcade on my Playstation Vita. It's the only pinball fix I can get sometimes for months at a stretch. Curious what the kickstarter will be.

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#5 5 years ago

A lot of us care, and you should too. Pinball Arcade is a BIG reason the pinball scene is blowing back up. A lot of younger people with iPads and other tablets, consoles/etc are being introduced to the entire pinball world thanks to this awesome game. It's preserving the golden years of pinball at a fraction of the cost of the real machines. I've bought a few pins in real life because I got to play them and fall in love with them on pinball arcade.

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#6 5 years ago

Even if you don't play the games, Pinball Arcade is a great resource for learning the rulesets of the games.

#7 5 years ago

Mr. Bally you should....You like the hobby correct, you are on a pinball website? Want to see more people get turned onto pinball then this app/game is our ticket. I have seen more children play pinball on a ipad then I probably ever will on location. Want to play MM but the one near you is routed to hell well you can and for free no less. Yes the physics and play are not the same but for what it is it does it damn well.

Pinball Arcade has the chance to do what no pinball machine can do, grow the hobby. For myself it allowed me fool around on games before considering purchasing one.

With that said I will back the next kickstarter and I could care less what tables are offered only that I am in some way helping our little hobby.

#9 5 years ago

I hope its a Pinball Circus

#10 5 years ago
Quoted from ChadH:

Even if you don't play the games, Pinball Arcade is a great resource for learning the rulesets of the games.

Exactly. It doesn't take the place of Pinball, but I think they do a fine damn job of replicating machines for the fans. I just wish they would figure out a way to let friends to play together online with chat.

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#11 5 years ago
Quoted from Aurich:

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In myyyyyy day, we didn't need online kickstarter campaigns to fund our projects.

We raised money the old fashioned way. In other words, we DIDN'T raise the money at all.

We let our dreams fester in our mind and die, along with our spirit and will to live.

And we likeeeeeed it!

#12 5 years ago

Oh also they are releasing Bram Stokers Dracula

#13 5 years ago

Could be Indiana Jones.

From what I've heard a big issue with Adams is Raul Julia's estate.

#14 5 years ago
Quoted from ChadH:

Even if you don't play the games, Pinball Arcade is a great resource for learning the rulesets of the games.

This is one of the main reasons why I play games on the Pinball Arcade. But I do find it curious that if there IS in fact another kickstarter, it would be asking for money when some previous contributors had Xbox 360's and were left disappointed. I thought buying the tables alone was enough contribution.

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#15 5 years ago

No.

I've been a Pinball Arcade kickstarter supporter in the past, but I feel they are established enough to stand on their own feet. It's not ok to ask the fans to subsidize their income/risk any longer.

There's plenty of unlicensed tables they could produce that would not require panhandling.

#16 5 years ago
Quoted from Firebaall:

No.
I've been a Pinball Arcade kickstarter supporter in the past, but I feel they are established enough to stand on their own feet. It's not ok to ask the fans to subsidize their income/risk any longer.
There's plenty of unlicensed tables they could produce that would not require panhandling.

I'm sorry to prove you wrong but literally their entire repertoire up to this point is unlicensed tables. So far the latest licensed machine they recreated was Terminator 2.

#17 5 years ago
Quoted from Kineticross:

I'm sorry to prove you wrong but literally their entire repertoire up to this point is unlicensed tables. So far the latest licensed machine they recreated was Terminator 2.

He is certainly correct where he says: "they are established enough to stand on their own feet. It's not ok to ask the fans to subsidize their income/risk any longer".

Go ahead and donate for the three of us, they won't see a penny from me.

#18 5 years ago

You kids get off my lawn.

#19 5 years ago
Quoted from Kineticross:

I'm sorry to prove you wrong but literally their entire repertoire up to this point is unlicensed tables. So far the latest licensed machine they recreated was Terminator 2.

Please illustrate how you are proving something.

My comment pretty much explicitly states that unlicensed tables are not asking us for donations to produce. This company only asks for dollars to remove the risk when they produce tables that require money (TZ, STTNG). If they can't bear to risk their own money, they should stick to titles that don't require financial commitment. Kickstarters should not be abused because they don't want to risk their own paychecks.

#20 5 years ago

I only play pinball arcade when I'm taking a #2 in the john at work...

#21 5 years ago

I'd be thrilled to see another licensed table, kickstarter or not.

It beats having to try to hunt down a pin when prices are so astronomical.

[edit]: I just checked the pinballarcadefans.com forums, and speculation is high that it's TAF. While I hope it is, a boatload of people sure are going to be disappointed if it isn't...

#22 5 years ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

I think a ton of people do...they must as the world is filled with expensive kickstarters these days

I once owned a KTM, now that's an expensive kickstarter.
Pretty sure KTM stands for Kick Ten Minutes.

#23 5 years ago
Quoted from ChadH:

Even if you don't play the games, Pinball Arcade is a great resource for learning the rulesets of the games.

but pinmame / vp is better for that with you being able to the full ranges of rom sets as well full settings / dips menus.

#24 5 years ago
Quoted from ChadH:

Even if you don't play the games, Pinball Arcade is a great resource for learning the rulesets of the games.

And what I mean by this is that each table in Pinball Arcade has a tutorial that goes though all the rules in depth... graphically pointing out each shot associated with each rule!

It's really quite cool, you should check it out if you haven't already. Go into the game you want to learn, then go into "Table Menu" and then choose "Instructions".

#25 5 years ago

found this on the internet...

http://companies.findthebest.com/l/20346452/Farsight-Technologies-Inc-in-Big-Bear-Lake-CA

Has $4.5 million in annual revenue....Don't think they need a kickstart..

#26 5 years ago

F*ck those cows

Still no cabinet mode, hell not even a real full screen portrait mode.

I liked what they were doing in the beginning but now they just annoy me.

They can eat shit

#27 5 years ago
Quoted from PW79:

F*ck those cows
Still no cabinet mode, hell not even a real full screen portrait mode.
I liked what they were doing in the beginning but now they just annoy me.
They can eat shit

But how do you really feel?

#28 5 years ago
Quoted from PW79:

F*ck those cows
Still no cabinet mode

Indeed.

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#29 5 years ago
Quoted from PW79:

F*ck those cows
Still no cabinet mode, hell not even a real full screen portrait mode.
I liked what they were doing in the beginning but now they just annoy me.
They can eat shit

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#30 5 years ago
Quoted from tilt-master:

But I do find it curious that if there IS in fact another kickstarter, it would be asking for money when some previous contributors had Xbox 360's and were left disappointed.

EXACTLY! I ponied up twenty bucks years ago to kickstart TZ when all I had was an Xbox 360 to play it on. I was a huge supporter of Farsight back in the day but when the new tables never came to my console it gave me a bad taste in my mouth. I never had a way to play any of the new tables until I got an iphone three months ago. After I did I emailed Farsight asking for my free download to transfer to my iphone and no one ever responded. I had purchased about three table since I got my iphone, then I stopped when they emailed me THREE MONTHS AGO saying that the xbox tables would finally be released "very soon." I figured I would wait so I could play them on my TV.

Still Waiting.

So over them, I would not donate money to them again.

#31 5 years ago

and they support the vpin cabinet video layout!!! Well worth it!!!

EDIT: no cab mode yet officially...I think there is a hack method.

#32 5 years ago
Quoted from Firebaall:

No.
I've been a Pinball Arcade kickstarter supporter in the past, but I feel they are established enough to stand on their own feet. It's not ok to ask the fans to subsidize their income/risk any longer.
There's plenty of unlicensed tables they could produce that would not require panhandling.

This would only be their fourth one, right? TZ, ST: TNG, T2 and this new one. They still have 45 tables they didn't ask for money upfront to do. So it's not like they sit on their hands between them. Is one Kickstarter a year really worth fighting about?

Quoted from limelime20:

found this on the internet...
http://companies.findthebest.com/l/20346452/Farsight-Technologies-Inc-in-Big-Bear-Lake-CA
Has $4.5 million in annual revenue....Don't think they need a kickstart..

Well, to be fair, $4.5 million in revenues is not the same as $4.5 million in profit.

#33 5 years ago
Quoted from practicalsteve:

EXACTLY! I ponied up twenty bucks years ago to kickstart TZ when all I had was an Xbox 360 to play it on. I was a huge supporter of Farsight back in the day but when the new tables never came to my console it gave me a bad taste in my mouth. I never had a way to play any of the new tables until I got an iphone three months ago. After I did I emailed Farsight asking for my free download to transfer to my iphone and no one ever responded. I had purchased about three table since I got my iphone, then I stopped when they emailed me THREE MONTHS AGO saying that the xbox tables would finally be released "very soon." I figured I would wait so I could play them on my TV.
Still Waiting.
So over them, I would not donate money to them again.

To be fair, Microsoft's approval/certification process for game updates takes a while. This isn't just limited to pinball arcade. Valve encountered the same issue with their games on the xbox platform--and Valve is a real big heavy-hitter.

#34 5 years ago
Quoted from Aurich:

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This should be the default avatar for every Pinsider.

I have a friend who now has Firepower & Sorcerer. He also has TPA for his 360(had to scour to find the disc). To me, this is not a coincidence. He never had any pin prior to this.

#35 5 years ago
Quoted from CarShark:

Well, to be fair, $4.5 million in revenues is not the same as $4.5 million in profit.

LMFAO.....

Until they are willing to post costs vs. quarterly earnings, we should not be paying licensing fees for them upfront via panhandling. I feel their vacation-esque headquarters might need some new creature comforts.

I'll say it loud and clear....anybody giving these guys money for anything more than a finalized product (without profit sharing) are chumps.

#36 5 years ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:

To be fair, Microsoft's approval/certification process for game updates takes a while. This isn't just limited to pinball arcade. Valve encountered the same issue with their games on the xbox platform--and Valve is a real big heavy-hitter.

I know ultimately it was mostly out of their control, but when it started they kept saying to hang on its coming we promise, and then three months ago announce its coming again really soon. Why ' they just wait until its actually going to happen then announce it! Like when every detail is ironed out and its actually available.

#37 5 years ago
Quoted from rommy:

But how do you really feel?

Imagine Clark Griswald when the kids/wife wanted to ditch the trip AND when Wally World was closed AND when he didn't get a Christmas bonus

#38 5 years ago

This is a good thing. Pinball Arcade is leading the way for a new generation of pinball players. That app has done more for this hobby than many might realize.

#39 5 years ago
Quoted from Jared:

This is a good thing. Pinball Arcade is leading the way for a new generation of pinball players. That app has done more for this hobby than many might realize.

It certainly rekindled my interest a couple years back. Otherwise, I probably wouldn't be here and in the process of restoring my first machine.

#40 5 years ago

I get why people object to an established company running regular Kickstarters as part of their business model.

Having said that, I view it slightly differently. If the game they're promoting is actually Indiana Jones or The Addams Family, and the IP is expensive enough that a) they couldn't afford to produce the game without crowd funding or b) they view the investment as too risky to make without crowd funding, then I'm willing to contribute to the Kickstarter. In other words, I recognize that the market for this product is only so large and am willing to support it in novel ways if it means I get to play tables on my iPad that would otherwise be unavailable.

#41 5 years ago

I love what they are doing for pinball and have bought most of their tables. That being said, making a big deal out of any announcement concerning a title they might be offering soon....I don't know, sounds a bit silly to me. They aren't making "new" games, they are just copying other people's work, though I concede they do it well. I can see someone getting super excited about finding a real Addams Family, but all this fuss over a video version doesn't make a lot of sense to me. And it was a lot more fun when you got two tables every 30 days, now it's one. It isn't the money...I would pay $10 for two, was just fun to get two at once.

#42 5 years ago

I don't have the income or savings to own my own machines yet and location play is virtually dead where I live as there's few machines on location in the city and those that there are aren't always in good repair. (On the other hand, our local league is thriving thanks to monthly league nights and several members having lots of pins in excellent condition!)

But for me, programs like Pinball Arcade are what have re-kindled my latent pinball interests and are helping me to build the instincts and rule-set knowledge I need to survive playing the real thing when I get the chance. There's no way it could ever replace the real thing, but computerized pinball programs serve as a good substitute for the time being until the day comes where I can afford to build my own collection, and even after that day comes the computerized programs will be good for offering a variety so that I don't overplay and get bored of the real machines I have. : B

All that said though... I do find it odd that Farsight is doing a kickstarter considering how well established they are in terms of comptuerized pinball. I suppose once they announce it maybe it'll make sense why they're doing it. My guess is that they either want to grab popular licenses that are expensive, increase the frequency of how often they release new tables which would require more staff, add new features like networked-play which again would require more staff, or some combination of those.

#43 5 years ago

I won't be supporting them via kickstart any time soon. The last two seasons have been disappointing (Gottlieb crap at the end of S2, and going down to 1 table per release for S3). Also, Diner won the user poll on "what game should we do next?", and where is it? It's been months ago. Let alone the games play like absolute ass. The ball is way too fast, and comes off the flipper tips at completely unrealistic angles.

Toss.

Having said that, I'll probably buy S4, just because I can't help myself.

#44 5 years ago

Thanks to Kickstarter for Pinball Arcade T2, my life long dream of having my name put in a video game's credits has come true hehe.

#46 5 years ago
Quoted from tamoore:

and going down to 1 table per release for S3).

I believe that may be due to the fact that the extra tables had already been developed for the dvd releases of the pinball arcade games and did not need much if any more work to port to pc etc.

#47 5 years ago
Quoted from benheck:

Could be Indiana Jones.
From what I've heard a big issue with Adams is Raul Julia's estate.

Interesting, I never heard that, but it is certainly not surprising now-a-days..

#48 5 years ago

My 2 year old grandson is learning skills on TPA on my IPAD Air. When he goes to the real machine, he seems to know exactly what to do. I get a blast watching him play it.

#49 5 years ago

Dunno why you're getting bashed up here. I for one don't care either. They got my money once.

They should make a kickstarter to get a decent programmer in to rewrite their physics engine.

#50 5 years ago
Quoted from horseypin:

Dunno why you're getting bashed up here. I for one don't care either. They got my money once.
They should make a kickstarter to get a decent programmer in to rewrite their physics engine.

He's getting bashed for coming to a thread that is clearly stated in the subject line and trolling it. If you don't care, why click?

They have a half-dozen programmers. They're not Ubisoft. Things move slower. That said, I'm not big on Kickstarting stuff anymore, so I probably won't bite. I think it was TZ where you got 2 codes for $10, which is what I would have paid when it was released anyway, so I didn't mind throwing some cash in. If it's a similar deal here, I might bite.

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