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Pinball ads on craigslist


By sixsixtie

7 years ago



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    #1 7 years ago

    Confirm or deny?

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    #2 7 years ago

    Right on! I would swap the red and orange though.

    #3 7 years ago

    pretty much
    I've gotten a few good CL deals, but lot of crap to sift!

    #4 7 years ago

    it REALLY depends on the area.

    I'm sure if you lived in california, and you looked at CL chicago, you'd be like "why are those half price? could those be legit? might be worth driving out there for the selection"

    If you lived in middle of kansas, and you looked at chicago, you'd be like "Man, what a selection! I see like one pinball a month in my area, but MAN are prices high in chicago!"

    Honestly, I don't search my area. When I'm in the market for a new pin, I do a multi-city search on CL, check 4-6 times a day, I check pynball, I check this market, sometimes wait for a pinball show, mr pin classifieds, I check (another site I don't care to name) that you can sometimes get leads on.. Just have to be patient, know what your willing to pay, work hard to search for what you want.

    Most frustrating thing about CL (which is often true in real life), dealing with idiots, a-holes, profit-hogs and the "slimy" sellers, dealing with people that can't type or spell or really know how to use email, or a computer, or the internet, but give them complete free reign to post as many ads as they want without filters, complete anonymity. It's equivalent to going back 20 years, opening the doors of a newspaper, and going "Hey, anyone that wants to post an ad, hop on a computer and start typing"

    #5 7 years ago

    What about "Ultra Rare...."

    #6 7 years ago

    you forgot to add the small toy pinball machines that show up too often section...

    #7 7 years ago

    Stupid barters are much higher in my area.

    #8 7 years ago

    check this out.i found it today on my local c/l. its funny.
    sfbay.craigslist.org link

    #9 7 years ago

    If pins are selling for "10x more than his machine is worth" then it's not really 10x more than its worth. Further, in that case, what you consider "a fair price" is a ridiculous low ball. These are no longer the days of afm at $2800, theatre of magic at $2500, and demolitionan for $1100. I know you can still find deals like that sometimes but that doesn't reflect their value. It just reflects you getting a good deal. Also, all these price guides that average value over the last 5 years are worthless. Prices have gone up a lot. What they are selling for in the last 3-4 months is the value. I don't find most Craig's list ads to be over priced. In fact, things seem to be selling higher on eBay than here.

    I find most the folks complaining about prices to be the ones that remember the prices from a few years ago and think anyone selling for more is a greedy bastard . Unfortunately, I think this is far from the truth. Supply and demand dictate prices not sellers.

    #10 7 years ago
    Quoted from mrgone:

    check this out.i found it today on my local c/l. its funny.
    sfbay.craigslist.org link

    all i can say is WOW.

    #11 7 years ago
    Quoted from JesseB:

    you forgot to add the small toy pinball machines that show up too often section...

    +1
    damn zazzle!

    #12 7 years ago
    Quoted from markmon:

    I find most the folks complaining about prices to be the ones that remember the prices from a few years ago and think anyone selling for more is a greedy bastard . Unfortunately, I think this is far from the truth. Supply and demand dictate prices not sellers.

    A friend mentioned he feels the supply of available machines is close to being absorbed by the collector market and I agree

    #13 7 years ago
    Quoted from JesseB:

    you forgot to add the small toy pinball machines that show up too often section...

    why do i always seem to click on these. probly cuz prices are so cheap..what a $30 hulk pin! click

    #14 7 years ago

    Every ad, and I mean EVERY ad always says "just serviced/shopped last week". This is usually acompanied with a claim of brand new rubbers and parts. I know some good people might do this to make sure a game is in working order, but how many of the casual owners are sinking money into a service call or parts on a machine they are dumping? Also it seems the term "shop" can mean wiped glass with a rag.

    Of course there is always the wife is making me sell excuse, or the less frequent but oddly common "my kids are afraid of it".

    #15 7 years ago
    Quoted from JesseB:

    A friend mentioned he feels the supply of available machines is close to being absorbed by the collector market and I agree

    This is my worst fear. It's going to become a brutal market, or it's going to turn into a market of bartering instead of selling (I'll trade you my MM for your pinbot, TZ, addams family, and whitewater).

    I always think of some of these collectors though, the ones with 400-1000 machines (most of them tucked away in a barn, warehouse), and then one of them dies and the family sells it off, and suddenly there's a flood of unrealized pins hoarded away.
    (like when they find some car collector with hundreds of priceless gems sitting in a barn somewhere in bumf*ck).

    Yea, that probably won't happen.

    #16 7 years ago

    Yellow section seems way to large. =-(

    #17 7 years ago

    Your yellow is too wide

    #18 7 years ago

    It really is. It should be 1% or less lol.

    #19 7 years ago

    If Orange was more realistic at double what is actually worth or that it will end up being sold for it would take up at least half of the circle.

    #20 7 years ago
    Quoted from Bronzelion:

    Right on! I would swap the red and orange though.

    +1

    #21 7 years ago

    I really dislike jacked-priced pins like this one..

    sandiego.craigslist.org link

    #22 7 years ago
    Quoted from markmon:

    I find most the folks complaining about prices to be the ones that remember the prices from a few years ago and think anyone selling for more is a greedy bastard . Unfortunately, I think this is far from the truth. Supply and demand dictate prices not sellers.

    TBH I only got into the hobby <8months ago. So I can't really say that. But I can say when someone is asking $2600 for a filthy and likely thrashed Pinbot that's a bit steep or over 2gs for an avg electromagnetic game or 5gs for RFM. I mean cmon. That's silly.

    #23 7 years ago

    Electro-Mechanical?

    #24 7 years ago

    How about a graph for ebay? The Orange section would be bloody huge!!

    #25 7 years ago
    Quoted from kwiKimart:

    I really dislike jacked-priced pins like this one..
    sandiego.craigslist.org link

    what do you mean by "jacked-priced"? You surely aren't saying it's overpriced right? PSTE at 1400 in ca isn't that bad. 72 month ave on boston pinball for that title is $1267 and last year's average sale (4 machines) was $1832.

    #26 7 years ago
    Quoted from kwiKimart:

    I really dislike jacked-priced pins like this one..

    I'd buy it for that...

    In the bay area, it would be more like $1800-2200. The guy flipping for that would have bought it for $1200 though!

    Robert

    #27 7 years ago

    I wouldn't pay even $1000 for it. I personally dislike Popeye.

    #28 7 years ago
    Quoted from markmon:

    ... in that case, what you consider "a fair price" is a ridiculous low ball. These are no longer the days of afm at $2800, Theatre of Magic at $2500, and demolitionan for $1100. I know you can still find deals like that sometimes but that doesn't reflect their value. It just reflects you getting a good deal. Also, all these price guides that average value over the last 5 years are worthless.

    I politely disagree on this one. I have bought JM, JP, and TFTC, all for x < $1900 with the average value being $1550. I've seen TFTC on CL for $3000 and JP for $2200 - and I don't mean just in my local CL area.

    What kind of prices do you consider "low baling" ? I have definitely heard about this "low ball" mentality, and so far, I have not disrespected any seller that I have bought from. All three of my transactions have been extremely pleasant, and I would buy from any of the three - all fellow pinsiders - again with confidence knowing those bridges were fully intact. With AFM and TOM - I agree - those days are history. But DM, T2, JD, JM, and various other mid 90's B/W/DE games can ALL be found for reasonable amount of $1000-$1500 - save a few like JP and BSD starting to spike a little more. I sure as heck know I'm not nuts enough to buy a BSD for $2400, but at the same time I know I am not being unreasonable going for $1500-$1600.

    What annoys me is when I think some people put 200+ LEDs in their machine and now it's worth $1000 more. I think someone wipes the playfield down with a damp rag and changes out 5 rubbers and that's a "shopped" job meaning add another $500 to the price tag. I think some people buy pins, keep them for a year and figure "Well gee, the price MUST have gone up by now..." and add $700 more than what they paid for it when the pin not having ANY work or maintenance done to it; thereby, the seller is buying entropy on a machine -___-...I think some people read stories (read there: not FACTS) about how some people think pins are getting more rare and all of a sudden each of their pin's values just increased in their game room by $500 to $2000. I think people drill into their heads and force themselves to believe that pinball machines are getting so rare that the only thing that makes sense to do is automatically try to make themselves believe their pins MUST be more valuable now - even though they've done nothing to support that price increase. These are just a very few examples I care to name off, and if I thought of them I'm sure others have too or have personally witnessed some of them. I KNOW I have (looks at the retailers here in Dayton...AGAIN)...

    I think some people are very realistic with their pricing, and I think others are asking the moon for their junk. AFM, MM, TZ, CV, TAF, TOTAN, and whatever other "crude oil" games there are out there - yes they are priced at high values for a reason(s) - scarcity, S&D, etc. Most titles though I simply just tell myself "The price isn't going above $2000." That's just my personal "ceiling", and with the exceptions of TAF and BSD(machines I'll be willing to spend a lil' more on), I'll keep to it. One thing I have seriously learned in this hobby for all of 1.5 months - patience. Funny correlation: as patience increases so does the amount of money saved. Just something I've noticed ...

    #29 7 years ago

    More people know of it then Mr. Pinball. So I can see having good luck. Honestly, over the years Mr. Pinball has lost TrustRank with Google. So even Mr. Pinball isn't showing up in search engine results like it use to.

    Yet another reason why I started the . Keep an eye on my own rankings, and NOT sell ads. Thats kinda what got them into trouble.

    -Aaron

    #30 7 years ago
    Quoted from kwiKimart:

    I really dislike jacked-priced pins like this one..

    sandiego.craigslist.org link

    in MN the only one I have seen is from a retail shop and he is asking 1995..

    -j

    #31 7 years ago
    Quoted from NPO:

    Funny correlation: as patience increases so does the amount of money saved. Just something I've noticed ..

    Hahah your entire article rings true to me NPO. This section especially does.

    I can't speak for price increasing or decreasing on specific titles, because I too have only been in the market for a couple months.. But here in MN, CL seems to be about 60/40 people asking way to much/good deals. Good deals disappear quick. Even with the people asking too much, I've learned there are a good amount of people who ask for $1000 but will accept $700. Or even less.

    EBAY is always 20-100% higher prices on all titles. I've only ever seen a game go for less than I've seen posted on CL once, maybe twice.

    Just my $.02.

    -j

    #32 7 years ago

    What it really comes down to for "fair market value" is - a machine is worth whatever someone is willing to pay, and if it is listed on a world-wide market like E-Bay, then there is a good chance there is going to be someone willing to pay more for it than you would.

    #33 7 years ago
    Quoted from kwiKimart:

    I wouldn't pay even $1000 for it. I personally dislike Popeye.

    I've never played it, but really have never played a game I hated; I have played some that I didn't get enough to want to play again...didn't find too fun.

    Robert

    #34 7 years ago

    It is Zizzle. And I have a HUO one for sale if anyone is interested. Serious inquiries only.

    #35 7 years ago

    Can someone explain to me all the WTB spam on CL? Is that how CL works? Everyone interested in purchasing machines should put a WTB ad on CL?

    "Looking to buy machines from the 90's. Email me pictures and price. derrrrrp"

    I'm not seeing them as much in the Chicago and Indy areas, but Ohio is outta control. Starting to drive me a little batty.

    #36 7 years ago
    Quoted from jonogo:

    Even with the people asking too much, I've learned there are a good amount of people who ask for $1000 but will accept $700. Or even less.
    EBAY is always 20-100% higher prices on all titles. I've only ever seen a game go for less than I've seen posted on CL once, maybe twice.
    Just my $.02.
    -j

    Hey bud,

    Here's my thoughts on those things. Say you have a pin you want to get $1000 out of. Would you ask $1000 for it - no way - you'd ask $1200. That way when the inevitable tire-kickers come (DEFINITELY ME) and knock your price down to $1000, and you meet with them at $1100, everybody wins. You get MORE than you wanted, and they "get" a great deal. Everyone wins.

    As for ePay, well, it's just that . And even then, I have started to look at tables with a bit more of a scrutinizing eye, and man - some of those pins on ePay - OMgoodness. You got to be kidding me - as stated earlier - the moon for their junk.

    It's like someone once said here when I very first registered here at Pinside: "If you're looking on eBay, you're doing it wrong..."

    Good deals are extremely rare, hence my line about "patience." It sucks to have to wait and wait and wait, but if you do and you know the right people - the deals that come your way are flat-out amazing. I've also noticed good pin deals are kinda like a relationship - you look hard for one and they all allude you. As soon as you stop caring and go about your daily life, BAM!, there it is right in front of you - literally falls in your lap.

    Crazy but true - at least in my experiences, both of which are limited .

    #37 7 years ago
    Quoted from acey99:

    Can someone explain to me all the WTB spam on CL? Is that how CL works? Everyone interested in purchasing machines should put a WTB ad on CL?

    The idea behind these ads is to hopefully get the good deals from perspective sellers before they post have a bunch of buyers contact them and tell them how under-market value they have the machine listed for. In essence, they hoping to the seller all to themselves without the worry of the competition one would get had the ad been listed. That's why most often these ads get flagged for removal pretty quick.

    Really, its to the point now if you list a top 50 pin for fair market rate or under, your going to get blistered with inquiries, at least I'm thinking so. Though it's been a while since I've listed one so I'm just giving an observation here.

    #38 7 years ago
    Quoted from NPO:

    Say you have a pin you want to get $1000 out of. Would you ask $1000 for it - no way - you'd ask $1200.

    Like I always say...if I went to look at a pin from CL that's was actually worth the $1200, I'd pay it.
    They never are, there's always something wrong with them, that knocks money off the price.

    #39 7 years ago
    Quoted from NPO:

    Say you have a pin you want to get $1000 out of. Would you ask $1000 for it - no way - you'd ask $1200.

    I ask what I want for the item, and refuse (so far) to lower it.

    Robert

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