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Pin-Bot - trade/sell value?

By Tanooki

6 years ago


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#1 6 years ago

I don't have much for pictures at this point other than what you can see here which likely isn't too helpful. Maybe it's just stewing annoyance but I've had this table for 2 years now, loved it as a kid, but I have to face facts it's a hard table and fairly vindictive in design as far as I'm concerned the amount of abuse it dishes out. Aside from that random game where I can get a few million or more (never topped 8.?) I can barely crack 1-1.5M on a 5 ball game, rarely 1M off 3 balls. I'm just more angry using it than enjoying it at this rate after not improving with it over that period of time.

When I received it, it was owned by 2 others, both as a home use only table. Has some general age wear where you have a little mylar bubbling on the table, but nothing like wear marks or worn off paint in there. Outside is overall fairly nice, nothing horribly notable, faded, or gouged badly on it other than some surface backbox(right side) outer layer damage but not in the art area and was painted over matching black before I had it) and in the black areas has been hit with minor touch ups. Inside the OEM battery was replaced with a 3AA battery holder instead. Backglass is like a 9/10, nothing cracking or poking through as far as light goes except like very small spot or two. Mechanically sound, nothing gets stuck or has problems, but it has only ever had amateur level cleaning/service, nothing hardcore and no upgrades. The worst damage is that the topper on the back side is cracked up some, but it's otherwise attached and more or less in one piece (not visibly damaged from player side.)

What would I expect to roughly get for something like this either if someone bought it, or what kind of table could I be looking at as a trade option from the 80s or newer? I know I can't expect something awesome like Theater of Magic which I enjoy or anything even far more popular than that (dream would be Williams-Indy which is very expensive.)d\

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#2 6 years ago

I sold mine for $1,800 I owned it 25 years replaced broken plastics.I thought condition was beyond good.

Topper and cabinet solid 9's.

#3 6 years ago

I'd put the value around $1300-$1600, depending on local market and exact condition.

#4 6 years ago
Quoted from Tanooki:

I don't have much for pictures at this point other than what you can see here which likely isn't too helpful. Maybe it's just stewing annoyance but I've had this table for 2 years now, loved it as a kid, but I have to face facts it's a hard table and fairly vindictive in design as far as I'm concerned the amount of abuse it dishes out. Aside from that random game where I can get a few million or more (never topped 8.?) I can barely crack 1-1.5M on a 5 ball game, rarely 1M off 3 balls. I'm just more angry using it than enjoying it at this rate after not improving with it over that period of time.

Have you got the outlane posts closed right down? Makes the game a little more forgiving.

#5 6 years ago

This one is in superb condition. Wish you had a picture of the shooter lane.

Very little wear around chest, lift-up ramp clear with decals, vortex unbroken, cab is solid. This game never abused it seems.

If I had to guess, here in Canada you could expect around 2500-2700. So around 2000$us.

#6 6 years ago

This appears to be above average condition for this title. Could pass for Huo as far as I'm concerned. The cab looks great for what I can see and the playfield looks great. I owned a Huo game and this one looks even better. I would not settle for under 2k. I'd be more inclined to say 2500. Seems high yes but an original in this condition is more rare

#7 6 years ago
Quoted from patrickvc:

'd be more inclined to say 2500. Seems high yes but an original in this condition is more rare

Sure.

#8 6 years ago

She (he?) is a beaut. I feel sorry you need to let it go because of that reason. I do agree Pinbot can be challenging, but at least it does not bore very fast. It sort of challenges you to be a better player. Maybe some tips from a pro? Not that I am one, but I have a few pro's around me who were patient enough to teach me a trick or two. Now at least I can beat most of my friends .

#9 6 years ago
Quoted from solarvalue:

Have you got the outlane posts closed right down? Makes the game a little more forgiving.

Sorry to sound stupid about this, but I don't follow you on closed down. If there's some way I can tweak it without drilling something out to move things about I'm open to suggestion. I really don't mind the ball dropping down the center really, it's the sides that infuriate the crap out of me. At least once or twice every game, it'll pop off one of the slings next to the flipper (either side) and throw it down those outlanes again and again (or fly out of the pop bumper area straight into the left outlane)... infuriating. And it's not my bad luck but my wife, my kid, friends. Not a personal issue.

I'm not bored of it, just fed up getting hosed over and it feeling out of my personal control. When it plays right I really do enjoy it on those random few games.

Back in the 80s pre-DMD this, Black Knight, and especially Space Shuttle were my 3 favorites. So when I had a shot at this I jumped at it. I've taken care of it the best I can, better off than I got it so it's like can I fix it, deal with the fury, or pass it along to someone else and get something as nice in return as I don't want money.

Primarily if it can be fixed, I'd rather not move it along.

Everything here is original to the best of my knowledge, no after market parts. Last owner had a worn out flipper, had the mechanism inside replaced, believe he did both to play it safe. He never cleaned it so I had to hit this with hours of tweaking, getting the vortex to not bang but work, novus'd the hell out of it, replaced a few dead bulbs, replaced the plunger tip and have a spare, and have the original small manilla folding bag with a whole pile of unused spare parts (fuses, bulbs, bolts.) Outside of no manual, it did come with that blue/yellow Pinbot keyfob which I have hanging up elsewhere to keep it safe.

I was going to post some lame big wordy description, but well pictures are well worth a bit more words, around a thousand I think. The coin door area closed, that's not paint loss all around but reflection. The shooter lane isn't worn out or jacked up in any way either. I can by hitting one of the black arrows on the meter there for the plunger pretty consistently hit the vortex as that appears to be the 100k sweet spot on this one.

I added 2 extra of each outlane about that possible tweak/fix I could apply?

Can I tweak this to make it less vindictive? Rather keep this than ditch it. If not, I'd try and maximize what I can get towards something else like Terminator 2 which is within reason maybe, even if I had to save a little (I had to scrape up a lot and sell some high tier video games 2 years ago for this thing.).

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#10 6 years ago

Nice looking game. From your pics, it does look like the outlane posts are down all the way already.

My pinbot is brutal as well. I think it's just the nature of the beast

#11 6 years ago

Adjust the position of the post marked below (same post on both sides). You'll need to take off the plastic covering it and the rubber which goes around it. When you unscrew the post you will notice that the metal plate on the bottom of the playfield which it screws into has three different holes in it. Replace the post in the hole closest to the front of the game to close off the outlane gap.

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#12 6 years ago
Quoted from solarvalue:

Adjust the position of the post marked below (same post on both sides). You'll need to take off the plastic covering it and the rubber which goes around it. When you unscrew the post you will notice that the metal plate on the bottom of the playfield which it screws into has three different holes in it. Replace the post in the hole closest to the front of the game to close off the outlane gap.

I appreciate the description, total amateur here as it's just my second pinball table and only one I currently have. I've pulled stuff like that away from this and even more so from the Gold Ball I used to have so that shouldn't be a problem. I'm curious to see what kind of a change this will make. If it makes it more like a normal game where the ball really needs to find its way there versus just being happy to always fly on in that would make a world of difference.

EDIT: I went ahead and took a lot, unfortunately it was already on that pinhole so that was more or less a dead end. I did disassemble and pull snuggly down and fastened it again, may have cinched a mm off. But I did get to thinking to test something I'm not sure why never occurred to me. The kickers just over the flippers were overly sensitive, barely brushing on them, even a good hard pissed off hit to the table on rare occasion could make one of them go off. I adjusted them ever barely so backwards just a hair to lessen the sensitivity. Now while this did nothing to the gap, it did change the play quite a bit. If a slow ball now grazes to rubber it won't fire it clear across the table into the hole. Yet when it does more than a graze it goes off as normal but it seemed from 2 games I played a little less abusive of the sides too.

Not sure what you all may think of that if it's a fix or a cheat as I'm not trying to dumb it down, but as horrible as it sounds my memory of it in the day seems to line up more, of a table I've seen at the Louisville Pinball Expo too wasn't as hair sensitive as mine, and (take it or leave it) Pinball Arcade in comparison seems to roll by or snap more similarly too and yes I know it's a simulation. Just racked up a 5.X and a high 2.XM score back to back on it though the 5 was before the 2nd fix and after messing with the screws around the 3 holes part. Of those two games only once did it decide to go flying into that speedy death and that was before the 2nd tweak.

#13 6 years ago

Also, I have learned that closing the gap near the outlanes sometimes has an adverse effect. So just for the heck of it, try moving the post upwards. Do it on one lane, play it for a few days and see if it improves.

#14 6 years ago

Another thing you could try is to change the black rubber around the adjustable post to a white one. The white ones are more bouncy and might bounce the ball away from the outlane a bit more.

#15 6 years ago
Quoted from mgpasman:

Also, I have learned that closing the gap near the outlanes sometimes has an adverse effect. So just for the heck of it, try moving the post upwards. Do it on one lane, play it for a few days and see if it improves.

Agreed. For a ball going into the inlane/outline area narrowing the gap (moving the post closer to the lanes) makes nudging the ball upward and out of danger less likely. For the more passive player narrowing the gap decreases the odds of having the ball go into that lane area where the odds are against the player for an inlane return. This is part of what makes pinbot a great leaning machine. Practice preventing the ball from entering the lane area with nudging. You can use the top of the slingshot to bump the ball outward with a well timed nudge even if the ball is not going to hit it naturally. You can also use the rubber on the post between the lanes to bump the ball back up and out. If the ball starts down the outlane slowly after a bit of bouncing back and forth, try to walk the ball back up the lane by jiggling the machine rapidly back and forth. Adjust your tilt bob to a very forgiving setting or remove it entirely while you practice this stuff. As you improve, gradually adjust the tilt bob back to a less forgiving setting. I credit the difficulty of pinbot with forcing me to improve my skills. It had made me a much better all around player. Don't get rid of it because it's hard! Get rid of machines that you find to be easy.

Practice nudging on the mini playfield too. It is perfect for this since it mimics an early flipperless machine. See if you can learn to influence whether the ball goes through the hole, into the inlane or into the shooter lane.

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