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I got rid of almost all our physical media until 4K came out and we got an LG OLED tv.. damn it, now im breaking those out.
I’d really like to get more 16mm; I have a few prints of my favourites and would really love to expand that or someday do 35mm. It’s not terribly better quality than 4K but it’s bigger and brighter!
Quoted from BoJo:Don't see why you would not be allowed since you still have the physical media and playing them on Plex provides the same quality assuming they were ripped without any compression. I recently switched to Plex myself and have been liking it. Have around 850 Bluray and 400 DVD. At first I hated Plex and was coming from Kodi however once I gave it some time I really started to like it on my NVIDIA Shield.
I'm still a Kodi guy, but I'm coming to a point where I need to rebuild the unit and just got a Pi 4 for that purpose, so I'm looking at Plex too. As a previous Kodi developer i'll probably stick with that but Plex is definitely making serious inroads!
Quoted from PanzerFreak:I enjoy physical media and have a ton of DVD's and Blu Ray's. An uncle of mine got me into film, especially foreign films, and after he passed away my aunt gave me his collection of Criterion DVD's, probably 150 + films. I have those proudly being displayed on a shelf and will never get rid of them.
With that being said for 4K and beyond I'm going digital through Apple Movies. I never thought I would say that as I've been a die hard physical media forever guy for years but the quality, convenience, and price of digital movies on Apple Movies won me over. Apples bitrate is highest in the industry and their compression technology is probably the best. Apple is offering a peak bit rate of around 30Mb/s for movies and 40Mb/s for Apple TV + shows while Amazon Prime peaks around 15 Mb/s and about the same with Netflix which is disappointing. Disney + isn't much better, around 15 Mb/s but I've read some reports of it being a bit higher.
I just can't stomach buying the same movies on yet another physical format, I mean how many copies of Back to the Future can one own? lol. Bought it on VHS, then DVD, and finally Blu Ray. I passed on the physical 4K versions and bought them on Apple Movies in 4K for $15 during a sale. Pricing on Apple Movies, especially during sales as mentioned, is really good. I picked up the entire Lord of the Rings and Hobbit extended 4K trilogies for $50 this past Christmas. The 4k Blu Ray's would have been over $200 at the time, even $160 now on sale. I just can't do it.
The video below is a professional comparison between 4K Ultra Blu Ray vs streaming on Apple TV 4K. The results are surprisingly close. The 4K Ultra Blu Ray looks slightly better in some parts but its not very noticeable, not enough personally to sway me. For my setup I have an Apple TV 4K wired to my router with a 500Mbps internet connection and movies (plus Apple TV + shows which run at an even higher bit rate) look amazing.
Totally anecdotal, but I bought the original Star Wars on 4K and realized we didn't have a 4k player (thought the kid's PS4 Pro would handle it. nope), so we streamed over Disney+. Later when I got a proper 4k bluray player, and did a comparison - again, it's anectodal, but I could not tell the difference if you put a gun to my head. Black levels same (we have an LG OLED tv so I'm real sensitive to proper black levels), no crushing, colors popped, no compression issues, colors look same, even when measured with my SpyderX. Pretty damn impressive. I'm surprised to read that the bitrates are so much lower than AppleTv.
Quoted from PanzerFreak:That's really impressive to hear, wow. Sounds like Disney + is using some great compression tech. For under $10 a month it's hard to beat and it's also nice that Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos are supported.
Tell me about it! Between Netflix, Hulu, Criterion Channel, and Amazon (I guess technically that's "Free"-ish), I'm paying about $45 for streaming services ON TOP OF cable (don't get me started). I wanted to cancel Disney+ after the initial free period once Mandalorian was over.. but I'm starting to think it's actually worth it. Damn it! Cable's about to get slashed...
Quoted from PanzerFreak:That's really impressive to hear, wow. Sounds like Disney + is using some great compression tech. For under $10 a month it's hard to beat and it's also nice that Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos are supported.
Just noticed you mentioned the LOTR 4ks - worth it? I think they have a bigger box coming out later this year. I was holding off, but for $50 I will get over buying it twice!
Quoted from PanzerFreak:I think the 4K digital editions of Lord of the Rings and Hobbit extended trilogies are worth the upgrade over the Blu Ray's. The picture does look sharper versus the Blu Ray's but does lose some of the film grain look, almost as if digital noise reduction was applied. The color palette has also changed which I think makes the LOTR films look more vivid and not as washed out in some scenes. The big upgrade I like over the Blu Ray's is the additional of Dolby Vision HDR and Dolby Atmos. I recently setup a Dolby Atmos 5.2.1 setup in my basement and have been very impressed by it. It's also nice to never have to swap disks for the second half of the films and special features. The Lord of the Rings 4K trilogy was $25 on sale from Apple Movies and same with the Hobbit trilogy this past Christmas.
This all tracks with my expectations - the original LOTR trilogy was color timed chemically (aka old-school) and I know from standing there that the effects were only rendered in 1080p since that’s what “cutting edge theaters” could support (PJ wised up later on about that with Hobbit, shooting everything in 48fps, although he missed the resolution revolution). So the changes you note make perfect sense. I wanted to wait until summer for the big ultimatum OMGERRRD LOTR!! box set, but if I can find a good deal I’ll just go ahead now. Hell, I’ve bought these movies (and books!) about 10 times now between the EE and Rankin/Bass versions.
Quoted from hank527:York, PA.
Do it. Hank is good people, and those LDs need a good home.
Quoted from Methos:Anybody collect original 16mm or 35mm prints? I knew a few people who did and that shit was expensive even back in the day. I thought of going into and picking up some trailers, but then realized it wasn't worth it.
Still is. The few meagre prints you can find are pretty pitiful - unless you “know a guy”. I’d pay big money for a Jaws print on 16mm, and more for 35, but it’s still a back-room-deal type scenario.b and really with what you’d pay for a print - unless it was your ultimate grail film, or Cigarette Burns... you’re better off spending the dough on a GINORMOUS TV or projector and an outstanding digital version.
Unless it’s a Terry Gilliam film. He might come to your house and personally murder you.
So does anyone have a recommendation for a 4k player ? I’ve got one that’s “fine” but loading times are getting on my nerves.
I’m also in the market for a new CD player - thinking going Oppo but wanted to see what else is out there
Quoted from PanzerFreak:It's a bummer that Oppo stopped making physical media players last year. Many of their players are now selling for 2-3x their original price on Ebay. I have an Oppp 103-D Blu Ray player and it's been great, wish I had bought the Ultra HD version when it was still available at $550 versus $1k+ on the secondary market.
I'm actually looking at one of their DVD players someone has for sale around here, but as a transport (to a DAC) for playing CDs. The consumer Bluray players have been REALLY disappointing. They take forever to load, and that is my main pet peeve.
Quoted from Betelgeuse:Yes! Andy Sidaris did both Malibu Express and Hard Ticket to Hawaii and they are both great. He has a crazy life story and gave up a lucrative career in sports journalism and invested his fortune in making sleazy action movies. He made about 20 movies with very similar plots and themes, using people from the same pool of actors... Most of them revolve around 2 women with big... guns... bringing down a criminal organization in a tropical location. There are 2 large box sets that have been released that I know of; 'Bullets, Bombs and Babes', and 'Girls, Guns and G-Strings', but just recently they have been coming out individually on blu ray.
And congrats on Deadly Prey! That one is just mind blowing. Deadliest Prey was a bit of a letdown for me, but still worth checking out.
Curious, what are your top Fulci flicks? I like his style and am always on the lookout for some buried treasures.
The Psychic! Non-giallo, but awesome
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If anybody has leads on 16mm or 35mm prints, I'm in the market...
Quoted from swampfire:The main downside of streaming for me is that you’re at the mercy of their contract and schedule. I have the Criterion service, and I always start browsing with the “Leaving This Month” section. I wanted to stream “Strange Days” on New Year’s Eve and it wasn’t available anywhere.
I always buy CDs for music. I like having a physical backup, and I like the way my Onkyo CD player sounds so I use it a lot. I have a wall full of CDs behind my office chair, and my young coworkers get a kick out of that on Zoom calls. I used to hide it, now I embrace it.
And Criterion is EXPENSIVE! The Kurosawa stuff is worth it for sure, but I was kind of hoping they had a deeper catalog. I always find stuff to watch, but I get what you mean. Another thing that drives me crazy is how many places have the same movies to stream.
Quoted from Crash:Basically what happened is 330 million Americans got stuck at home with $1600 of free money from "the government" and all registered for dirt cheap streaming services. Now 2 years later all those new dollars printed out of thin air came home to roost and prices of everything went up 40%, including those same streaming services. Now the Hollywood pedophiles are on strike so higher prices plus less content equals mass numbers of people cutting their subscriptions, as their gas/food/rent all went up the same amount.
I got a good chuckle out of this
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