Nah, it’s not a generation thing. It’s a comprehension thing, because you don’t understand achievements. It’s essentially a goal-based scorings system, but I know some people just love any excuse to use the term “participation award”. It’s funny, because pinball scores are literally a participation award. An infant can flap the flippers and get a score on a pinball machine every single time. Most seasoned players won’t get 5 building multiballs on Godzilla in a single game.

I also find if funny that people think the apron light is an “eye sore”. Like, what, compared to the 300 other inserts, flashers, spotlights, back glass, lcd screen, etc., that dim glowing insider connect box in your peripheral is somehow the “eye sore”?

Point to the place on the doll where Stern hurt you.

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The insider connected aprons are made in the USA too, so you’re not a true patriot if you dislike them.

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Slap some homemade artwork over the damn reader and get over it, move on.
This is such a non-issue, what are we going to try next “petition to remove the coin door”?

What's funny is there was a near-riot when Stern dared to remove one coin slot from the Tron LE coin door. Which is actually a bit less of an eyesore? The real issue is fear of change.

(I know operators need two slots. I'm talking about all the people who were just mad it didn't match their other games.)

Funniest thing in the thread so far.

yet another genius Pinside poll that has 4 possible choices to vote in a "For" or "Against" referendum.

Does that include letting manufacturers make choices?

I’ve been skeptical of almost every change Stern has made, but eventually realized they were right. Metal heads, LEDs, node board re-architecture, lockbar clasps - all smart moves that I didn’t like at first, but quickly got over.

I’ll see if I can find one of my old posts bitching about LED GI. I know I’d be embarrassed now.

you sound like a pretty fart smeller.Enjoy your reader,everyone will never agree on everything.

That’s a Bingo!

Personally, I'm shocked that anyone thinks it's better in the coin door. That to me is the eye-sore. You can see that at a distance and it's inconsistent from game to game. The apron reader is only noticeable when standing over the game and not at all when playing (of course the coin door isnt visible to the player).
The only reason I'd consider putting it in the door is just the ease of not having to remove part of the apron for the initial install when adding them.
Additionally, I really like how it's integrated on Rush and Godzilla with the full art around it. Maybe that's just on LEs though, but I'm a fan of that look.

I agree, it's professional and looks nice. And it's that way on the pros as well.

Ghostbusters is often referred to as one the best looking pins out there.

Compare the aprons, shall we?

Ghostbusters is a mess. Godzilla/Rush look significantly less messy, and more integrated with the art package. We're still in this strange phase of triangles and boxes, but this insider apron redesign is moving away from that. I'm all about it.

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Personally I think the coin door fix is horrible looking. If you truly think the reader is blinding or a distraction -- well first I don't believe you because I haven't seen any threads about lights and flashers from backboxes in your peripheral vision getting people all riled up (God help you if you also play next to another pinball machine, let alone one on each side. Talk about peripheral sensory overload!) -- but if you truly and honestly can't deal with the moderate glow then by all means move it to the coin door. It's convenient and a cheap mod already exists you can 3d print at you local library.

But if your problem with it is aesthetics? The coin door is waaaaaay worse looking. The only way I think it could look worse is by duct taping it to one of the legs. Putting that reader on the coin door looks bad.

Epilepsy warning is a bigger eyesore to me, but we all got used to it.

Oh, man. I was SO anti LED when they hit, it was crazy. Today, the only incandescent lamps still in my games are 89s and 906s because LED flashers really hurt the eyes. Talking to you, Dwight.

Wow, I just now realized that the price card is gone. About time, since the price is on the LCD anyway.

Aren't you outraged?!
You should start a petition thread.

Oh, man, I think you're on to something with the legs! All we need is a WeatherTech® CupQRCamera® XL that fits inside of a Pinball Life PinGulp Beverage Caddy. Problem solved, folks! /s

This:
WeatherTech® CupQRCamera® XL Camera

Plus this:
PinGulp Beverage Caddy Pro

Equals bliss! /s

Yeah, but now I'd need to duct tape my beer to that leg, or something?!! QR placement sure is messing with my Zen, man!!

No, you just need two of those ugly PinGulps: one for your ugly WeatherTech® CupQRCamera® XL and one for your beer.

I’d rather it be on the coin door

On a more serious note, have we figured out why a camera is needed in the first place, other than for Stern to sell kits? Have each machine display its own unique QR code on its LCD panel and then use that code in conjunction with the fact that each player can be logged in to and therefore identified and tracked by an Insider Connected app on their Apple or Android phone. Boom. Done.

I use my phone's camera (inside of the app) to scan the machine, not have the machine use its own camera to scan my phone (makes little sense).

The nice thing about the QR reader is that you can screenshot or print out your code; you don’t have to be logged in. I’m making a laminated card for mine - might even get a tattoo on my wrist.

Ok, a tattoo is going too far!!

Yeah, I carry a phone so that I don't have to tattoo my Christmas card list onto my leg.

Can I just not pay for it and don't install it because I don't care about achievements and scores ?

I just play pinball for fun and complete objectives and modes. I rarely put my initials in my games because it doesnt mean anything. Since I own the games and am basically the only one who plays them of course my name would be all over the place so it's meaningless.

No, just like you can't pay less for removing coin mechs and locks on the door becasue you don't use them.

I think that's what it does actually.

I voted coin door for a couple of reasons. Aesthetically, adding the kit to my existing machine bugged me because the original apron artwork simply wasn’t designed to have a hole cut out of it. On the new machines like Zilla and Rush it looks amazing because the artwork was specifically designed to work around that hole.
My (add-on) StrTh UV kit would have been even more tricky to work around. So for me it was the path of least resistance, and since it was the first machine to get the reader then it just made sense to continue doing the other machine the same way.
I don’t mind it either way, but from a cost perspective I would think that having a door kit would make a great second option, particularly for HUO machines? I don’t really want to pay for an apron that I’m not going to use. Granted, I’ll have the apron to pass on to the next owner. But if I could get the IC kit for less $ without the apron, I’d be cool with that.

I think all companies need to at least listen to feedback from their customers. I personally dislike the QR reader in general being on the apron, since pinball was first engineered the coins went in the front by the coin door or into the coin door itself. I know that the new generation kids will have spines that degenerate and fuse together as a result of being sedentary, but if you cant bend over to scan the QR code on the coin door you cannot expect to play pinball.

"Insufficient user level" so I'm not allowed to participate in the poll? WTF! This is a thing?

Update: Either a setting was changed or there was a glitch in the system, but my vote was accepted after another attempt on the next day. Whew...talk about a first world problem. Carry on...

If they put the QR reader on the coin door, they could sell two versions: blank door and coin mech + QR for ops

Of course no one would notice it on the coin door…

Stern had QR codes on rule cards like Transformers. I wonder how often those still get accessed

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The people for the qr don't understand how it muddies up the apron, they understand and appreciate the use it provides. I get that, but for home use, I still don't understand the need for it. It will never happen, but I do wish it was an add on, not a forced upgrade, going forward on new machines.

Just to chime in as someone who's bought two of the coin door kits. For me it was all about not wanting to lose art work on TMNT and AIQ. The apron looks fine on newer machines with integrated artwork (premium/le moreso than pro, but pros still look fine.) And the light isn't bothersome either. But, losing artwork was a deal breaker for me. The red artwork for retrofit kits really are ugly.