I have them installed on my Tommy machine and Titan silicone everywhere else. I've compared them to Pinball Life and Happ red rubber flipper rings quite a bit and it's very close. PBL traditional red rubber may actually have a little more bounce and play ever so slightly faster than their silicone, but with a waxed playfield it's hard to tell the difference. PerfectPlay seems about equal to Happ red rubber. I'd definitely recommend them if you're thinking of trying them out.

All I've heard is they get just as dirty, last the same amount of time, and cost a lot more. Don't understand it other than getting "bright colors;" not a product for me.

They play almost exactly like the Titan flipper silicone rings. Play great, look good, clean up in two seconds.

Do they clean any faster than normal rubber & Naptha?

I use novus 1 on these. Never had naphtha until recently. Probably not if it literally takes one to two secs.

I've installed them in mine. Seems ball hop is less with these. I think the Super Bands put more spin on the ball or something.

I agree with this. I wrote up a review on them...link below. Short answer, they play more like traditional flipper rubbers IMO to Titan and certainly more than Super Bands. They also clean up easy as Chuck said with a swipe of Novus.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-life-perfectplay%E2%84%A2-silicone-flipper-rubber-free-friday-giveaway?tu=captive_ball#post-2868428

The change in gameplay that silicone gives you is that they are a tad more lively than reg rubber. More bounce. Nothing crazy, but you'll notice it.

5/6 people I talk to about SBs is they prefer the look of them overall. And also, when SBs get dirty, they do play better. But I agree with you, I don't like the feel of SBs at all.

I think you'll like these silicone rings.

I have PerfectPlay on my POTC, SuperBands on my Baywatch, Titan on several other machines at my place, and a couple with standard rubber.

In my opinion, these bounce a little more than standard rubber, and withstand more play than standard rubber without cleaning, but I don't feel they (PerfectPlay or Superbands) compare to Titan. I'm probably going to be moving for Titan on all my machines soon.

In playing games on all types of bands....this is the list of least bounce to most bounce IMO. Most noticeable on dead flipper passes.

Super Bands
Titan Bands
Perfect Play Bands
Traditional rubber

In my observation, there wasn't much difference in the Perfect play and traditional bounce. The games used for the sample were AC/DC and CV.

I've noticed much more bounce with Titan than SuperBands. We all need to play much more pinball for research.

I had all super bands switched to perfect play on all my machines last week. will never go back to superbands. Really impressed with the perfect play.

I agree....Super Bands are the least bounce by far. If I had to put a 1 to 10 range on bounce....with 1 lowest and 10 highest I would go with the below.

Super Bands 3
Titan Bands 7
Perfect Play Bands 8.5
Traditional rubber 9

From what I've seen, I'd say the below on a 'bounce' scale:

No Bands - 1
Traditional Black Rubber - 3.5
Super Bands - 5
Traditional Red Rubber - 5.5
Perfect Play - 6.5
Titan Bands - 8

Really? Talking flippers I suppose. I know the Super Bands posts rubbers I had, somehow they added velocity to it. On my JP, I'd have ball jump completely over the crossover ramp, back towards my flippers. I replaced those with Cliffy Bumper posts, and I haven't had any ball hops from the posts since.

I had red traditional rubbers on AC/DC and CV before starting to experiment with the new options. Perfect Play bands without a doubt on my sample had more bounce than the Titans.

I have only changed flipper rubbers with the options thus far, so I can't speak to posts or other o-rings. Super Bands, because of their grip can put some strange spin on the ball, that I would agree.

What I really want to know is if these will break as quickly at Titan's? What I found with Titan's sling and flipper rubber is they will snap way too soon if you're not on top of rotating them regularly. I guess I'll have to order some and put them to test...

I think they bounce pretty close to the same as the Titans but the purple from PBL is fugly compared to the same from Titan.

Yes the perfect play purple is terrible. it's more of a fuschia, love they way they play but I miss the dark purple of the super bands

I ordered a set for MM and refused to put them on because they are just putrid looking.

A Super Band seller at a show told me "you don't want silicone bands." Neglected to ask them why.

What might they have been referring to, that one just "wouldn't want" silicone?

You don't say.....guy is trying to sell his product.

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I think Super wear the best, but I prefer play of Silicon

I'm still a traditional rubber guy as none of these products have the same bounce. And I really don't care for the dayglow colors. But I only use quality traditional rubbers as some are crap.

Yeah they're pretty much just for color options it seems; Haven't heard any actual benefits.

Like being easy to clean or lasting longer? Yeah, I haven't heard that either.

And some of us like more bounce.

Sorry, I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but I'm actually having an issue finding this out. As I said above Normal rubber cleans very easily, and I keep talking with people that say the silicone doesn't last much longer if at all.

I guess if you're into that sort of thing.

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I can say that I have tried all of the options. The Super Bands, Perfect Play, and Titan all take much longer to get significantly dirty and clean much easier (a couple wipes of Novus 1) vs. traditional rubber. I haven't however had enough time on each of the options to speak to their lastability vs. traditional.

Well another benefit that they have in common with super bands is that they don't wear like traditional rubber, meaning that they do not fray, they just snap when they done. The big benefit there is that they're not going to leave that rubber residue all over your playfield to cleanup which I much prefer.

I wonder where you've been getting your traditional rubbers from.

It's a pl scheme I tell ya!

Ummm, just the usual places, ya know. Of course it's a scheme...sell good product, make money.

It's a good alternative for peeps who want the benefits of super bands but have them play like regular flipper rubber.

I thought it was sell crappy rubbers until everybody is complaining about the mess and then give the option to upgrade to more expensive product that is still not as good as somebody elses traditional rubbers.

Good is subjective.

Agreed.

Reg rubber dry out at some point. Not sure how long that takes, but it will happen.

I haven't replaced a single silicone ring yet and I have had them for the better part of a year on all my games. I have had to rotate one slingshot ring but that's it.

Not sure the normal lifespan of rubber but these seem pretty resilient.

I bought a machine that was shopped out over 15 years ago with quality traditional rubbers and it was stored for some time, but I haven't changed them yet and they are still fine. A lot more than I can say for the cheap rubbers that are already decomposing when they get here before even being installed.

Cool. Thanks for the info. Wasn't really sure what the causes of that dry rot of rubber.

LEDs?

Wrong formula of rubber is all I can guess. Sure is a good way to up sell to more pricy silicone products though isn't it?

One of them. That and the color choices, less dirty (black rubber is horrible IMO), personal preference. All good brother. I honestly don't like the look of white rubber in most situations.

I've never seen a black rubber that looks dirty. Only the crumbly stuff the cheap ones leave on the playfield. My rule of thumb is look at the letters on the rubber. If it says PL on it, throw it away and start over.

Stern uses dog shit black rubber too and it's not PBL to my knowledge. So far I have had a way better experience with silicone than reg rubber rings. I'm sticking with it. Glad to have options.

I needed to dig a little deeper into this modern rubber situation and I found a very enlightening post in another thread. Lately I have been very happy with Marcos rubbers and wondered why they are so much better than some of the other crap that's come my way.

This is only an excerpt from a very long, informative post from a year ago.

This reminds me of a tell-tale sign of fake golf clubs is to smell the rubber grips. If they smell like a cheap road tire factory, then the clubs are probably fake knock-offs because that is a low-grade rubber that most higher-end makers wouldn't use.

I haven't had to buy any in a long time but would always get rubber from PBR and had decent results with it. Do you know what type they are selling these days?

I noticed the same thing. The purple Perfect Play is brownish purple and does not match well with purple color used in most pinball machines. The Titan purple color matches games like MM very well.