Have the following problem with payouts of my carnival queen. The inline scoring formthe different colors on 3 , 4, or 5 inline are correct and payouts as they need to be.
Problem starts with section scoring for the different colors specialy the red , blue and yellow booster scoring.
When scoring fe yellow with stripes two,balls in the section, no payment, scoring three it pays but not enough.
Same applies when scoring the other special sectio score.
What is the difference if scoring in line or section? And where to look at?

Cleaned al the mentioned things , and lot of improvement strange is by checking if all the payouts are correct tried to get the machine on the yellow with stripes option, but not given.
The oprion red with stripes no problem during charging the machine the lights for,booster red already flashes, but the yellow,booster don,t
Can put as much coins in but never get the option yellow booster, where to,look at??

This option works again , R5 was the problem, cleaned and adjusted and bingo.
Normally this bank needs to have steel protector but on this machine missing so easily can be misadjusted while working on the machine.

Still working on this problem.
The inline scoring and payouts are ok no problem, may i conclude that the search disc and wipers are ok ???
The section scoring still have problems, in a win situation no payoffs, but if i push the R button a few times it starts to pay off. The sequence unit and winner unit are moving , also the search disks is moving, but ends up at start position.
Seems to e me that the search unit is the problem??
Blue scoring works
Booster red and yellow same problem, need to,cycle with the R button to get the credits

section scoring is indeed better with 4+ ball section. What conclusion can we get from that??

Section 4plus is not always good but better than 3, but always pushing button R manytimes and when lucky it starts to give the credits.
Cleaned the winner disk rivets and all the others , they shining like gold. Did the check on 21 with ohm meter and are ok.
Checkd the switches 19 a b c from search index.
Looked in the cabinet while machine pays off a line score and can see the the search index retracts during pay off.
When i do the same with a section score see it retracts only a second, if i keep it retrackting with the help of screwdrewer it starts to pay off.

Situation on this moment.
All line scores 100%
Sectionscores on green only now and then if lucky and pressing r buttn many times
Sectionscore on red and yellow all te same.
Blue soring now and then
Booster yellow and red difficult on 3 plus but better on 4 and 5plus.

Search disc checked rivets and the all have power enough to push against the plate and also it finds the combination while scoring in line.
Still have the feeling that the problem must be in this area, what about the position of the magic screen? And what can i do to check if that one is working fine.
Reason you dont need this screen for line scoring and it works.
Problem starts as soon as this screen is moving and you make winning combination
Your thoughts please

It must be the search unit because it also,starts with line payouts not given.
The search ondex coil only retracks a second and hold the wipers also a secon. clearly see the contocts of the wipers are too far and alread more thean 2/3 of the rivets.
Loosing the bolts does not change anything because fixed holes and disk and wipers are fixed on one rod.
Start postion of the search unit wipers are ok en contacts exact in the middle

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By doing this the search index coil does not lock, it moves up and down very quick.
Measure the coil at approx 15 ohm

Sorry yes right misunderstanding, iwas in the understanding the search disk.
Search index yes can be moved forwards, but don,t understand the effect by doing this

Little,bit desperate
Situation pay outs line scores no problem everything works as need to be. Changed position of search index coil a bit , but no change. Checked also al, the other mention things
But problem stays, as soon as there is a winpostion in a section no payoff and search index trips,only a second and does not stop the wipers.
It stays retrackted and stop the wipers when winning line score.
What else can be checked, must be a little thing because some times it pays off section score if pushing the R button long enough

First yes i have volt meter

Did the test as per post 13, and.can confirm that te sequens unit stepped.

Second part of your reply
Did everything as you noted but in no,any case the search index coil was activated

Best thing i can do now is to,disassemble the switch stack 16 a and b.
Visual nothing wrong, so need to examine further in detail

Albert

Will,do over the weekend and let you know, but iam quit confindence that we are almost there
Albert

Did the,different tests but everytimes i get different readings,
Then i started to,disassembling complete stack switches 19 a en b, cleaned them adjusted them and place back with new solders, see pictures
Problem remain and still the same payouts on line score but no payout section score.
The wipers behind the magic screen do they give the signal for line or section????
Also noted that by section scoring and push the r button the sequens unit tries to,step but the reset coil of this unit is energized as well by going up and down

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Sorry misunderstanding due,too language problem,
Different readings i mean sometimes 50v and if i do it again same situation no reading.
Will send complete,report of what i did and detailed situation as is

Serialnumber of the machine is 2047
There was no drop in voltage it was the full 50 v and when repeating the test it was zero.
Did all the test again but no any conclusion out of the result.
Started to approach it from another side , because everything works fine as long as you play for line scoring, but as soon as the magic screen been moved and start scoring sections or the others problem with payouts started and get rare results.
Examine then big magicscreen unit and found the big pertinax plate was bend in such a way that when screen moves to the left with abcde the wipers came loose from contacts , because of that bending.. In the reset position most of the wipers made good kontakt.
Simulated a section score and pushed the R button no payout. Then pushed R button again and same time pushed the big pertinax plate in an other position, machine started to,pay out.
Because of this bending plate a lot of blades do no touch the contact, als the blades cannot be bend to power them,because by doong that it missed the rivet.
Almost sure this is the problem for all the problems, next step how to,solve

Getting the start position is not the problem the big contactdisk is clearly marked and also a blade of the wiperdisk is marked as well..
On the carnival queen the MSD is different as the picture. The blades are on the outside dia of the wiperdisk and the contacts of the big contactplate are also very close to teh outside of the square..
Wiper disk can easily be put in the correct start position, but the blades of the wiperdisk do not contact al the point on the square
Two problems here
The big square disk is bended on the corners, because of ?? Heat , age etc
Some of the blades from the wiper disk been repaired means broken ones are soldered, the one how did it did a bad job here. The repaired ones are very difficult to,bend so,that they poke up more to,the disk.
I did the best possible and on one of the corners from the contact disk tried to bend it a little in the right position by ti rape it from a fixed point.
All the different payouts are correct on this moment , but for me a temporarily solution.
The best is of course to,replace complete unit, but hel of a job due to,all the wires.
Other solution would be to replace complete wiperdisk with good original blades .
At least the problem is,solved for this moment and thanks for all the help and advices

Yes exact that is the correct one. You can see the bad solderjob and a broken blade

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Already emailed Joe , he helped me out few times more and is always very helpfull and responsive.
On this moment the machine runs and payouts are ok, but want to replace the wiper.
Thanks

Lucky me, Joe Shope have a new one Nos available and already on the mail to me .
Cann,t wait to install

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Sorry zie nu pas je vraag. Ja heb nog steeds bingos