such a great artist!!!
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Quoted from CrazyLevi:Man they are really gettin' the band back together!
I hear Wayne Neyens is still alive - and looking spry!
new is great, but dont knock on some of the greatest of all time.
A long break and a desire to leave a mark beyond vacation america as your last pinball art could be the driving force for great things!
Quoted from CrazyLevi:In 2018 nobody can make an 80s style
Game for 80s style prices and make money. That’s not how it works. What’s saving money? A couple plastic ramps? Think about all the coils in TNA’s drop target mech and tell me it’s cheaper than a plastic ramp.
It’s not.
It does not need to be done for 80s style prices. 90s or hell even 2000s style prices would be fine at this point.
I call BS that a company cant make a street level game with alphanumeric displays (or LCD that just does scores) and do it all for cheaper.
All the companies keep talking about the manufacturing being the hard part. All companies keep talking about the additional staff needed for development due to needed experts in so many areas with modern games.
Make a real street level game with a good design, great art, simple to assemble (p-roc or node boards) and you will cut down on # of parts to design and assemble, development time, and overall complexity.
Sure TNA is not cheaper, but TNA is a completely modern game on the platform of a street level.
People love the classic Bally and Sterns from the 80s. It can be done for under 4500 by someone that wants to. Art and design sell, so do those well and it will sell great.
Quoted from SunKing:Congrats to DeepRoot for picking up - IMHO - the absolute best pinball artist of all time!!
...almost makes me want to forgive them for hiring jpop. Almost.
still amazes me that this company does not just can Jpop!
What is the possible reason for keeping him on? I see zero benefit. He obviously needs lots of babysetting, carries a huge liability from people still not willing to support the company due to the affiliation, he is a mediocre designer in the grand scheme of things, and frankly he is a dick.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Just saying all this doesn't make it so.
Perhaps you should start a new pinball company and churn out a bunch of 80s style games for $4500. We need more pinball companies!
I'd advise you stay away from the words "street level" in your marketing though, considering how badly Gottlieb failed with the concept in the early 90s.
I am not a company and no interest.
Just saying it cant be done does not make it so either mr levi
Quoted from CrazyLevi:The burden of proof is always on the imaginary BOM experts who claim to know what producing a pinball machine costs mr hilton
Mafia is basically a large Zizzle and they want $8,000 for it.
that is Mr Snow to you
Quoted from CrazyLevi:The burden of proof is always on the imaginary BOM experts who claim to know what producing a pinball machine costs mr hilton
Mafia is basically a large Zizzle and they want $8,000 for it.
even simple math says that a full cab with paint = 1k
full board set = 1k
populated pf w 2 flippers, a few pops, a few spinners, a 4 bank of drops, a bunch of standups = 1.5 k
various crap I am forgetting = $500
4k for a machine
A real company tosses in scale of production and bring down the cost a bunch.
Work it form the inverse direction, YES a simple classic game is way simpler to build than a Stern Pro. If Stern is killing it will current modern games selling at 5500 then they can surely shave 1k from BOM making a Seawitch and sell a tone of them at $4500. I am amazed they are not doing it TBT. Call it the classic model and offer 1 er year of all their best titles.
Quoted from Lermods:You are missing a lot of costs here. Employee salaries and benefits, insurance, rent, utilities, machinery, permits, taxes, etc. And, of course, there needs to be some profit built in so they can invest in the business.
Stern is not a good example as they likely have very large economies of scale.
that is the whole point. Even using simple math it is easy to see how someone that is an actual pinball manufacturer can make a simple game (or reproduce a classic) with very little effort for much cheaper than current pro pricing.
Take a star gazer as a quick and dirty. Art is done so just minimal cost/effort for all that.
2 flippers, 3 pops, 3 3-banks, 3 spinners, 9 stand ups, and a through are the major parts. This can all be done for $1500 retail in parts on the pf.
modernize it with a new board set and simplified wiring and lighting and your assembly becomes minimal. No layers of ramps or extra stuff to deal with cuts lots of actual assembly time and people. most expensive part is the 3 bank drops for $150 retail.
cabinet art is 2 color paint and will take less effort
re-program code for the new board set with some junior staff and hell you could even spend a little time refining it to make things slightly different.
Manufacturing scale of course cuts cost down majorly for all these things. If stern can design and build brand new modern Pros with all new assets and a full team of 10+ design people per game, then remaking a classic is going to be less. All simple math, but it also seems easy to put together in my opinion.
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