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Paul Faris joins the deeproot team.


By DennisNordman

1 year ago



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    #51 1 year ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Just saying all this doesn't make it so.
    Perhaps you should start a new pinball company and churn out a bunch of 80s style games for $4500. We need more pinball companies!
    I'd advise you stay away from the words "street level" in your marketing though, considering how badly Gottlieb failed with the concept in the early 90s.

    I am not a company and no interest.

    Just saying it cant be done does not make it so either mr levi

    #52 1 year ago
    Quoted from Whysnow:

    I am not a company and no interest.
    Just saying it cant be done does not make it so either mr levi

    The burden of proof is always on the imaginary BOM experts who claim to know what producing a pinball machine costs mr hilton

    Mafia is basically a large Zizzle and they want $8,000 for it.

    #53 1 year ago

    BOM isn't even the real "cost" of the machine. Look at the money deeproot is spending now on this big staff. For how many months/years before their actual games will come out. That has to be made back somewhere.

    And profit of course.

    Not sure why pinball companies aren't allowed to profit from their work.

    #54 1 year ago
    Quoted from frolic:

    Not sure why pinball companies aren't allowed to profit from their work.

    Who said they aren't?

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    #55 1 year ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    The burden of proof is always on the imaginary BOM experts who claim to know what producing a pinball machine costs mr hilton
    Mafia is basically a large Zizzle and they want $8,000 for it.

    that is Mr Snow to you

    #57 1 year ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    I'd advise you stay away from the words "street level" in your marketing though, considering how badly Gottlieb failed with the concept in the early 90s.

    I think it's worth noting that part of Premier's problem with their street level series was the pricing to operators. The distributors were not obligated to offer the street level games cheaper, and many either kept the price the same as the full-featured games were or only gave slight discounts. So, when operators were evaluating new games, and Diner and Silver Slugger were about the same price... well, the choice was obvious. That wouldn't happen today (thanks to the Internet everyone knows the MSRP for all pins), but I have no idea if there's a sizeable market today for stripped-down, stripped-price pins that are operator-ready (versus home models like The Pin).

    #58 1 year ago
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    #59 1 year ago
    Quoted from J85M:

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    God I love Clint Eastwood.

    My girlfriend hates him. So does my mom. It's a guy thing!?

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    #60 1 year ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    The burden of proof is always on the imaginary BOM experts who claim to know what producing a pinball machine costs mr hilton
    Mafia is basically a large Zizzle and they want $8,000 for it.

    even simple math says that a full cab with paint = 1k
    full board set = 1k
    populated pf w 2 flippers, a few pops, a few spinners, a 4 bank of drops, a bunch of standups = 1.5 k
    various crap I am forgetting = $500

    4k for a machine

    A real company tosses in scale of production and bring down the cost a bunch.

    Work it form the inverse direction, YES a simple classic game is way simpler to build than a Stern Pro. If Stern is killing it will current modern games selling at 5500 then they can surely shave 1k from BOM making a Seawitch and sell a tone of them at $4500. I am amazed they are not doing it TBT. Call it the classic model and offer 1 er year of all their best titles.

    #61 1 year ago
    Quoted from dannunz:

    Here was his amazing poster art and key chain this year.

    Are the keychains still available??

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    #62 1 year ago

    I wouldn't care if it's street level or not, but if they insist on doing games about antique rock bands or movies or toning them down to be family friendly with cheesy artwork, then they will be no different than what else is out there now. I'm hoping they have a different plan than that.

    #63 1 year ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    I wouldn't care if it's street level or not, but if they insist on doing games about antique rock bands or movies or toning them down to be family friendly with cheesy artwork, then they will be no different than what else is out there now. I'm hoping they have a different plan than that.

    The "family-friendly" rant is your new material?! THIS is what we waited 5 years for?

    Might be time to hang it up.

    #64 1 year ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    God I love Clint Eastwood.
    My girlfriend hates him. So does my mom. It's a guy thing!?

    Well you deserved an Eastwood gif for that one Levi

    #65 1 year ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Might be time to hang it up.

    Might be time for you to hang it up if you don't care for anything more cutting edge or creative than that.

    #66 1 year ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    Might be time for you to hang it up if you don't care for anything more cutting edge or creative than that.

    I was gonna say the same thing about "antique rock bands" and "games need more tits."

    Surely you have more to offer?

    #67 1 year ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    I was gonna say the same thing about "antique rock bands" and "games need more tits."
    Surely you have more to offer?

    Just stick with the games you feel safe bringing home to your mother.

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    #68 1 year ago

    Odin V Levi. West coast v East coast. surfer supreme yelp maybe retired dude v weird energy drink spokesman guy

    thats the dream theme.

    #69 1 year ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    Odin V Levi. West coast v East coast. surfer supreme yelp maybe retired dude v weird energy drink spokesman guy
    thats the dream theme.

    My flight back from Germany, where I saw many antique rock bands and engaged in many family unfriendly
    Activities...

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    #70 1 year ago
    Quoted from Whysnow:

    even simple math says that a full cab with paint = 1k
    full board set = 1k
    populated pf w 2 flippers, a few pops, a few spinners, a 4 bank of drops, a bunch of standups = 1.5 k
    various crap I am forgetting = $500
    4k for a machine
    A real company tosses in scale of production and bring down the cost a bunch.
    Work it form the inverse direction, YES a simple classic game is way simpler to build than a Stern Pro. If Stern is killing it will current modern games selling at 5500 then they can surely shave 1k from BOM making a Seawitch and sell a tone of them at $4500. I am amazed they are not doing it TBT. Call it the classic model and offer 1 er year of all their best titles.

    You are missing a lot of costs here. Employee salaries and benefits, insurance, rent, utilities, machinery, permits, taxes, etc. And, of course, there needs to be some profit built in so they can invest in the business.

    Stern is not a good example as they likely have very large economies of scale.

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    #71 1 year ago
    Quoted from Lermods:

    You are missing a lot of costs here. Employee salaries and benefits, insurance, rent, utilities, machinery, permits, taxes, etc. And, of course, there needs to be some profit built in so they can invest in the business.
    Stern is not a good example as they likely have very large economies of scale.

    that is the whole point. Even using simple math it is easy to see how someone that is an actual pinball manufacturer can make a simple game (or reproduce a classic) with very little effort for much cheaper than current pro pricing.

    Take a star gazer as a quick and dirty. Art is done so just minimal cost/effort for all that.
    2 flippers, 3 pops, 3 3-banks, 3 spinners, 9 stand ups, and a through are the major parts. This can all be done for $1500 retail in parts on the pf.
    modernize it with a new board set and simplified wiring and lighting and your assembly becomes minimal. No layers of ramps or extra stuff to deal with cuts lots of actual assembly time and people. most expensive part is the 3 bank drops for $150 retail.

    cabinet art is 2 color paint and will take less effort

    re-program code for the new board set with some junior staff and hell you could even spend a little time refining it to make things slightly different.

    Manufacturing scale of course cuts cost down majorly for all these things. If stern can design and build brand new modern Pros with all new assets and a full team of 10+ design people per game, then remaking a classic is going to be less. All simple math, but it also seems easy to put together in my opinion.

    #72 1 year ago
    Quoted from Whysnow:

    Take a star gazer as a quick and dirty. Art is done so just minimal cost/effort for all that.
    2 flippers, 3 pops, 3 3-banks, 3 spinners, 9 stand ups, and a through are the major parts. This can all be done for $1500 retail in parts on the pf.

    Isn't that more than deadpool has?

    #73 1 year ago
    Quoted from Whysnow:

    that is the whole point. Even using simple math it is easy to see how someone that is an actual pinball manufacturer can make a simple game (or reproduce a classic) with very little effort for much cheaper than current pro pricing.
    Take a star gazer as a quick and dirty. Art is done so just minimal cost/effort for all that.
    2 flippers, 3 pops, 3 3-banks, 3 spinners, 9 stand ups, and a through are the major parts. This can all be done for $1500 retail in parts on the pf.
    modernize it with a new board set and simplified wiring and lighting and your assembly becomes minimal. No layers of ramps or extra stuff to deal with cuts lots of actual assembly time and people. most expensive part is the 3 bank drops for $150 retail.
    cabinet art is 2 color paint and will take less effort
    re-program code for the new board set with some junior staff and hell you could even spend a little time refining it to make things slightly different.
    Manufacturing scale of course cuts cost down majorly for all these things. If stern can design and build brand new modern Pros with all new assets and a full team of 10+ design people per game, then remaking a classic is going to be less. All simple math, but it also seems easy to put together in my opinion.

    It does seem so simple! Clearly Stern are morons for not doing this and leaving all that free money on the street! What's wrong with these guys?

    #74 1 year ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Isn't that more than deadpool has?

    sad but... yes I believe so

    #75 1 year ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Think about all the coils in TNA’s drop target mech and tell me it’s cheaper than a plastic ramp.

    Coilgument!

    #76 1 year ago

    At the risk of getting back on topic...

    Dennis can you share whether or not your original theme machine is on track for a reveal next year during the days of deeproot? Is that the hope/intent?

    #77 1 year ago

    Yea. Can’t wait to see the first game actually for sale.

    #78 1 year ago
    Quoted from mrbillishere:

    Dennis can you share whether or not your original theme machine is on track for a reveal next year during the days of deeproot?

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    #79 1 year ago

    Anyone know what Paul's been up to? Been a long break, and a really long time since his most lauded titles.

    #80 1 year ago
    Quoted from mrbillishere:

    At the risk of getting back on topic...

    Dennis can you share whether or not your original theme machine is on track for a reveal next year during the days of deeproot? Is that the hope/intent?

    Nope, can't share.

    #81 1 year ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Man they are really gettin' the band back together!
    I hear Wayne Neyens is still alive - and looking spry!

    Wayne may be 100 but he has more hair than you! love you Levi, it's all in good fun.

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    #82 1 year ago
    Quoted from rubberducks:

    Anyone know what Paul's been up to? Been a long break, and a really long time since his most lauded titles.

    He did our poster this year.

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