Great post Bill and thx for posting it.

The people that are affected by this realize the only way it gets resolved in OUR favor is if there is NO bankruptcy filing. If it ultimately comes to that then so be it but you and some others have already recouped significant sums of money and i'd like the rest of folks to be made whole as well.

I am personally patiently waiting in hopes that others that need it more can get repaid. I take some responsibility for my own actions.

Do we have the ability to file suit and force him into bankruptcy today? Absolutely. Who does that help get repaid while the guy is actively making payments. That would be stupid and foolish!

I get why the mob would like to see nothing more than a full blown take down and have the guy thrown in jail. It makes for great drama and sport.

Just so we ALL know, and yes it will be repeated over and over again by the mob, don't EVER buy pinball machines from Jonathan and ASOA!

For the record, the many pinball machines i received from Jonathan came from no ONE particular distributor and it's totally irrelevant for that matter.

Put a sticky on the front page as a PSA if you like.

It does if you have no personal assets to attach too, asset protected, and your business is the only income generator with assets that are leased.

While someone is currently making payments and has a plan to do so you don't want to squash that redemption effort.

Speculate all you want, the facts are the facts here. And you know what they say about "opinions".

A lawsuit is always an option and if it happens it will come from me and i'll be sure to update all of you with the gory drama details. Lol.

As someone that represents MANY small businesses, when you have to get to that point you have already lost and the lawyers win.

Anyone want to start a GoFundme page for litigation expenses to go after Jonathan? I didn't think so.

So far removed from the "TBL fiasco". And last time i checked they are in the process of making everyone whole and building games when all was thought to be lost. So that would be a terrible analogy.

Yes i was in on that game too but got a refund when "Phil gate" happened. I'm just happy for everybody that is finally get taken care of YEARS LATER.

Bill, Brian, Jeb, myself and others know the VERY LONG and full blown story, where we have been and where we are today. Representations and promises made and then NOT kept by Jonathan. I wish i had a dollar for all of the times we discussed litigation, collection attorney's, etc. etc. And now here we are.

I had purchased at least 6 games from him over the last few years, that came from various distributors, and i know plenty of others that received games from him successfully for a long time. Then the wheels began to fall off in late 2019 and early 2020 and Covid provided a dagger to the amusement business amongst many other businesses worldwide. That's no secret.

He got himself in bind and the business went to shit.

A fraudulent POS like SkitB simply comes in and then disappears. A lawsuit is filed, time and money is wasted unless it just simply makes you feel better.

As for "wanting scammers removed from the scene" well he is already REMOVED permanently from the "pinball scene" and is trying to rebuild his amusement operations post Covid.

Will he come through and redeem himself? He has already done so with some people. That's a FACT.

I'm his biggest CREDITOR. Is it reasonable to believe, i know it's hard for some people, that i could possibly have considered ALL of my options over the past year?

Is it possible that i still retain ALL of my potential remedies?

Is it possible that a healthier business that is recovering post Covid has more to go get? Dutch and TBL.

So when all of you judge and criticize, NONE of you are sitting in my seat or the seat of anyone else that is owed money and how it happened or why.

As we have had DOZENS of conversations over the past year between creditors, each and every one has the right to choose his own path.

Threats to his personal well being, his family, his business etc. is simply NOT gonna get it done and nor should it be acceptable.

You think the people that are out money are just plain stupid? That's ok, like i said, i look in the mirror every day and take responsibility for my own actions and ultimately will respond accordingly on MY TERMS and what is best for MYSELF!

Thus, i choose also to NOT partake in this lynch mob cancel culture world that we live in today. Threads like these, once everyone has already said their peace does NOTHING but contribute to further anger, hate and division within the community. So there you go.

Hmmm, here's a thought, he was an "authorized distributor" for JJP.

Maybe i should include JJP in on any lawsuit for POTC and WOZ?

Once again, just rampant nonsense but thanks for the advice. I've bought MANY games over the past decade and I always come out on the plus side. One way or the other, this time will be no different.

But you can root for my failure, it's ok. lol

Either way, it won't affect my enjoyment of pinball!

The judge, jury and executioner.

Wow.

I’ll leave to all of you legal scholars to figure all this out for us

Send me a pm when you do. Done wasting my time here

If they are judgment proof fraud doesn’t help anybody receive a dime! Does that penetrate yet?

And then you have to actually prove fraud. How many thousands of dollars in legal fees are you willing to pony up for us.

As an attorney, I know it’s shocking to many, but I have a lot of experience of dealing with small business owners over the past 27 years.

Sometimes good people get into a bind and do regrettable things. Sometimes bad people get away with doing terrible things because there is simply no recourse against them.

For the man to survive and thrive benefits everybody despite the fact that some here relish a good lynching without all the FACTS

Now, as an attorney, and once again, when the attorney’s get involved in this sort of matter we ALL lose.

I believe I gave that same advice here years ago with Jpop?

Was Jpop committing fraud in a Ponzi kind of way? Did anyone ever prove it or recover damages?

How much money was spent on legal fees? If it makes you feel better to extract a pound of flesh in the moment of rage I promise you it doesn’t feel so great years later and thousands of dollars of legal fees later.

This shit does happen. ALL THE TIME! Lol

Unless you are the IRS or the state collecting alimony or child support, payroll taxes etc. Creditors aren’t getting anything out of bankruptcy. Period

IRAs, 401ks, annuities, cash value life insurance etc are protected from creditors

And, Florida is a favorable “charging order” state. Like Texas, it’s extremely difficult to pierce the LLC veil

All you can get is what’s called a “charging order” against the owners internet. ZERO collection attorneys in Texas and Florida would ever even bother!!!

I have some great collection attorneys to deploy in my area. I wouldn’t want them coming after me. BUT, if I had nothing it would be a waste of time and money

Who is everyone else? The people who have already received payments? His wife and children?

For the sake of those people. Absolutely I hope he’s successful and not a failure like many of you root for

Like I said, I’ll patiently await what I’ll get and I’m happy others are receiving reimbursement now

If I never get a dime, then so be it. I’m not losing any sleep over it

That said, I expect to be made whole.

Woah woah now, you do NOT have the facts my friend

Harder to prove in Jpops case? Are you kidding me?

Breach of contract, promissory estoppel? Sure, but fraud with an intent to deceive at the same time he’s paying people back

Yeah I don’t think so. Are you not listening? I am the biggest creditor whom you claim he’s defrauded and yet I accepted his repayment agreement and decided NOT to pursue other options.

Why is that do you wonder?

And there is ZERO chance he’s going to jail and more than Jpop ever was!

Let me further clarify this point, the DOJ won’t take any matter seriously unless you do.

It might end up with a trifecta of all of the above down the road but the reality is just that

Flat out wrong. You keep repeating the same poor argument again and again

Creditors haven’t even filed suit against the guy and you expect the DOJ to show up on his doorstep for some nominal white collar so called crime that can’t be proven?

Look I’m sorry you don’t get it and can’t comprehend why everyone has chosen this path with Jonathan

Wrong again! Listen up one more time closely.

Yes. I can sue him in a civil suit

Yes. I can seek to have criminal charges brought against him

Yes. I understand ALL of the remedies I have to deploy. And maintain all of those

IF you have NOTHING to get. As in ZERO then a civil suit or criminal case doesn’t matter. I’m not interested in a feel good ass kicking right now just for the sake of it

You have to understand that you can guarantee you will get NOTHING by putting someone in jail and out of business

Does that finally make sense?

#1. As I’ve stated before and will do so again. He is DONE with the pinball community and can’t harm any of you anymore. And he hasn’t participated over the past year and is in the process of making all whole.

But I get your point.

#2. Maybe I’m jaded over so many of the scumbags I’ve seen in my career that simply get away with bad things WITHOUT REMORSE and that is just not the case her given everything that was considered

#3. I’m one of the creditors who has the standing to bring a cause of action against him, along with others here, not any of the rest of you

I have one ex client. Guy was an absolute piece of work on the extreme end of the spectrum. Most of my clients are great. It’s them usually getting screwed by a builder or bad business partner

Had 5 or 6 cases going against his LLCs. Oil & gas oil field services. Just didn’t care and had no shame.

Also had a few criminal cases against him for assault, child support, etc etc.

He took a few hits from one collection attorney personally because the LLC failed to pay employees overtime and a very good collection attorney got a piece of him

At the end of the day, he did have money, a lot of it, and kept most all of it. Even got away with stiffing his civil defense attorney for about $100k. My friend

Not that easy fellas. Just saying. And I’ve got all kinds of great stories MUCH better than this one I promise you

Best advice, do your due diligence and don’t get caught up in bad deals. However, sometimes life just throws you a curveball and you deal with it and learn from it

Lol. Could seriously write a book about this one but no one would believe it

The only real justice anyone gets in life is by avoiding the justice system altogether. That I can promise you.

That same defense attorney and his firm made a million dollars in legal fees over a 2 and a 1/2 year period before that on a Will
Contest case

Husband died with kids from a prior marriage. They were married 30 years with kids of their own

I got the widow as a client after the fact. Poorly written will and husband had early onset dementia. $20 million dollar estate

First offer was $5 million to the defense to settle. Fought it out for 30 months and settled for......yep, $5 million two days before trial. My guys made $1 mill in fees and they did a great job

So many stories, so many cases and so many problems avoided, which is my job to keep people out of trouble and protect their assets.

What’s the common denominator? The lawyers always win. And even when you win, you lose. You lose time, emotion, money etc

This deal? There is a potential for a positive outcome without have to involve the lawyers. Yeah that’s a really good thing!

Lol. Yeah it’s all good

As frustrating as it might be for people that been down this road for the past year I know that a lot people’s hearts are in the right place and just want to help out the situation and I appreciate that

I like JJ but had to quit using him when they jacked up the price on BM66 and couldn’t get one from them because of selling multiples to flippers like Kaneda

He hit the lotto? Got a loan from his parents?

Who the F cares?

People are getting paid back.

To be clear, 95% of his business is in the ROUTE side, NOT sales

So since Florida has been open he is getting back on his feet again.

I’m sure that makes NO sense to people that live outside Florida and Texas but yes it’s real!!!!

Good for you Kim. I hope you get him. Maybe one of these days John will face the music. I feel karma will be a bitch

But I’m one of those guys that would rather keep his money and not keep throwing good money after bad

GL

I love JJ and I know he’s cleaned out some of that crap now

But I have two people now that with the amount of games I buy I know I can at least get one

Highly recommend Melissa and Cointaker

And Classic Game rooms out of Georgia is great too!!!

Somebody said Alaska was warmer than we had it the past two days

Back to a balmy 45 degrees with more snow tonight!

Yeah Jpop did a number on Cointaker. So did Heighway.

I received 6 pins I believe and 4 were paid for and undelivered.

Two JJP games while a distributor and TBL and then a Stern STHLE in Jan of last year? So I bought it from Zach

Total equates to about $45k roughly. I’m thinking no one else is close?

I’m confident Jonathan will make good and you can judge me as a stupid idiot I don’t care . I’ve been around long enough

I was down $194k in my trading account today. I only say that to put in perspective on how I look at it

That said, I expect him to come through and happy that others are receiving payments

My agreement with him is deferred and that’s how I wanted it

That’s not true Erik. Just saying. I know for a fact but I realize the mob will never believe it

Fwiw, I bought an Alien LE from Wayne in Australia last batch. Jonathan agreed I should do that and never solicited $$ from me for the “new game”

No. It was well before then. I do know he took some Alien deposits based based on what was believed at the time and not made up by him. I know this from others involved. The Alien pin was meant to come much sooner. They said it themselves

And I had code changes and saw an iteration of today’s version a long while back.

Don’t recall exactly, it all blurs together and seems like yesterday when we were all whining about the Wozecle delays.

His amusement centers and routes were growing and he added pinball to them. That’s how he got involved I believe. JJP wanted to put games in those locations he had. Common sense

You better get your facts straight on who was involved.

Kim is on the case though. You guys get together and figure it out

Since it affects neither one of you I’m at a loss?

All survivors are getting taken care of

Why that isn’t good enough for some of you is beyond me

I’m an open book. Call me or pm me

And he got paid back fully. Shit happens. I know the MOB hates redemption

Have Jpop people received refunds? F no. I’m one of them.

Heighway. F no. I’m one of them

Asked and answered counselor

Omg

Here is what we know so far.

Beware of the Boogeyman Jonathan!

It’s been over a year now.

But he is gonna get you.

Go back to crapping on Stern for $1k toppers and JJP for raising prices on the LE of GNR

Oh the horror of it all. LMAO

You can’t wear me down.

Interesting. Hadn’t even seen this thread........."LATELY". BECAUSE IT DOENS'T SHOW UP IN MY FORUM FEED.

Happy to hear that you guys have been getting paid back in full. That’s great!

Do I share the same sentiments of Bill and Brian now? No

Jonathan has kept his word since making the repayment agreement, handled everything in a professional way and is in the process of redeeming a previously bad situation

I am his biggest creditor now and he has made excellent progress towards getting me paid back in full as well. And I’m happy with where things stand now.

He’s back to being a friend again and I’m happy that he was able to survive Covid and start the comeback trail with his business and for his family.

That’s just me. Life goes on

I said “Lately” numb nuts. How long ago was that? It still doesn’t show up in my feed for some reason. I have to search for it.

So…..what’s your f ing problem?

I’m getting paid back as his biggest creditor and others have been paid in full.

Does reading comprehension escape you? Lol

What is 2+2? Duh

Explain how I can get this thread in my feed as if it f ing matters. I do know what the “grey heart” means though

I have to search it. Don’t get the “buy” sub for some reason

Now. Do you understand what I just said? Or is that challenging to you and Kim too?

Neither one of you have anything at stake right? Yeah, I got that

Dude, wtf is your problem? Seriously. I got lucky?

I know full well what i've written and said in the past and where things stand today. So does everybody else who has been a part of this.

I'm lmao right now at YOUR pathetic interest in this issue with ZERO at stake. Get a life.

Do you understand the phrase "chump change"? If you don't then look it up.

I starred this thread as one of my "favorites" now. What a joke.

Hey Bill, hope you are doing well!

As you know, I was Jonathan’s biggest creditor at $45k and since you are asking I’d like to report back that I’ve been PAID IN FULL by Jonathan and have been in regular communication the whole time.

I’m happy to see that he was able to come out of Covid and get his business back on track for himself and his family.

It’s kind of amazing really because we all know of so many businesses that didn’t make it.

Now my only negative balance regarding pinball is the $4950 that will forever remain now thanks to Jpop.

Pinball isn’t a really a $$ thing for me. If I was worried about it I guess I could sell any number of games for a huge profit right?

So that’s where the JD issue stands now for me.

Take care