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Paragon Club... the Valley of Demons


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#551 1 year ago
Quoted from tatman9999:

Just joined the club. It in rally nice condition. I am thinking of restoring it. Clear coat playfield.

That’s one of the nicest original examples still around. Nice find! In my opinion, the only thing that needs restoration are the light bulbs. Keep it original. Restoration is for the blown out, marginal machines. Once you start, there’s no going back to the original condition.

#552 1 year ago
Quoted from Pmaino:

Finally got my NOS Kruzman cleared playfield! Going to start my swap soon. Pictures don’t do the playfield Justice.

Do you mind sharing how much that ended up being? I am trying to decide if I want to send out my old play field or get in on the CPR repros.

#553 1 year ago

It is definitely nice. I ordered new plastic set today from Marco at MGC today. I ordered flipper rebuild kits. Couple things I found sling switches were on the wrong side of rubbers. Rubber by drops is on wrong. The left orbit shot could never be made after drop are down because plastic is on wrong.

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#554 1 year ago
Quoted from tatman9999:

The left orbit shot could never be made after drop are down because plastic is on wrong

That clear diverter at the Treasure Chamber appears to be factory correct.

#555 1 year ago
Quoted from zombywoof:

That clear diverter at the Treasure Chamber appears to be factory correct.

So that clear plastic is on right? It just looked backwards and funny to me. Guess I was wrong.

#556 1 year ago

Yes. I think I read that they added it rather late in development to keep the ball from overshooting the saucer.

#557 1 year ago

Does anyone know where I can buy these plastic posts ?

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#558 1 year ago
Quoted from Pmaino:

Does anyone know where I can buy these plastic posts ?

Pinball resource.

#559 1 year ago

Started taking paragon apart today. Need to pop loose inserts out and glue. Will touch up and clear coat after that.

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#560 1 year ago

Got all the Mylar off with out any paint coming off.

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#561 1 year ago

Are you planning on using a decal for the 2 inserts you're replacing?

#562 1 year ago

I am removing all the inserts and glueing. I will sand the inserts and put new decals. Then I will clear it.

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#563 1 year ago

Roll overs inserts are removed. Shooter lane is sanded

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#564 1 year ago

Inserts are glued in. Light coat of auto clear. Will touch up the playfield after first coat. It only need minimal touch ups. Then I will clear and leave. Colors really pop now.

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#565 1 year ago
Quoted from Toads:

Power to the top flipper comes from the EOS switch on the lower flipper so make sure it's adjusted correctly.
Yes it could be the flipper button leaf switch as you say a well.

yeah went back through replaced the flipper leaf switches, not much difference. (still happy I changed it out though.)

Guess it was all in the EOS, I have it to where the second switch makes contact first, a split second before the first switch opens. Then I had to bend it down another 1/4" past where I had it before, before the plunger hit the coil stop. Helped out a lot, still a slight delay, but a world better then it was.

It's hard to perceive the difference in video's, you have to be there in order to see what the deal is.
my only grip is the previous owner installed a playfield protector due to the cupped inserts, that isn't the bad part. There is no way to really raise the drop targets to level them out for the 5x shot. This causes the ball to hit 4 big speed bumps on the way, which makes the shot that much more difficult to make. (cupped inserts or 4 speed bumps hmmmm...) Guess I'm gonna have to make something to raise it a bit.
I'd love to raise the inserts and clear, maybe some day....

#566 1 year ago

I play with cupped inserts, it affects ball travel maybe...10% of the time? And usually on slow, lazy balls (that's what she said). Personally, i don't like playing on pf protectors.

As far as raising the drops, even with the plate on the bottom of the mech, you can't raise the targets enough?

#567 1 year ago
Quoted from FatPanda:

I play with cupped inserts, it affects ball travel maybe...10% of the time? And usually on slow, lazy balls (that's what she said). Personally, i don't like playing on pf protectors.
As far as raising the drops, even with the plate on the bottom of the mech, you can't raise the targets enough?

I’ve been slowly filling mine over the past couple of weeks with water based varathane diamond coat. Slow and tedious process but you end up developing your own technique. I’m near the end of the process with just a few touch ups remaining in some of the largest PARAGON letter inserts in the middle of the playfield. Happy with the way it’s turning out. I don’t feel confident with clear coating so I plan to rewax the whole playfield when I’m done.

#568 1 year ago
Quoted from srcdube:

I’ve been slowly filling mine over the past couple of weeks with water based varathane diamond coat. Slow and tedious process but you end up developing your own technique. I’m near the end of the process with just a few touch ups remaining in some of the largest PARAGON letter inserts in the middle of the playfield. Happy with the way it’s turning out. I don’t feel confident with clear coating so I plan to rewax the whole playfield when I’m done.

I was going to ask if you cared to detail your process, but I'm getting a CPR playfield whenever that comes, and will be doing a pf swap instead I'll just put up with it until then

#569 1 year ago
Quoted from FatPanda:

I was going to ask if you cared to detail your process, but I'm getting a CPR playfield whenever that comes, and will be doing a pf swap instead I'll just put up with it until then

I’m just a bit ocd, so it needed to be fixed... I got the machine last October and just lived with it... minor and didn’t affect play too much like you said. I needed to fix a display and the soundcard first. Once that was done I decided to shop my Spider-man since it’s flippers weren’t as strong as the Paragons. So just getting round to the inserts now. Looked at options on pinside and felt that filling them was in my skill set and price range. I also had one that was popped up a bit on one side so wanted to get that down level as well.

I was more worried about playfield wear around the edges of the cupped inserts than the affect on ball play. I managed to get a machine with minimal playfield wear around the score lights, but could see it was starting. Wanted to at least level it and wax it.

Same as you... maybe a playfield swap in the future. But just in case, I wanted to protect what I had in case it doesn’t happen.

Paragon rocks!

#570 1 year ago
Quoted from tatman9999:

Inserts are glued in. Light coat of auto clear. Will touch up the playfield after first coat. It only need minimal touch ups. Then I will clear and leave. Colors really pop now.

Very nice... wish I had the talent and the tools. Keep us posted! I fix what I can but don’t mind it a little tattered and retro looking (since I am too). Just happy to have one and see what others are doing with theirs. Well done!

#571 1 year ago
Quoted from FatPanda:

I play with cupped inserts, it affects ball travel maybe...10% of the time? And usually on slow, lazy balls (that's what she said). Personally, i don't like playing on pf protectors.
As far as raising the drops, even with the plate on the bottom of the mech, you can't raise the targets enough?

Should be able to, I think. Problem is finding something that is the exact height... or maybe taping a few machine screws into the bottom of the mech to hit the plate for a finer adjustment. Similar to what recent games have.

Think it depends on how bad the inserts are, I know on a lot of EM's they drive me nuts. Might not be as bad in this game.

#572 1 year ago

Inserts are now level. Used a eye dropper to fill insert. Sanded and did 2 more coats of clear. Looks like glass now.

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#573 1 year ago

Buffed all the metal out today

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#574 1 year ago

NICE!

#575 1 year ago

Sure...some of you guys have nice Paragons. But is yours filled with over one hundred PS2 consoles? Didn't think so.

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#576 1 year ago

I saw that. This is one of the strangest things I've ever seen. Used it to smuggle PS2s back in the day?!?! lol

#577 1 year ago
Quoted from tatman9999:

Inserts are now level. Used a eye dropper to fill insert. Sanded and did 2 more coats of clear. Looks like glass now.

Those nail screws for the pops should have been pulled prior to clearing. It could be issues in the future for the clear in that area

#578 1 year ago
Quoted from tdiddy:

Those nail screws for the pops should have been pulled prior to clearing. It could be issues in the future for the clear in that area

Yup, I’ve even had one of those screws break while installing the pops back in, thank goodness I had removed them before clear... fingers crossed for you, tighten slowly by hand, don’t use a power driver

Probably wouldn’t be a bad idea to Dremel the clear off and around those screw heads while you have the chance

#579 1 year ago
Quoted from tatman9999:

Buffed all the metal out today

What’s good for buffing out the metal? I never seem to be able to make a big difference.

#580 1 year ago
Quoted from Chosen_S:

Yup, I’ve even had one of those screws break while installing the pops back in, thank goodness I had removed them before clear... fingers crossed for you, tighten slowly by hand, don’t use a power driver
Probably wouldn’t be a bad idea to Dremel the clear off and around those screw heads while you have the chance

Thanks I will Dremel the clear away before I put it together.

#581 1 year ago
Quoted from srcdube:

What’s good for buffing out the metal? I never seem to be able to make a big difference.

I clean every thing with a heated ultrasonic clear from harbor fright, then I buff it with green compound and a buffer.

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#582 1 year ago
Quoted from tatman9999:

Pinball resource.

Out of stock at PBR. If you soak those in bleach for a week they'll be as white as new.

#583 1 year ago

Some of the PARAGON letter inserts are really crooked, especially the 'R' insert.

Jody

#584 1 year ago
Quoted from tandem2:

Some of the PARAGON letter inserts are really crooked, especially the 'R' insert.
Jody

“Crooked” as in rotated, or not flat? If it’s rotated the glue may just have dried out and you can rotate it back and glue again.

One of my cupped inserts was not flat and an edge was higher then the playfield a bit. Glue only came undone along one edge. Bad bad bad... starts chipping the edge of the plastic insert. I needed to soften up the remaining glue and epoxy it back down before filling the cupping.

#585 1 year ago

Yes, rotated, here’s a comparison.

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#586 1 year ago
Quoted from srcdube:

What’s good for buffing out the metal? I never seem to be able to make a big difference.

I have a grinder that I took the grinding disc off of and put a buffing wheel on, then use either gray or green compound depending on the finish I need to achieve

#587 1 year ago

What do you think of clear color pop bumper body’s?

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#588 1 year ago
Quoted from tatman9999:

What do you think of clear color pop bumper body’s?

That’s crazy talk!

But then again I’ve got to fix the paint on my valley of demons dropdowns and I’m thinking about colouring them in, instead of just black on white... once it’s your machine, you do what makes you feel good (unless you may be selling in the future to some diehard purist... keep the original parts at least).

It’s probably somewhere in this site as well but I remember seeing some years ago that someone painted the bikini off of the balcony princess.... shameless !!!

#589 1 year ago
Quoted from tatman9999:

What do you think of clear color pop bumper body’s?

I think that would be better suited for a more modern game as opposed to a classic SS like Paragon, plus with the caps, might be too stark of a contrast.

#590 1 year ago
Quoted from tatman9999:

What do you think of clear color pop bumper body’s?

I'm interested to see how they will look once installed.

#591 1 year ago
Quoted from Captive_Ball:

I'm interested to see how they will look once installed.

I have them on my earth shaker, they look great. But honestly I hardly notice them

#592 1 year ago

I joined the club yesterday......

Got all the feature lights working today after some repair work on the LD board.

Anybody know where the heck these Butterscotch colored Paragon Bumper caps came from? All the flyers show White caps as well as every game I have looked at pictures of...... But this game has 4 really nice butterscotch colored caps on it??? & no they are not faded etc, these are definitely made in this color.... Weird, but I actually like them a lot better than white. The white ones seems to stand out too much.

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#593 1 year ago
Quoted from WeatherbyMAG:

I joined the club yesterday......
Got all the feature lights working today after some repair work on the LD board.
Anybody know where the heck these Butterscotch colored Paragon Bumper caps came from? All the flyers show White caps as well as every game I have looked at pictures of...... But this game has 4 really nice butterscotch colored caps on it??? & no they are not faded etc, these are definitely made in this color.... Weird, but I actually like them a lot better than white. The white ones seems to stand out too much.

They’re faded , I’ve had 3 paragons. All of he pops were like that

#594 1 year ago

Yeah. Mine are discolored like that as well, although not quite as dark as those photos present. I think it is the continuous exposure and heat from the lightbulb that causes it. The varying degrees of discolorization would seem to support this.

#595 1 year ago

All together .

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#596 1 year ago

looks really good, wish I had the motivation to go that far with mine.
did you use the newer style flippers? they look narrow near the tip, maybe that's just my eyes.

#597 1 year ago

It does look great....flipper bats look narrow to me as well.

I had gone with navy blue Titans on mine with light blue Titans/blue finned posts in the waterfall area.

The clear ones also look real nice.

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#598 1 year ago

Yes I ordered the wrong flipper bats. I will switch them out when the new one come.

#599 1 year ago

all this early SS stuff is still relatively new to me.
one other thing that seemed odd to me was when the ball comes down on the flipper with any force and your holding the flipper up it has a tendency to push the flipper down and flip the ball back up after the magnet force re-engages with the plunger. as if the coil didn't have enough strength to keep the flipper in the hold position. Is this normal behavior for this style of game? all three main flippers do this so I'm thinking its normal maybe? I've played early SS's enough but don't remember this really being a thing.

I know the castle shot on game of thrones can do this to the right flipper (at least push it down). That's coming at it with a lot of force, and near the end of the flipper so I'd expect that to happen.

#600 1 year ago
Quoted from hocuslocus:

all this early SS stuff is still relatively new to me.
one other thing that seemed odd to me was when the ball comes down on the flipper with any force and your holding the flipper up it has a tendency to push the flipper down and flip the ball back up after the magnet force re-engages with the plunger. as if the coil didn't have enough strength to keep the flipper in the hold position. Is this normal behavior for this style of game? all three main flippers do this so I'm thinking its normal maybe? I've played early SS's enough but don't remember this really being a thing.
I know the castle shot on game of thrones can do this to the right flipper (at least push it down). That's coming at it with a lot of force, and near the end of the flipper so I'd expect that to happen.

I can almost guarantee you that it's the coil stops.

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